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In a facebook discussion about the Budds Creek 250 red flag restart a friend suggested something like all the riders lining up and doing a NASCAR green flag restart.
If they did single file on a flatish smooth area or even the face of a low speed jump that would be a great way to do restart at a National.
Dave Coombs, Tim Cotter, MXSports are you listening?
Starts as is are retardedly unpredictable and gate pick is nearly meaningless
If the race was more then half way through this is exactly what they would have done.
I thought for sure it would be a staggered start, the Deegs got screwed..
I don’t understand why the rule is any different than Supercross? If it was a Supercross race they would have done a staggered start down the the start straight, allowing riders to keep the position they already fought through half a race for.
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Pretty sure its the same as SX. Depending how far through the race the red flag is determines if it’s a staggered or full gate restart.
A full restart that long into a moto doesn’t make any sense.
If they complete a lap, then I feel they should always do a staggered restart.
I believe the Red flag was thrown about 30 seconds before the 1/2 way 15 minute mark so maybe thats the line between line and well in a line 😆
I'm willing to bet this rule will be adjusted by next year. First lap, sure, full restart. If the field has taken the green, just line them up staggered and let them keep their positions.
He pretty much screwed himself on the restart.
And I agree with others here, should have been a staggered restart.
Kind of ridiculous not to just because it was merely seconds away from halfway.
Either way, his lead would have disappeared.
And the front runners would have been up his ass.
Agree. How does a full restart make any logical sense? Just stagger them.
Just makes absolutely 0 sense to have the rule that way. 14 minutes in and do a full restart but not actually a full restart because only 16 minutes were on the clock. The way I see it is you either reset the clock and rerack the riders or you don’t reset the clock and don’t rerack the riders (AKA staggered start).
B applies
I’m a crazy guy these days and I say follow the current rules as stated in the rulebook as explained by the AMA official on the broadcast. This way I don’t over react with my emotions like you nancies are doing and crying about a rider getting “screwed” when he obviously torpedoed himself into the ground almost taking Vialle out in the process.
If this had negatively affected a Honda rider you can be sure that by next year, maybe even by next race, the rule book would be modified to provide for a staggered start.
We'll see if Star has the same pull...
The rule should be anything after 3 laps completed = staggered start.
Very sensibly so
The medical flag incident causing the red flag will have affected riders differently. Some will be WOGged other will still be able to race.
Instead of trying to work out positions from transponders and sector loops on a 1.5 mile MX track for a staggered start it is fairer, more exciting and a LOT easier and quicker to have another, shorter race.
It seemed like they could have gotten away with a yellow and Red Cross flags with where the incident took place
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Was thinking 2 laps.
Stopping race action to attend to a safety situation is definitely an area in the procedures/rules that I am good with being observed.
Yes Like they do in SX whenever possible. Someone holding the bike sideways blocking the rider and medical crew and wheels on the ground flag flying.
When the riders went past the area and Red Cross flag was flying I didnt even see the rider or anyone for it.
Deegan nailed the start once then completely botched it and made it worse by pulling a dumb move into the first corner
He screwed himself. Everyone else had to restart as well
I'll vote for a rolling start like F1 after a safety car, ride slow in position and start racing when you get to the finish line/green flag. Full restart is kinda dumb and staggered start looks funky and not very professional...
Yea they followed the rule. By start of next season the rule should be changed(or even before start of SMX). Unless the red flag is called from an incident on the start the race should be staggered started when resuming with the positions from last transponder location closest to where leader gets red flag. There is no reason someone should benefit or be penalized for a red flag by requiring them to be “re-racked”. In the days before transponders yes, with the technology we have now it makes no sense
there are rules
They were followed.
How hard would it be to build a programmable starting gate where the gates fall in sequential order. Line them up left to right and have the gates fall in order and time of the last recorded crossing at the finish line. Or maybe just fall in order every 1.5 seconds.
We have the technology
Why not after 1 completed lap?
I think what we're arguing is that the rules themselves aren't the best.
I don't blame the people who made the decision yesterday, I blame the people who wrote the rules.
Sometimes they have trouble getting all the gates to fall at the same time! 😁
I figured it gives time for the riders to get sorted out from either getting a good start or bad start. After 1 lap it would work too but it would work against someone who can run through the pack form the back. For example, championship leader gets a bad start almost dead last. He can pass a lot more riders in 3 laps than in 1 lap. On the flip side, low ranked privateer gets a great start and goes from 3rd to 15th in 3 laps, in instead of being 6th or 7th after 1 lap.
I like DV's idea of a rolling start better than a staggered start too. Either way, 1 lap or 3 laps, they should not be doing a full restart after a couple laps are complete.
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