No guaranteed SMX price money even in you are in SMX top 20 now!

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Edited Date/Time 8/27/2023 3:33pm

With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the final SMX standings.

For example if Mumford, Braswell or Schwartz have 3 not so good races or at least fail in the last one with triple points, they may end up with 4-20 SMX points total in the end and if there will be different riders getting to main events in different races it doesn't require much to drop some top 20 qualifiers to positions 23-25 and without SMX purse money. 

Let's say in the worst case 3 riders from 1 & 2 lcq get positions around 15th place in those races and then 3 different riders from race 3 lcq get again positions around 15th place in LA Coliseum, they will all end up with around 20 points, which would drop even 3 original top 20 riders outside of top 22 in the final standings.

Or one of the last top 20 qualifiers get three last positions in playoff races, then just one different rider qualifying in LA from lcq to main and getting 20th position drops him out of price purse.

Is it likely? Probably not, at least for many original top 20 SMX qualifiers, but it could happen! More likely in 250 class, but not outside of possibilities in 450 class either.

Both classes seem to have well enough lcq riders who have won some top 20 qualified riders at least in some races for that to be possible...

Only guaranteed way for original top 20 qualifiers to get purse money is that exactly same riders qualify from every 3 lcq to mains!

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Cool, there was never any guarantee that the top 20 would make money

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8/27/2023 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2023 3:47pm

I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is no payout at the individual races?

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MxAddic wrote:
I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is...

I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is no payout at the individual races?

Yes, there will be some payout at the individual races and it's quaranteed for everyone in those races. But it looks like the bigger "after the racing is done" money is not.

At least I got originally an impression that if you qualify in the top 20 before playoffs, you'll get your share of that big money too on top of the individual race money, which won't happen if enough lcq qualifiers get more playoff points than you.

So for example if Butron could have qualified in the top 20 instead of Hill, by riding all three playoff rounds he would have got few thousands of individual race money, but for him it could have been pretty difficult to make in top 22 in the end to get that 25000+USD price money if there would have been different guys making mains in different races.

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MxAddic wrote:
I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is...

I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is no payout at the individual races?

SJK wrote:
Yes, there will be some payout at the individual races and it's quaranteed for everyone in those races. But it looks like the bigger "after the...

Yes, there will be some payout at the individual races and it's quaranteed for everyone in those races. But it looks like the bigger "after the racing is done" money is not.

At least I got originally an impression that if you qualify in the top 20 before playoffs, you'll get your share of that big money too on top of the individual race money, which won't happen if enough lcq qualifiers get more playoff points than you.

So for example if Butron could have qualified in the top 20 instead of Hill, by riding all three playoff rounds he would have got few thousands of individual race money, but for him it could have been pretty difficult to make in top 22 in the end to get that 25000+USD price money if there would have been different guys making mains in different races.

Sounds like too big a risk for the riders. They should just not show up and sit on all the cash they made throughout motocross Dry

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Newsflash, you gotta perform to cash in. What a crazy concept! (insert facepalm emoji)

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They are only guaranteed an advantage in points and gate pick at each round.  Still have to get the job done.  Why would there be a guarantee??

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Admittedly the details have been thin and slow in coming but who in their right mind would assume that a rider would be guaranteed prize money for a three race series just by qualifying to enter?

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Did we get a final answer on if the riders get the money or do the teams get the money and break off a piece for the riders? 
There was an SMX payout thread and not sure this question was resolved.

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8/27/2023 7:12pm

This is a weird melt. It was always the top 22 OVERALL get the big money. 
 

also the guys in lcq will get some money for showing up still.

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RCMXracing wrote:
Did we get a final answer on if the riders get the money or do the teams get the money and break off a piece for...

Did we get a final answer on if the riders get the money or do the teams get the money and break off a piece for the riders? 
There was an SMX payout thread and not sure this question was resolved.

PulpMX has been saying the teams get the money for a few weeks now.

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RCMXracing wrote:
Did we get a final answer on if the riders get the money or do the teams get the money and break off a piece for...

Did we get a final answer on if the riders get the money or do the teams get the money and break off a piece for the riders? 
There was an SMX payout thread and not sure this question was resolved.

Madkiwi wrote:

PulpMX has been saying the teams get the money for a few weeks now.

Not accurate.  He changed his report to be "whomever registers the rider" which in many cases will be the Teams, but he also said the factory teams will absolutely be giving the money to the riders and privateers register themselves ao all should be good there.

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SJK wrote:
With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the...

With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the final SMX standings.

For example if Mumford, Braswell or Schwartz have 3 not so good races or at least fail in the last one with triple points, they may end up with 4-20 SMX points total in the end and if there will be different riders getting to main events in different races it doesn't require much to drop some top 20 qualifiers to positions 23-25 and without SMX purse money. 

Let's say in the worst case 3 riders from 1 & 2 lcq get positions around 15th place in those races and then 3 different riders from race 3 lcq get again positions around 15th place in LA Coliseum, they will all end up with around 20 points, which would drop even 3 original top 20 riders outside of top 22 in the final standings.

Or one of the last top 20 qualifiers get three last positions in playoff races, then just one different rider qualifying in LA from lcq to main and getting 20th position drops him out of price purse.

Is it likely? Probably not, at least for many original top 20 SMX qualifiers, but it could happen! More likely in 250 class, but not outside of possibilities in 450 class either.

Both classes seem to have well enough lcq riders who have won some top 20 qualified riders at least in some races for that to be possible...

Only guaranteed way for original top 20 qualifiers to get purse money is that exactly same riders qualify from every 3 lcq to mains!

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They are only guaranteed an advantage in points and gate pick at each round.  Still have to get the job done.  Why would there be a...

