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9/11/2023 9:42pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 9:43pm
RG437 wrote:
I don’t think Kawi will work with DeCoster given that he is a KTM guy and in their eyes KTM screwed them out of a SX...

I don’t think Kawi will work with DeCoster given that he is a KTM guy and in their eyes KTM screwed them out of a SX title in 2017

Herr Lich wrote:
Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of...

Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of the 2017 SX title when Marv 'let' Dungey 'bye'? 

If this is the case: 1. It's very immature - what a bunch of babies. 2. Take responsibility for your rider's performance - Tomac screwed himself out of a title by his weirdo crashes and slow restarts - notably Rutherford NJ SX.  3. I realise Kawasaki USA is its own entity, but presumably Kawasaki Japan has sway over it?  If so, I also presume Japan also sees MXON as a positive marketing platform and should direct Kawi USA to pull its head in and stop being a bunch of whingers. 

mxb2 wrote:

Babies,  ironic. Lol.    

It's not ironic, because in this case it's not babyish to call someone else a baby. Are you claiming that Kawasaki is acting in an adult fashion? 

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I'll be happy to spend yours, what's you credit card number?

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly, you proved my point. 

Happy to help, now send money!

Send your $$ to send a rider ,since it upsets you that much. 

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Herr Lich wrote:
Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of...

Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of the 2017 SX title when Marv 'let' Dungey 'bye'? 

If this is the case: 1. It's very immature - what a bunch of babies. 2. Take responsibility for your rider's performance - Tomac screwed himself out of a title by his weirdo crashes and slow restarts - notably Rutherford NJ SX.  3. I realise Kawasaki USA is its own entity, but presumably Kawasaki Japan has sway over it?  If so, I also presume Japan also sees MXON as a positive marketing platform and should direct Kawi USA to pull its head in and stop being a bunch of whingers. 

mxb2 wrote:

Babies,  ironic. Lol.    

Herr Lich wrote:
It's not ironic, because in this case it's not babyish to call someone else a baby. Are you claiming that Kawasaki is acting in an adult...

It's not ironic, because in this case it's not babyish to call someone else a baby. Are you claiming that Kawasaki is acting in an adult fashion? 

I am claiming you are acting like a baby that doesnt get your way.  Are you actually going to the race,what do you have vested in the usa team.? You seem pretty mad that someone isnt doing what you want. 

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9/11/2023 9:48pm
Paul333 wrote:

Based on what? Who has ever said this? 

Sounds like BS. 

from racerhead 

from racerhead 

rx

Herr Lich wrote:
When was this from zookrider?  Look at Racer X pussyfooting around the issue -  'appears to be some reluctance'.  If they know the real reason as...

When was this from zookrider?  Look at Racer X pussyfooting around the issue -  'appears to be some reluctance'.  If they know the real reason as they know doubt do (even 'tards seem to) why not state it?  Oh, I'll do it for them:

...and a refusal to work closely with Team USA Manage Roger De Coster because of Kawasaki's claim that Marvin Musguin let Ryan Dungey past during a SX race in 2017.  Kawasaki management believes this maneuver cost Eli Tomac the SX title that year. 

Tomac's multiple crashing during the 2017 season played no part in him losing!

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9/11/2023 9:51pm
mxb2 wrote:

Exactly, you proved my point. 

Happy to help, now send money!

mxb2 wrote:

Send your $$ to send a rider ,since it upsets you that much. 

No way, "the sport" for me is riding my own bike, at local tracks, not donating to pro riders in another country!

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Happy to help, now send money!

mxb2 wrote:

Send your $$ to send a rider ,since it upsets you that much. 

No way, "the sport" for me is riding my own bike, at local tracks, not donating to pro riders in another country!

Exactly, so let the teams spend their own $$ the way they want.  

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9/11/2023 10:00pm
mxb2 wrote:

Send your $$ to send a rider ,since it upsets you that much. 

No way, "the sport" for me is riding my own bike, at local tracks, not donating to pro riders in another country!

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly, so let the teams spend their own $$ the way they want.  

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out of pocket, and people don't need to donate for the US to send a team.

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No way, "the sport" for me is riding my own bike, at local tracks, not donating to pro riders in another country!

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly, so let the teams spend their own $$ the way they want.  

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out...

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out of pocket, and people don't need to donate for the US to send a team.

And once again. It isnt your $, they can use the $ the way they want. 

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9/11/2023 10:10pm
mxb2 wrote:

Exactly, so let the teams spend their own $$ the way they want.  

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out...

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out of pocket, and people don't need to donate for the US to send a team.

mxb2 wrote:

And once again. It isnt your $, they can use the $ the way they want. 

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

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MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out...

