Should the MXDN go to a bi-yearly format?

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Why the USA are the only team that has a problem sending their best.

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vrossi wrote:

It should be every year, and the pride and prise money for the winning team should be sky high I’ll bet there are no complaints then 

Boomslang wrote:
There needs to be good prize money. This is how the riders earn a living. If my boss asked me to travel across the world for...

There needs to be good prize money. This is how the riders earn a living.

If my boss asked me to travel across the world for work but no pay during my holiday then I ain't going to be happy. Especially the USA dudes, they need to take a break before SX boot camp starts. The Euros have plenty of time before their season starts.

All pro riders need proper compensation each time they line up. Also important to remember the grind and risk that these guys go through. Every gate drop could be their last.

I know I mend  there should be special prize money for country’s podium riders to make it more worth it. From the looks of it there is no bigger money event then Mxon like same prize money as when you become world champion SX don’t know how much but quess it’s allot 

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Sure, and on the off years we could do a trans only, electric bike MXdN.

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B Gotti wrote:

Why the USA are the only team that has a problem sending their best.

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

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SPYGUY wrote:
The AMA season is a grind. 31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023. 13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round. 22...

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

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Like the Ryder Cup ev 2 years.... makes the event feel more a lil more special, might become more desirable to the riders as well.

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SPYGUY wrote:
The AMA season is a grind. 31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023. 13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round. 22...

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

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You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA racing.

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10/15/2023 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2023 9:13pm
SPYGUY wrote:
The AMA season is a grind. 31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023. 13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round. 22...

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

Screenshot 20231015-205839.png?VersionId=dSevnjPzxw

SPYGUY wrote:
You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA...

You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA racing.

Did you miss where the GP guys do five more hours of racing than the ama guys, without those races?

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10/15/2023 11:39pm
B Gotti wrote:

Why the USA are the only team that has a problem sending their best.

SPYGUY wrote:
The AMA season is a grind. 31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023. 13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round. 22...

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

Didn't hear anyone complaining when they added races to the season for SMX.

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10/15/2023 11:48pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2023 11:48pm

I can't imagine how anyone is asking this question after watching all of the footage from Ernée.

The obvious answer is hell no, it should always be a yearly event. 

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vrossi wrote:

It should be every year, and the pride and prise money for the winning team should be sky high I’ll bet there are no complaints then 

Boomslang wrote:
There needs to be good prize money. This is how the riders earn a living. If my boss asked me to travel across the world for...

There needs to be good prize money. This is how the riders earn a living.

If my boss asked me to travel across the world for work but no pay during my holiday then I ain't going to be happy. Especially the USA dudes, they need to take a break before SX boot camp starts. The Euros have plenty of time before their season starts.

All pro riders need proper compensation each time they line up. Also important to remember the grind and risk that these guys go through. Every gate drop could be their last.

Most of the riders make their money from salaries and gear contracts.  Some who actually win or podium make some win bonuses.  Purse payouts are miniscule, although SMX has changed that.  No one makes money from just appearing at a race, so that argument holds no water.  One more race makes no difference to the riders financially.

These guys have chosen to make their living from a recreational pursuit.  The grind/risk and whatever else is fully voluntary; they can choose to do something else if it's too hard.

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SPYGUY wrote:
The AMA season is a grind. 31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023. 13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round. 22...

The AMA season is a grind.

31 AMA races vs 19 MXGP Races in 2023.

13 weeks from 2023 MXDN until 2024 SX opening round.

22 weeks from 2023 MXdN to 2024 opening round.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

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Don‘t post facts here!!!!You forgot to mention the preseason and national races.

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Held every year for 76 years from 1947 to 2023 and you want it cut back to every 2 - 4 years ….. AHHHH NO.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

So is MXGP. And the following doesn't include the other championships some of the Euros compete in (Dutch Maters, French Championship, etc.)

Screenshot 20231015-205839.png?VersionId=dSevnjPzxw

SPYGUY wrote:
You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA...

You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA racing.

CPR wrote:

Did you miss where the GP guys do five more hours of racing than the ama guys, without those races?

It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing.

 

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B Gotti wrote:

Why the USA are the only team that has a problem sending their best.

after all the excuses, inventions, tactics and pure bullshit that is widespread all over this forum, your simple question is briliant  because it is the hole argument in itself......why only the usa ???????

i will answer you with a very simple answer also, because from the beginning it was always a very simple argument ....... sore losers !!!!!!!!!! 

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SPYGUY wrote:
You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA...

You're right, adding in some Dutch Masters races is just as stressful and pressure-filled for the top factory riders as 9 months of top level AMA racing.

CPR wrote:

Did you miss where the GP guys do five more hours of racing than the ama guys, without those races?

SPYGUY wrote:
It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing...

It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing.

 

Travel you say?

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CPR wrote:

Did you miss where the GP guys do five more hours of racing than the ama guys, without those races?

SPYGUY wrote:
It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing...

It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing.

 

CPR wrote:
Travel you say?

Travel you say?

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Ya'll win.

The AMA guys have it easy. None of the riders or team staff have any issues with burnout.

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SPYGUY wrote:
It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing...

It's the travel, stress and pressure from an unrelenting schedule that stretches from early January through September that is the grind. Not the minutes spent racing.

 

CPR wrote:
Travel you say?

Travel you say?

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SPYGUY wrote:

Ya'll win.

The AMA guys have it easy. None of the riders or team staff have any issues with burnout.

No one is saying that the AMA SX/MX schedule is easy, but it’s a commonly said that it’s massively more difficult than the schedule of an MXGP rider, that simply isn’t true, both are extremely tough and gruelling for different reasons. 
 

