SMX payout updates

8/21/2023 12:12pm
ML512 wrote:
I just asked and the short answer I got was "the prize money will be paid to the entrant of the race". Trying to clarify but...

I just asked and the short answer I got was "the prize money will be paid to the entrant of the race".

Trying to clarify but that seems to point towards the rider gets it if they sign themselves up.

I also asked two mid-level teams that have riders in the races and they had no clue that the purse was being paid to the team, they were under the impression it went to the riders. Although one admitted if it was going to the teams they would maybe consider a split of revenue due to the fact that the additional three races are 100% out of pocket for the team as they didn't gain any additional sponsor dollars to do the three SMX rounds.

That’s super disappointing to me. It was clear the promoters were doing that For eww and ahhhs of the amount of money. 

This is going to end up exactly like Wsx where some teams are paying riders nothing or very small amounts. Not pleased with this at all. I do get teams have expenses but that needs to be not tied to finishing position of the dang rider. 

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Shaping up to be a hollow championship and a big letdown after the hype for almost a year now.

DonM wrote:

How so? This is a nothing burger if it's true the teams will pass it through to the riders...not a big deal

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

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8/21/2023 12:27pm

It was clarified that the individual who signs up the rider is who gets paid......meaning in many cases it will be the rider.  I guarantee you the factory teams will not be retaining the funds.  Now, if you have a shady team manager maybe so, but it seems most or all of those are gone.

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8/21/2023 12:28pm
DonM wrote:

How so? This is a nothing burger if it's true the teams will pass it through to the riders...not a big deal

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

I can't answer for zookrider but I absolutely called out the WSX purse money sham when it was announced it was paid to the teams. It's no different for SMX, though the riders in SMX probably have more leverage to get paid.

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8/21/2023 12:30pm
It was clarified that the individual who signs up the rider is who gets paid......meaning in many cases it will be the rider.  I guarantee you...

It was clarified that the individual who signs up the rider is who gets paid......meaning in many cases it will be the rider.  I guarantee you the factory teams will not be retaining the funds.  Now, if you have a shady team manager maybe so, but it seems most or all of those are gone.

It was also mentioned that the mid level teams would potentially split smx purse based off what ML said. So that’s a lot of guys or that might get half purse? That’s not cool. 

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8/21/2023 12:34pm
DonM wrote:

How so? This is a nothing burger if it's true the teams will pass it through to the riders...not a big deal

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

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8/21/2023 12:47pm

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this...

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

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8/21/2023 12:56pm
DonM wrote:

How so? This is a nothing burger if it's true the teams will pass it through to the riders...not a big deal

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

Did WSX advertise that they were paying the riders, or the teams? SMX straight up said they were paying the riders, so yes it would be a lie. Even if every team pays every rider 100%, SMX is not doing what they said they were.

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8/21/2023 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2023 1:06pm

this is a smoldering dumpster fire about to explode and FELD/ MXsports or whomever is responsible for this needs to get ahead of it and release a press release or statement clarifying this… like yesterday. This is amateurish at best that it’s dragged on this long with out something released to clarify by the organization in charge. 

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8/21/2023 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2023 1:13pm
DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this...

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

MDK won't have anyone in SMX but ClubMX, Firepower Honda and HEP/PMG should

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8/21/2023 1:12pm
Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this...

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

GrapeApe wrote:

MDK won't have anyone in SMX but ClubMX, Firepower Honda and HEP/PMG should

PMG/HEP will as well. 

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8/21/2023 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2023 1:18pm
DonM wrote:
Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him...

Lying? that's a stretch...are you this worked up about WSX doing the same thing? So yo think that if Jett wins it Honda won't pay him? What teams are you worried about not paying the riders the money?

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this...

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

My you have tremendous faith the factory teams will all do the honorable thing. Do you have that in writing? If they change their mind you would never know because of NDA.

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8/21/2023 1:15pm
DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

GrapeApe wrote:

MDK won't have anyone in SMX but ClubMX, Firepower Honda and HEP/PMG should

stremme12 wrote:

PMG/HEP will as well. 

Ha I was editing just as you wrote that

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8/21/2023 1:43pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Full breakdown.    

Full breakdown.

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Two questions for you 1 how far back do the points pay? Does it stop at 22?    2 what do the guys make that don’t...

Two questions for you

1 how far back do the points pay? Does it stop at 22? 
 

2 what do the guys make that don’t make the main? 

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As far as I know the points stop at 22 like a regular SX race.  The big payouts are awarded to those that finish in the...

As far as I know the points stop at 22 like a regular SX race. 

The big payouts are awarded to those that finish in the top 22 in the standings. 

Edit: 

All three events will also have an individual race purse of $404,810. Earnings will be based on the finishing position within each event, as first place in the 450 class will collect $100K, second place $50K, third $25K, fourth $10K, fifth $5K, sixth $4K, seventh $3,900, then continues in thousand-dollar increments to 30th position and will include the LCQ competitors.