MXdN riders represent their country's organizing federation, it would take 1-2% of the AMA's cash to send a team, pro teams don't need to be out of pocket, and people don't need to donate for the US to send a team.

mxb2 wrote:

And once again. It isnt your $, they can use the $ the way they want. 

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

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You sure care alot about a country you dont live in.  That has no affect on your life.  

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They suck. They were ready to go when it was at Red Bud though! Pathetic. 

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9/11/2023 10:15pm
mxb2 wrote:

And once again. It isnt your $, they can use the $ the way they want. 

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

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mxb2 wrote:

You sure care alot about a country you dont live in.  That has no affect on your life.  

I want to see competitive teams from all countries at the MXdN.

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They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

They can and they are, the AMA's board of directors see no profit in sending a team to represent the US...

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mxb2 wrote:

You sure care alot about a country you dont live in.  That has no affect on your life.  

I want to see competitive teams from all countries at the MXdN.

But not enough. To donate,  got it.  

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9/11/2023 10:18pm

Hypothetically, if three random privateers from the US decided they wanted to make the trip and bring their bikes, could they represent USA or does Decoster have to sign the team up? 

 

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9/11/2023 10:20pm
Hypothetically, if three random privateers from the US decided they wanted to make the trip and bring their bikes, could they represent USA or does Decoster...

Hypothetically, if three random privateers from the US decided they wanted to make the trip and bring their bikes, could they represent USA or does Decoster have to sign the team up? 

 

The AMA needs to approve it, they would be representing the AMA.

9/11/2023 10:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 10:36pm
mxb2 wrote:

You sure care alot about a country you dont live in.  That has no affect on your life.  

I want to see competitive teams from all countries at the MXdN.

mxb2 wrote:

But not enough. To donate,  got it.  

I donate to Team Australia all the time, by buying from MXStore!

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I want to see competitive teams from all countries at the MXdN.

mxb2 wrote:

But not enough. To donate,  got it.  

I donate to Team Australia all the time, by buying from MXStore!

I donate to Team Australia all the time, by buying from MXStore!

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Well dont worry about the other teams then. Not your $ or decisions. 

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9/11/2023 10:35pm
mxb2 wrote:

You sure care alot about a country you dont live in.  That has no affect on your life.  

I want to see competitive teams from all countries at the MXdN.

mxb2 wrote:

But not enough. To donate,  got it.  

Are you helping out?  Or happy to see no US team?

You seemed certain a couple of months ago that there was plenty of money around to send a team.

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9/11/2023 10:36pm
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But not enough. To donate,  got it.  

I donate to Team Australia all the time, by buying from MXStore!

I donate to Team Australia all the time, by buying from MXStore!

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mxb2 wrote:

Well dont worry about the other teams then. Not your $ or decisions. 

I'm not worried, I do find it funny that the US claims they have the best riders, but France has had more MXdN wins in the last 10 years, and the US doesn't want to send a team this year

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9/11/2023 11:29pm

Hey Guys, hows about these 'superstar riders', pay their own way to MXoN, national pride?  How much can it cost?  At the end of the day, like Roczen doing this World SX thing, outside his usual team agreement, even like Straight Rhythm, a one off, private group going to wave the flag for the USA.   Sure, special sponsors would jump on board!  Marketing extravaganza!  USA won't live this down if they fail to attend.  Cowardly.  Someone remember a Puerto Rico team years ago, Pastrana, Jungle boy Windham & Sipes?  They made it happen. 

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9/11/2023 11:52pm
LungButter wrote:
Do I need to draw you a picture? A big part of the reason that Kawi doesn't support the MXdN is because they don't want to...

Do I need to draw you a picture?

A big part of the reason that Kawi doesn't support the MXdN is because they don't want to work with Decoster.

It may not be the sole reason they don't go, but it is certainly part of it.

Paul333 wrote:

Based on what? Who has ever said this? 

Sounds like BS. 

from racerhead 

from racerhead 

rx

Who wrote this?

If it’s at all accurate money seems to be the issue. 
 

 

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Decoster needs to go.

I hate Baby Boomers so much.

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from racerhead 

from racerhead 

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Herr Lich wrote:
When was this from zookrider?  Look at Racer X pussyfooting around the issue -  'appears to be some reluctance'.  If they know the real reason as...

When was this from zookrider?  Look at Racer X pussyfooting around the issue -  'appears to be some reluctance'.  If they know the real reason as they know doubt do (even 'tards seem to) why not state it?  Oh, I'll do it for them:

...and a refusal to work closely with Team USA Manage Roger De Coster because of Kawasaki's claim that Marvin Musguin let Ryan Dungey past during a SX race in 2017.  Kawasaki management believes this maneuver cost Eli Tomac the SX title that year. 

