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Looks like this property houses the transmission lines from the Grand Coullee dam to the substation. These may be the only transmission lines that service Spokane from the dam, but I could be wrong.
Satelite view is interesting. You can see the sub station, power lines and what looks like some trails in the area.
I seem to remember last year there was a rash of vandalism at sub stations around the northwest. I assume guys using the transformers for target practice. For a spell they were wondering if it was coordinated and a form of domestic terrorism. Just going off memory.
I'm not saying at all that that's what the guys were doing, but it does explain heightened security. In fact, ever since 9/11, the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers got a LOT MORE SECURE. High powered cameras, guard stations, restricting the public from viewing fish ladders, boat locks and driving over the dams like a bridge. It really sucks to be honest.
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What the fuck is wrong with people? Was it justified to shoot someone dead over a dispute? Was the guy who got shot overly aggressive? I really dislike the times we live in.
Is this how the 2nd ammendment is supposed to work?
I doesnt sound like they were shot simply for riding their dirt bikes illegally on private property... From the KREM article, a physical altercation started between one of the riders and a security guard, then a 2nd rider got involved in the altercation. I know we shouldn't speculate, but if I had to guess, sounds like the security guard grabbed the kid and then the dad got involved.
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This is why it’s better to just avoid confrontation. Your life isn’t worth your ego.
Shot forTrespassing - Not justified. If the trail/ track is there and has been there Farmer J, it's not yours, even if you buy the land !!!
Shot for Physical Altercation - Always justified.
Actually, U.S. Citizens NEVER really own their land, so how could a Power Company. Appears there are plenty of good riding around that area.
i agree HOWEVER tread lightly it seems the biker boys / bikelife / chino are highly protected / coveted here , seen a few posts clipped over that.
I was really hoping we wouldn't start dissecting and debating to respect the fallen man.
This was not an interaction between 2 private citizens.
This was a law enforcement encounter between a Federal Agent protecting Federal restricted land and 2 private citizens trespassing upon that land without authorization.
While we do not know all the facts, we do know that much and we do know that 2 private citizens became engaged in a physical fight with a federal law enforcement official who was legally protecting federal land when he apparently contacted them about their illegal trespassing upon that federal land. Draw your own conclusions from there, but logic dictates that when you are caught trespassing by a federal agent on restricted land you probably should not contest and get into a fight with that federal agent.
I'm sorry for asking but it just appears so unnecessary and unfortunate for the dude who got shot. It find it disturbing and feel pain for his family. May he RIP...
agreed, federal land will be protected by a federal officer, not a rent a cop. We have nearby trails where I grew up riding on. Because it was on federal land, Miramar navel base stated patrolling it and arresting us all, and not with a smile. Getting thrown in the brig and pushed around. Running from them was not an option. I am guessing getting into a physical confrontation would possibly also end badly. Those guys don't fuck around. Just sayin
Not a second amendment issue necessarily, but getting in a fiight with a guy with a gun is the kind of behavior that's supposed to be discouraged when people say an armed society is a polite society.
The federal government has been taken over by communists. They will kill you without hesitation. Avoid any interaction with the Feds at all costs.
It is incredible to me people posting here apparently cannot read. This was not farmer Bob kicking them off his land by shooting them and has zero to do with the 2nd amendment. This is on federal land and the "guard" was a federal agent.
How in the hell do you get into a physical altercation with a federal agent or any law enforcement? I don't know, but it will not end well. I highly doubt the agent just shot them for riding dirt bikes.
I have no idea what actually happened and we never will, but just trying to share this is not a gun ownership issue or citizen dispute.
Bingo.
Two guys get in a physical altercation with an armed federal security guard. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I used to get harassed by cops for riding where I shouldn’t be quite a bit back in the day. I always ran from them, not toward them.
Federal government uses contractors for security all the time.
And some places hire police for extra $$ and security in certain spots. Plenty police depts let their officers work security for extra $$
Sorry, can someone explain what makes a federal agent so special? Are they not the same as law enforcement?
I'm from Africa so forgive me.
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Agreed. Let's also consider the federal agent's position. Joe Blow fed agent is tasked with guarding an important piece of infrastructure. A couple of folks ride up on dirt bikes, and he confronts them. Things get physical when the rider acts like a hard guy in front of his son. The agent, who is carrying, considers what could happen if the rider immobilizes him with Jiu Jitsu, a left hook or any other aggressive action and takes his gun. One of the burdens of being armed is wrestling with the idea that if your gun isn't used quickly enough, it could be used on you. Especially out in the middle of nowhere. The other side of it is using it too quickly.
This scenario is pure speculation but it's no different than you dudes saying the agent just gunned him down without cause. Either way, RIP brother.
If they're attacking my son, I'm going to protect him, even if it costs me my life.
Resolving issues without violence should always be the first goal, but mess with someone's kid, there's going to be trouble.
We need to see details on what happened. It's possible the victim and his son handled the interaction poorly, but it could also turn out that the security guard is at fault. If he is, I could give a F whether he's a federal agent. He needs to be held accountable.
The rules of engagement in this country should be equal for everyone, whether or not they're in law enforcement.
If it's not right for a citizen to shoot someone, it should not be OK for law enforcement to shoot someone in that exact same situation.
Before looking at google maps I was picturing a bunch of vast forestry land but that's not the case, this property is actually in town. It's a few flat lots in an industrial area with several turn tracks located around the property. Before knowing it was a federal agent on federal property I would have pictured the riders possibly trying to run from a rent-a-cop out in the boonies which always results in tempers flaring. A lot of us have done this. One time a big group of us ran and then found the ranger and sheriff waiting at our trucks when we got back. They were understandably pissed and gave us all tickets/fines.
But looking at this property I don't think anyone would try to run as it's a very small piece of property. Without a rent-a-cop being involved, not sure how a rider would get into an altercation with a Federal Agent.
Would you take a child on private property? And if approached by police,security etc, refuse to cooperate? Knowing you dont belong there?
In the article tagged in Josh42 post, it' states, "Witnesses to the altercation....." How many witnesses are they talking about? Are these more feds, or other dirt bike riders, riding in what the satellite photo shows as a pretty common place to ride.
not disagreeing with you, but, the protocols are different. Federal laws apply while on duty on their watch.
Quit talking like this" child" was 5 years old. Must have been big enough and old enough to throw down.
Naw man its the cool.thing now to confront people instead of making stuff simple. Knowing you are already wrong.
Vital has a bunch of crime scene investigators, none of which have access to the crime scene, and have almost no facts regarding the case.
It's funny how some of the footage shows gates and razorwire, but also this shot which looks pretty open to me.
You can see the little trail they have laid out...probably tracks from the last lap the guy and his son did.
How many of us have ridden for God knows how long in a place like this???
From the picture of the son riding, he appears to be at least a teenager. I hate this happened to a fellow rider, but two on one isn't cool either. RIP
The incident happened in a parking lot. The guard pulled them over and the incident occured. The bike was in the truck, not sure if they just got done riding.
Son is 18.
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