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Sad stuff. Watch ANGLE on Peacock or Painkillers in Netflix. Might change perspective a little. Maybe I'm wrong but I was under impression his career started the downward spiral following injuries> pain meds.
You can be an addict without stealing, beating, kidnapping etc. He has repeatedly made choices that hurt others for his own benefit. For over a decade now.
Man I get what you're trying to say, but trust those of us who have REAL exposure to the raw and real side of this....
I've dealt with many addicts who would never hurt a fly, loaded or not. I've dealt with stone cold sober people who are full of evil and hate.
His PATTERN of behavior is definitely somewhat guided by the addictions, but it's a base problem with him when this path is all he seems to know how to follow.
Some Netflix documentary isn't a true window into that world, trust me. If your perspective is based on a show that was created mainly for entertainment, then you don't have real perspective. He's made these choices over and over and over.
I couldn't tell you because I've never been one. I don't think anyone who hasn't been there can truly understand it. I don't understand alcoholics either but I enjoy a few cocktails from time to time.
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That's too smart for this group
The pain killers are what sent him down this path. I felt bad when it all started, he was a mess looking for help, got ignored and then discovered heroine.
Ouchy
My cousin stole pain medications from his father dying of cancer. Is that real? Again, I'm no expert. Unfortunately it'll be a fight Izzi will have until the end. Not defending his character, never met the guy. Just my perspective on these athletes that never saw it coming.
Yeah I get that's real, and it sucks your cousin did that. You think that medication would make him kidnap someone, endanger a child, and also beat an elderly woman along the way?
Every single addict and person is different, so I'm not pretending to know his exact situation and path, but like I said before the PATTERN is what the problem is. This isn't a single drug-induced event.
The point to me is he keeps getting treated with kid gloves when he "recovers" enough to slither back into the moto world. Ends up on a podcast where those of us with exposure to this world could tell immediately he wasn't recovered.
Is he beyond recovery? No. Is it likely? Also no.
Nico needs an Aldon Baker level life coach. Guys bitch about Aldon and his strict diet and training methods but they usually have success,
Well,... Nico needs someone like Aldon who calls or meets with him every day to make sure he is on the strait and narrow. Someone who gives him structure, a plan to go about every day to limit the temptation to get high.
Will power doesn't work when your drug of choice is so enjoyable when you are high. You think about that relaxing feeling every moment until you fulfill it.
I hope he finds his moment of clarity sooner then later.
Robert Downey Jr is an example of someone who made the change, and you can see it in his eyes that he's incredibly grateful for the life he has, and the people in his life who didn't give up on him or consider him a worthless pile of crap. One of those people is his friend, Mel Gibson, who gave him another chance.
Drug addiction is not simply a lack of willpower. It's a compulsion. It's far more complicated.
I've seen people steal from their friends (me), and feel incredibly ashamed for it later, not just because they got caught, but because they genuinely felt ashamed of what they did.
I have close family members who've dealt with addiction most of their lives, decades, and once their lives are in ruin, they simply don't believe they can make it back to normalcy.
The best you can do is encourage, but not lecture them, and to treat them as worthwhile human beings, with respect for the things they do right.
They'll change when they're ready. You can't force it.
I don't excuse their bad behavior, but I also don't write them off.
They are people. People with a serious problem. I've had several tell me "Do you think I want to be an addict?".
Before you condemn addicts, know that it can hit anyone, at any level of society, in any profession, at any time of life.
If you're blessed to not have anyone close to you dealing with addiction, count your blessings.
I hope, and pray to God that no one you love has to deal with this.
Unfortunately, drugs have cost me countless years of heartache, and I don't even do drugs.
As far as I can know, I've done what's best for my loved ones. I don't say this to brag, or for sympathy, but know that addiction is not simple, and the addicts suffer more than you know. They know where they're screwing up, and most of them feel ashamed, and worthless because of it. It doesn't help anyone for us to pile it on, and lecture them. It simply doesn't.
An addict doesn't have to hit rock bottom before they change. I've seen addicts hit rock bottom, then find a level even below that, and keep using. Stupid? Yes. Is it enough to change permanently? Sometimes. Sometimes they keep going and die.
As for Izzi and his motorcycle racing career: I could care less if he ever races again.
If racing dirt bikes helps him find his way, then great! I hope he makes the changes, makes things right with those he's hurt, and never looks back.
Robert Downey, Jr is one example. Ray Charles is another. It can be done.
I hope one day he has that same look of gratefulness that Robert Downey, Jr has.
I know the odds. And I know it happens.
Drugs freaking suck!
It didn’t work well for an acquaintance in WI that tried to help him 5 or so years ago that let him live on his property….
Exactly, lol .swaps stuff would be sold
I could be wrong but I think those are not new charges. I cut ties with best friends out of high-school that became addicts. We all did all the recreational drugs in high-school but just a few became real druggies after and those few either died or moved away because it would be hard to be a junkie or even a homeless person here. The cops and courts are different here. Not only meaner than any other ive witnessed but also very corrupt and they prosecute to the fullest and don't baby anyone so that does mean it's still really nice here but don't be a criminal because there is no mercy unlike a lot of the country.
respectfully disagree; you could take a slacker with talent and drop him off at the Baker's Factory...they'd still be a slacker (and Aldon would show them the door quickly). No amount of life coaching can help someone who has no will to improve or be better at the small stuff. I suppose that's what people refer to as "rock bottom", but obviously Izzi hasn't hit his (or simply lacks the self honesty to face the harsh reality and begin making small changes). As Nathaniel has very rightly pointed out, there is something fundamentally wrong with his life choices and moral code than simple drug use that is driving him to exploit and abuse other people who get in his way. Definitely some very sociopathic tendencies...sad to watch....