Tomac's multiple crashing during the 2017 season played no part in him losing!

See my post earlier where I say that Tomac lost the championship because of his weirdo crashes and slow restarts. 

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RG437 wrote:
I don’t think Kawi will work with DeCoster given that he is a KTM guy and in their eyes KTM screwed them out of a SX...

I don’t think Kawi will work with DeCoster given that he is a KTM guy and in their eyes KTM screwed them out of a SX title in 2017

Herr Lich wrote:
Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of...

Okay, is this the settled reason among the 'tards - that Kawasaki refuses to participate in the MXON because they think DeCoster screwed them out of the 2017 SX title when Marv 'let' Dungey 'bye'? 

If this is the case: 1. It's very immature - what a bunch of babies. 2. Take responsibility for your rider's performance - Tomac screwed himself out of a title by his weirdo crashes and slow restarts - notably Rutherford NJ SX.  3. I realise Kawasaki USA is its own entity, but presumably Kawasaki Japan has sway over it?  If so, I also presume Japan also sees MXON as a positive marketing platform and should direct Kawi USA to pull its head in and stop being a bunch of whingers. 

1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017.

2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for the US to send riders overseas to race a one off race like this.  Currently, the MX1 team are on the 24 KX450. The US riders are on the 23.  There isn't enough time to get Jason and/or AC prepared, that's the #1 reason why there isn't a Kawasaki MX1 or MX3 rider going.

3. On the 250 or MX2 side, again there are dependencies required from a non-existent GP team.  As I said in a prior post about the des Nations, it would cost a minimum of $50k to send 1 PC rider.  Plus, making sure that there is enough personnel to go during what is considered "off time" where they take vacations, weddings, etc that they put off during the season.

Remember, the des Nations is not a contracted event for the US teams and riders.  This is a business and a race overseas really doesn't benefit the US teams. 

If everyone wants a PC Kawasaki on the line at the des Nations, I will start a T-shirt campaign effective immediately and I will get Mitch to send one of his guys(preferably mine) .  We need $50k.  Who's donating?

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JBlain619 wrote:
1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017. 2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for...

1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017.

2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for the US to send riders overseas to race a one off race like this.  Currently, the MX1 team are on the 24 KX450. The US riders are on the 23.  There isn't enough time to get Jason and/or AC prepared, that's the #1 reason why there isn't a Kawasaki MX1 or MX3 rider going.

3. On the 250 or MX2 side, again there are dependencies required from a non-existent GP team.  As I said in a prior post about the des Nations, it would cost a minimum of $50k to send 1 PC rider.  Plus, making sure that there is enough personnel to go during what is considered "off time" where they take vacations, weddings, etc that they put off during the season.

Remember, the des Nations is not a contracted event for the US teams and riders.  This is a business and a race overseas really doesn't benefit the US teams. 

If everyone wants a PC Kawasaki on the line at the des Nations, I will start a T-shirt campaign effective immediately and I will get Mitch to send one of his guys(preferably mine) .  We need $50k.  Who's donating?

The des Nations is not a contracted event for the MXGP-teams and riders either. Yet they were there. In 2007, 2010, 2018 & 2022.

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JBlain619 wrote:
1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017. 2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for...

1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017.

2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for the US to send riders overseas to race a one off race like this.  Currently, the MX1 team are on the 24 KX450. The US riders are on the 23.  There isn't enough time to get Jason and/or AC prepared, that's the #1 reason why there isn't a Kawasaki MX1 or MX3 rider going.

3. On the 250 or MX2 side, again there are dependencies required from a non-existent GP team.  As I said in a prior post about the des Nations, it would cost a minimum of $50k to send 1 PC rider.  Plus, making sure that there is enough personnel to go during what is considered "off time" where they take vacations, weddings, etc that they put off during the season.

Remember, the des Nations is not a contracted event for the US teams and riders.  This is a business and a race overseas really doesn't benefit the US teams. 

If everyone wants a PC Kawasaki on the line at the des Nations, I will start a T-shirt campaign effective immediately and I will get Mitch to send one of his guys(preferably mine) .  We need $50k.  Who's donating?

DeStouwer wrote:

The des Nations is not a contracted event for the MXGP-teams and riders either. Yet they were there. In 2007, 2010, 2018 & 2022.

Ok and?? I'm not talking about MXGP teams, I'm talking US teams.

 

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Seems insane to me the amount of money and size of the mx market in the US, yet they can't get 3 dudes to France...

There are countless working guys dragging bikes or even racecars with stacks of wheels/tyres and spares packages around the world on their own dime for fun.

I love having American involved but it sounds fair that if you can't be bothered to go to it then you don't get to host it...