Obviously there are more events in the AMA schedule but every MXGP is a 2 day event with way more riding than you would do at Supercross. You do have to travel more often in the US but there’s no 30+ hours each way trips to Argentina or 10 days in Indonesia. 
 

 

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CPR wrote:
Travel you say?

Travel you say?

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SPYGUY wrote:

Ya'll win.

The AMA guys have it easy. None of the riders or team staff have any issues with burnout.

RG437 wrote:
No one is saying that the AMA SX/MX schedule is easy, but it’s a commonly said that it’s massively more difficult than the schedule of an...

No one is saying that the AMA SX/MX schedule is easy, but it’s a commonly said that it’s massively more difficult than the schedule of an MXGP rider, that simply isn’t true, both are extremely tough and gruelling for different reasons. 
 

Obviously there are more events in the AMA schedule but every MXGP is a 2 day event with way more riding than you would do at Supercross. You do have to travel more often in the US but there’s no 30+ hours each way trips to Argentina or 10 days in Indonesia. 
 

 

I agree with Spyguy on this one. And I do get that the MXGP season is also a grind, but they sometimes have 2 and 3 weeks between races, the AMA guys get 1 weekend off in SX then what, 2 or 3 in MX, maybe 1 week to SMX, then MXON. And while the MXGP guys spend more time on a race track, I would argue that the stress and risk of SX is an entirely different animal, not to mention that 1000's of laps spent on the SX tracks in boot camp then during the season. The MXGP guys have 2 major goals, their World title and the MXON for those that are lucky enough to get selected. The AMA guys go from the extreme focus and risk of SX right into MX, right into now SMX, then to the MXON. AP's second moto ride represented hitting a 50 foot fucking wall-he was DONE! Can't blame the lad he did his best.

As for the original question that the OP asked, I am in favour of holding the race every 2nd year. Times and schedules and demands and risks have changed substantially over the years. I think if the event was held every 2nd year guys would want to race it that much more and every country would have no trouble getting the best guys, because there are fewer opportunities over a career to do so. It is also extremely expensive for everyone. The Ryder Cup guys on both sides of the pond spend 2 years trying to get on their respective teams! This is what we should be creating!

And finally, teams should be getting paid a substantial amount of money for a good showing. The fact that teams and individuals help to raise 10's of thousands of dollars to race with very little coming back to them is a fucking joke. There would be no cash cow of countries decided not to go. Maybe that is what it will take.

 

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Nope. MX career so too short to slimming down the window for riders to represent their flag.

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americans keep bitching about the money of MXdN, trying to take away from the greatness of the race and using it as an excuse to not race it when it is raced outside USA, when it is at their country it all goes miracly free !!!!

but there are more miracle stuff, Feld holds 17 races of supercross each year, and it is well known that it is the series where the money is, the motocross series has become a privatier show these days, or just a way to get in smx if supercross didnt went well, biggest name riders all go sx only at some point, even some europeans dream of racing ama sx. Atendence,ppv tv, publicity, merchandising, etc, and it is seen worldwide, so it all must go into the millions, 17 times !!!!!!

it must be someting like that miracle of free racind again, cuz i dont see any americam bitching about the few couples of thousand dollars Feld gives back from the millions it makes every race..... Then wsx was announced and Feld got spooked, so they went in the pockets and did what monster energy had been doing, one million dollar race, but to keep those miracles up, they did a 3 races million dollars, more races/same money.....

still i dont see any american bitching about the huge amount of money Feld makes every year by running the richest series in the world, raced by the richest dirt bike industry in the world........it must be those miracules

so, Infront and the MXdN must start to give money away to the us team, when the race is not in usa !!!!, or else they will be out of the 8th place team...........or they can always learn how to do those miracles !!!!!!!!!

 

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No. The issue with the MXdN in relation to US participation has nothing to do with It being scheduled annually.

The main issue has to do with planning starting with the governing body, then going out to all the teams, and then to riders. I think this should be done immediately so that the largest pool of riders that wanna go can be counted. Then, any fundraising activities to lessen the burden on the riders and the teams can start NOW.

This year's planning was the worst ever. 

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rileymx wrote:
americans keep bitching about the money of MXdN, trying to take away from the greatness of the race and using it as an excuse to not...

americans keep bitching about the money of MXdN, trying to take away from the greatness of the race and using it as an excuse to not race it when it is raced outside USA, when it is at their country it all goes miracly free !!!!

but there are more miracle stuff, Feld holds 17 races of supercross each year, and it is well known that it is the series where the money is, the motocross series has become a privatier show these days, or just a way to get in smx if supercross didnt went well, biggest name riders all go sx only at some point, even some europeans dream of racing ama sx. Atendence,ppv tv, publicity, merchandising, etc, and it is seen worldwide, so it all must go into the millions, 17 times !!!!!!

it must be someting like that miracle of free racind again, cuz i dont see any americam bitching about the few couples of thousand dollars Feld gives back from the millions it makes every race..... Then wsx was announced and Feld got spooked, so they went in the pockets and did what monster energy had been doing, one million dollar race, but to keep those miracles up, they did a 3 races million dollars, more races/same money.....

still i dont see any american bitching about the huge amount of money Feld makes every year by running the richest series in the world, raced by the richest dirt bike industry in the world........it must be those miracules

so, Infront and the MXdN must start to give money away to the us team, when the race is not in usa !!!!, or else they will be out of the 8th place team...........or they can always learn how to do those miracles !!!!!!!!!

 

You sure seem upset about others decisions. The race will go on, ironic you talk shit about the usa but get mad when people dont do what YOU want. 

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