Thanks boss. 

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Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this...

Two teams I know of that race wsx will have guys in smx. Both those teams have multiple guys racing wsx at reduced purse(have seen this myself).
 

so you think teams are going to do it for wsx and not smx?

its literally the same teams. 

 

DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

MxAddic wrote:
My you have tremendous faith the factory teams will all do the honorable thing. Do you have that in writing? If they change their mind you...

My you have tremendous faith the factory teams will all do the honorable thing. Do you have that in writing? If they change their mind you would never know because of NDA.

It's not about faith....I'm pretty sure for factory riders everything is in writing and understood by both parties if this is the case...nothing has been shown that has confirmed this is the case...as of now it's just a rumor that has not been corroborated...but a lot of people have their panties in a wad over it...

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8/21/2023 4:48pm
DonM wrote:

You must be talking about RWR and MDK...the anger should be directed at those teams and not the series....

MxAddic wrote:
My you have tremendous faith the factory teams will all do the honorable thing. Do you have that in writing? If they change their mind you...

My you have tremendous faith the factory teams will all do the honorable thing. Do you have that in writing? If they change their mind you would never know because of NDA.

DonM wrote:
It's not about faith....I'm pretty sure for factory riders everything is in writing and understood by both parties if this is the case...nothing has been shown...

It's not about faith....I'm pretty sure for factory riders everything is in writing and understood by both parties if this is the case...nothing has been shown that has confirmed this is the case...as of now it's just a rumor that has not been corroborated...but a lot of people have their panties in a wad over it...

I’m just disappointed(if we understand correctly). I really was exited for the riders. 

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8/21/2023 5:01pm
DonM wrote:
It's not about faith....I'm pretty sure for factory riders everything is in writing and understood by both parties if this is the case...nothing has been shown...

It's not about faith....I'm pretty sure for factory riders everything is in writing and understood by both parties if this is the case...nothing has been shown that has confirmed this is the case...as of now it's just a rumor that has not been corroborated...but a lot of people have their panties in a wad over it...

Are you suggesting the factories re-wrote all the contracts based on something we can't get a strait answer on? If not nothing is in writing as you suggest.

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8/21/2023 6:29pm
MxAddic wrote:

Shaping up to be a hollow championship and a big letdown after the hype for almost a year now.

DonM wrote:

How so? This is a nothing burger if it's true the teams will pass it through to the riders...not a big deal

Hold up, lying about who gets paid is a nothing burger?

When it’s MX Sports any bad PR is a nothing burger in DonM eyes. Now if the WSX tried to pull something this shady he would be harping on it big time

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8/21/2023 6:41pm

Seems like some key wording here that could be important.  ML said the entrant gets paid; in AMA Supercross or Pro Nationals who is the entrant?  I mean the entry list contains rider names, not team names.  Do teams enter the events and then nominate a rider, or does the team just submit the entry on behalf of the rider (the entrant)?

8/22/2023 6:22am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2024 6:42pm

I believe a lot of teams sign up a rider and pay their entry for the full season as part of their contract before the season starts to ensure entry at each event. Each event is capped at 80 riders and they want to make sure their rider has a spot in the lineup. If this is the case, per what Matthes reported on his Budds Creek review on Sunday, the team would receive the purse. Riders who pay their own entry will receive the purse.

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8/22/2023 8:45am

I think Harlan said last night on Pulp that he had not signed up yet, I think he said he "couldn't figure out how to"

So, maybe this info of who ever does the signing up gets the prize money has come out soon enough that the guys on small teams know to sign themselves up so as to protect themselves from thieving team owners?

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8/22/2023 11:39pm
I think Harlan said last night on Pulp that he had not signed up yet, I think he said he "couldn't figure out how to" So...

I think Harlan said last night on Pulp that he had not signed up yet, I think he said he "couldn't figure out how to"

So, maybe this info of who ever does the signing up gets the prize money has come out soon enough that the guys on small teams know to sign themselves up so as to protect themselves from thieving team owners?

it has been mentioned that the top 20 plus the next 10 sign up the week after the last national 

8/23/2023 6:55am

Forrest Butler gotta be salivating over teams getting paid the purse money and deciding what to give the riders. Oh wait, he already did that while breaching contract salary with his entire team. Too soon?

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8/23/2023 7:09am

I just don’t understand why they would lie about this. 

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Quick, go sign everyone up and make bank. 
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Forrest Butler gotta be salivating over teams getting paid the purse money and deciding what to give the riders. Oh wait, he already did that while...

Forrest Butler gotta be salivating over teams getting paid the purse money and deciding what to give the riders. Oh wait, he already did that while breaching contract salary with his entire team. Too soon?

Did that one guy ever get his cage match with him??

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8/23/2023 1:11pm

I believe the riders enter themselves being their independent contractors and the teams reimburse them

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