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JBlain619 wrote:
1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017. 2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for...

1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017.

2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for the US to send riders overseas to race a one off race like this.  Currently, the MX1 team are on the 24 KX450. The US riders are on the 23.  There isn't enough time to get Jason and/or AC prepared, that's the #1 reason why there isn't a Kawasaki MX1 or MX3 rider going.

3. On the 250 or MX2 side, again there are dependencies required from a non-existent GP team.  As I said in a prior post about the des Nations, it would cost a minimum of $50k to send 1 PC rider.  Plus, making sure that there is enough personnel to go during what is considered "off time" where they take vacations, weddings, etc that they put off during the season.

Remember, the des Nations is not a contracted event for the US teams and riders.  This is a business and a race overseas really doesn't benefit the US teams. 

If everyone wants a PC Kawasaki on the line at the des Nations, I will start a T-shirt campaign effective immediately and I will get Mitch to send one of his guys(preferably mine) .  We need $50k.  Who's donating?

DeStouwer wrote:

The des Nations is not a contracted event for the MXGP-teams and riders either. Yet they were there. In 2007, 2010, 2018 & 2022.

JBlain619 wrote:

Ok and?? I'm not talking about MXGP teams, I'm talking US teams.

 

That's the whole point... it not being contracted for US teams SHOULD be a non-issue if it isn't contracted for any other team showing up...

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JBlain619 wrote:
1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017. 2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for...

1. It has fuck all to do with a SX title in 2017.

2. There are a lot of dependencies from the Kawasaki MXGP team for the US to send riders overseas to race a one off race like this.  Currently, the MX1 team are on the 24 KX450. The US riders are on the 23.  There isn't enough time to get Jason and/or AC prepared, that's the #1 reason why there isn't a Kawasaki MX1 or MX3 rider going.

3. On the 250 or MX2 side, again there are dependencies required from a non-existent GP team.  As I said in a prior post about the des Nations, it would cost a minimum of $50k to send 1 PC rider.  Plus, making sure that there is enough personnel to go during what is considered "off time" where they take vacations, weddings, etc that they put off during the season.

Remember, the des Nations is not a contracted event for the US teams and riders.  This is a business and a race overseas really doesn't benefit the US teams. 

If everyone wants a PC Kawasaki on the line at the des Nations, I will start a T-shirt campaign effective immediately and I will get Mitch to send one of his guys(preferably mine) .  We need $50k.  Who's donating?

DeStouwer wrote:

The des Nations is not a contracted event for the MXGP-teams and riders either. Yet they were there. In 2007, 2010, 2018 & 2022.

JBlain619 wrote:

Ok and?? I'm not talking about MXGP teams, I'm talking US teams.

 

That's exactly the problem. You should look at the global issues, not just the local ones. Do you think it's beneficial for European teams to go across the Atlantic to compete in a one-off race? And yet, as I stated, they were there. Last year Coldenhoff, Renaux, Seewer and Geerts for example raced on a Star Yamaha at RedBud instead of their usual bikes at the GP's. I don't see why this couldn't work out vice versa, for, let's say, Anderson. Evans isn't selected, so there's a spare factory Kawasaki waiting in the shed.

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DeStouwer wrote:

The des Nations is not a contracted event for the MXGP-teams and riders either. Yet they were there. In 2007, 2010, 2018 & 2022.

JBlain619 wrote:

Ok and?? I'm not talking about MXGP teams, I'm talking US teams.

 

DeStouwer wrote:
That's exactly the problem. You should look at the global issues, not just the local ones. Do you think it's beneficial for European teams to go...

That's exactly the problem. You should look at the global issues, not just the local ones. Do you think it's beneficial for European teams to go across the Atlantic to compete in a one-off race? And yet, as I stated, they were there. Last year Coldenhoff, Renaux, Seewer and Geerts for example raced on a Star Yamaha at RedBud instead of their usual bikes at the GP's. I don't see why this couldn't work out vice versa, for, let's say, Anderson. Evans isn't selected, so there's a spare factory Kawasaki waiting in the shed.

Why do I have to look at global issues? I don't care if it's beneficial to the euro teams.  That is an FIM event, not an AMA one. It's beneficial to those teams to keep Luongo happy.  The AMA teams don't have to. 

Again, a spare 2024. Jason nor AC is going to race that thing without testing.  KMC wouldn't allow it either. 

You guys are missing the point entirely.  Everyone wants to point to a specific OEM.  It's not a particular OEM at all.  It's a money and time thing, bottom line.

Funny thing, no one bitched when the current MXGP World Champ didn't show up to Red Bud last year. 

Back to the most important question....how much can I put you down for to send a Kawi guy??

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