I have a ton of respect for Mitch and Roger but they are very old school mentality guys. They looked at Stroupe and Izzi and said that's your own demon you need to figure it out on your own and washed their hands of them. I can see why they would have that attitude after seeing so many other people end up in the place no matter what you do. Drugs suck.
If he was looking for help, he could have found it. Why is when pain killers/drugs/alcohol are involved someone should just be allowed to do whatever they want including violent crimes and all is forgiven.....because it was the drugs fault? It sucks yes, but it's on him and the way people gave him bikes, had him on podcasts (for views and clicks not because they actually care), and acted like he was all good is ridiculous. He should have been given a job and held accountable to be straight if those people really cared. Not to mention he was in jail long enough where the "addiction" likely would have been gone. He made the CHOICE to pull this stuff for the untold number of times and he is back where he belongs.....and you and I are paying for it.
This guy is just straight head hunting people in this thread but has reading comprehension of a new born. Lol I love watching people make complete asses of themselves! Keep it up my guy you’re doing great!
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Amen ! I really never grasped it and just thought " bunch of damn losers" My gal lost her son 4 years ago to the demons. He was good kid, never hurt a fly, but the H got him even though family did all they could do to help...multiple rehabs, etc. When you see first hand just how devastating it is to the family and loved ones, it gives you a different perspective.
Cruelty to children? There’s scum and then there’s this loser. Time to lock him up and throw away the key🤬
He did look for help from the people he thought had his best interest in mind, they fed him more and told him he needed to deal with it and ride.
Then, those same people took the bikes away, and stopped getting him pain killers and told him good luck. He was an 19 year old with zero help and direction, and the wrong people fed on him because he had money.
I’ve got no excuses for him after that, it’s a shitty deal all the way around, and it made me lose a lot of respect for some industry leaders.
But hey, I’m sure you know the whole story, so just keep on posting what you think of him.
It was a lot more than just them, it was deep in the whole system at that time. I think people would shit if they knew how many people in the industry were hooked from 95-2005ish.
The incident occurred August 7, 2023.
Regarding the criminal justice system in GA, Izzi had prior convictions in GA for drug offenses, shoplifting and burglary. The burglary was a 1st degree felony and he received no jail time. Now he allegedly roughed up a woman on crutches in front of a kid, and it appears the prosecutors dropped the kidnapping, 2 counts of battery and 2 counts of cruelty to children, and allowed him to plead guilty to simple disorderly conduct. Mind you, this is just one State he also has rap sheets in WI, MI, AR and CA including a conviction where the female victim had a broken nose, broken ribs, ruptured eardrums and lacerations.
I do not believe the 12 month sentence agreed to by the prosecution and approved by the judge is sufficient to deter future criminal behavior. That doesn't help Izzi or his future victims.
All of this is the drugs fault, not poor Nico!!
Fuck this demon. The Izzi you guys saw on Suzuki's in the 00’s is long, long gone.
Josh Hill went through a year plus of extreme pain from compartment syndrome after following the extreme leg break we all saw from the backflip gone wrong. He developed an addiction and saw where it was taking him. He checked himself into a hotel in Orange County and locked himself in there to detox from the drugs and get his mind right. During those days he thought he was going to die in the hotel room.
He knew he couldn't build his life around the pills and decided to take control of the path he was on. He still deals with extreme pain from that injury but has learned to live with it. As you can see, he is riding at a high level despite having little feeling in the leg/foot and muscle atrophy. Josh is a really good person and knew he was headed in the wrong direction. He made the CHOICE to not go down the wrong path.
Certainly some of it is the drugs fault.
Saying "all of it is the drugs fault" while also saying Josh Hill "made the CHOICE to not go down the wrong path" is a pretty weird mixed message dude, I'm struggling to follow what you're trying to say. I'm not arguing and props to Josh for what he's done in every aspect of his life and riding.
It's sad to see anyone end up this way but by the time you're battering old ladies, or decking some other woman in front of her kids, or robbing and stealing from people who try to help or support you, the lion's share of the sympathy shifts to the victims of those crimes.
It sucks for everyone, Izzi included, addiction is brutal, but the shit he's done is far from ok even under the influence.
Preach it brother. Know first hand how much pain killers they'll feed kids just to get them on the field. Soon as kids eligibility is up....cut off....cold turkey....care to guess what many kids turn to when they quit feeding them pain meds like M&M's ?
You completely missed the sarcasm in the first sentence.
Funny how many people just crucify the addict and not the pushers that got him hooked.
My general philosophy is "Handle your business." I don't care the recreational drugs or drinking you do but once it starts effecting work and family you better check yourself. However, it has been proven that these pharmaceutical companies (and most doctors) knew they were pushing addictive poison on unsuspecting patients. I'm also not a big lawsuit guy but these companies need to be sued till they can't see straight. Pure efffing evil.
Glad to hear it man, my bad 👍 Every time threads like this show up there are some weeeird takes, guess I can't tell the difference sometimes.
I agree with everything you said past the joke that went over my head though.
Nope. I don't know the whole story. If he did ask for help when he was 19 and people close to him didn't respond, then that sucks and they should feel like shit.
However, his history since then is not excused because he asked for help 15 years ago and like I said he was in jail long enough where the addiction would be behind him....so he made the choice to continue to be a criminal.
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