They are only guaranteed an advantage in points and gate pick at each round.  Still have to get the job done.  Why would there be a guarantee??

Well it’s kinda been framed that way (that it’s a guaranteed pay day to make it in).

But I can see how it’s not.

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8/28/2023 2:25am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2023 2:26am
SJK wrote:
With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the...

With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the final SMX standings.

For example if Mumford, Braswell or Schwartz have 3 not so good races or at least fail in the last one with triple points, they may end up with 4-20 SMX points total in the end and if there will be different riders getting to main events in different races it doesn't require much to drop some top 20 qualifiers to positions 23-25 and without SMX purse money. 

Let's say in the worst case 3 riders from 1 & 2 lcq get positions around 15th place in those races and then 3 different riders from race 3 lcq get again positions around 15th place in LA Coliseum, they will all end up with around 20 points, which would drop even 3 original top 20 riders outside of top 22 in the final standings.

Or one of the last top 20 qualifiers get three last positions in playoff races, then just one different rider qualifying in LA from lcq to main and getting 20th position drops him out of price purse.

Is it likely? Probably not, at least for many original top 20 SMX qualifiers, but it could happen! More likely in 250 class, but not outside of possibilities in 450 class either.

Both classes seem to have well enough lcq riders who have won some top 20 qualified riders at least in some races for that to be possible...

Only guaranteed way for original top 20 qualifiers to get purse money is that exactly same riders qualify from every 3 lcq to mains!

Holy gee whiz.......

You need to get an additional hobby

Is stamp collecting still a thing?

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SJK wrote:
With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the...

With this point structure and lcq system it may happen that some of the top 20 smx riders may be left outside top 22 in the final SMX standings.

For example if Mumford, Braswell or Schwartz have 3 not so good races or at least fail in the last one with triple points, they may end up with 4-20 SMX points total in the end and if there will be different riders getting to main events in different races it doesn't require much to drop some top 20 qualifiers to positions 23-25 and without SMX purse money. 

Let's say in the worst case 3 riders from 1 & 2 lcq get positions around 15th place in those races and then 3 different riders from race 3 lcq get again positions around 15th place in LA Coliseum, they will all end up with around 20 points, which would drop even 3 original top 20 riders outside of top 22 in the final standings.

Or one of the last top 20 qualifiers get three last positions in playoff races, then just one different rider qualifying in LA from lcq to main and getting 20th position drops him out of price purse.

Is it likely? Probably not, at least for many original top 20 SMX qualifiers, but it could happen! More likely in 250 class, but not outside of possibilities in 450 class either.

Both classes seem to have well enough lcq riders who have won some top 20 qualified riders at least in some races for that to be possible...

Only guaranteed way for original top 20 qualifiers to get purse money is that exactly same riders qualify from every 3 lcq to mains!

Wow good job man on deciphering it. Most of us don’t know even part of how it all works 👍

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If you fall off the back at the end of the race, you don't get paid for the highest position you were in, either. That's why they call them "finishing positions." Where you finish is what counts. Same for championships, and yes the SMX season finale as well. 

 

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8/28/2023 10:57am

I am surprised that this is surprising. 

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MxAddic wrote:
I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is...

I think they are planning on paying out the millions after the racing is done. Not sure why you thought otherwise. Are you implying there is no payout at the individual races?

SJK wrote:
Yes, there will be some payout at the individual races and it's quaranteed for everyone in those races. But it looks like the bigger "after the...

Yes, there will be some payout at the individual races and it's quaranteed for everyone in those races. But it looks like the bigger "after the racing is done" money is not.

At least I got originally an impression that if you qualify in the top 20 before playoffs, you'll get your share of that big money too on top of the individual race money, which won't happen if enough lcq qualifiers get more playoff points than you.

So for example if Butron could have qualified in the top 20 instead of Hill, by riding all three playoff rounds he would have got few thousands of individual race money, but for him it could have been pretty difficult to make in top 22 in the end to get that 25000+USD price money if there would have been different guys making mains in different races.

It was always the top 20 would qualify for the races there was no guaranteed money, They plus those that qualify through the LCQ's will be racing for the money the same as they do in both SX and MX.

Not sure where you got your initial impression but it was never set up that way.

 

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DonM wrote:
It was always the top 20 would qualify for the races there was no guaranteed money, They plus those that qualify through the LCQ's will be...

It was always the top 20 would qualify for the races there was no guaranteed money, They plus those that qualify through the LCQ's will be racing for the money the same as they do in both SX and MX.

Not sure where you got your initial impression but it was never set up that way.

 

Pretty sure the way they sold it to us all year was so an so is racing for that 20 spot in combined points and a guaranteed min. of $X. We are talking back all the way to the beginning here.

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This is from the original press release....but I'm not going to disagree that Weege sometimes says shit that isn't correct....like the first 10 rounds of MX had a total150k fans...sometimes his lips move faster than his brain...

As announced this summer, the SuperMotocross World Championship series will boast the sport’s largest payout of $10 million over the course of the full season. $1.1 million will be added to the existing prize money already available in each respective championship. The SuperMotocross World Championship playoffs and final will have $5.5 million up for grabs, with a guaranteed $1 million going to the 450cc champion and $500,000 for the 250cc champion. Purse payout will continue to be provided to the top 40 racers in both Supercross and Pro Motocross and will be provided to the top 30 racers in the SuperMotocross World Championship.

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ando wrote:
Admittedly the details have been thin and slow in coming but who in their right mind would assume that a rider would be guaranteed prize money...

Admittedly the details have been thin and slow in coming but who in their right mind would assume that a rider would be guaranteed prize money for a three race series just by qualifying to enter?

Anybody that signed up for WSX?

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