No clutch lever on Deegans Yamaha 450?

 

Anyone know why he doesn’t have a clutch lever on his 450?

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dirtbikeguy01
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8/7/2023 7:10pm

Cus you don’t need it 

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8/7/2023 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/7/2023 7:12pm

was wondering the same thing...  guessing so he doesn't try and ride it like a 250 and overuse the clutch ...

 

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8/7/2023 7:15pm

It's a Stark Varg in disguise!

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8/7/2023 7:26pm Edited Date/Time 8/7/2023 7:55pm

Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch lever can be removed, and they have the rear brake pedal removed quit often too.

Trying to instill good habits and roll speed.

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The Shop

8/7/2023 8:09pm

Same video Bennick also had no clutch 

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8/7/2023 8:34pm
DPW wrote:
was wondering the same thing...  guessing so he doesn't try and ride it like a 250 and overuse the clutch ...  

was wondering the same thing...  guessing so he doesn't try and ride it like a 250 and overuse the clutch ...

 

2023-08-07 211025 0

When you see the handlebars with out the clutch perch it really makes a guy understand how strong handlebars have to be!  There’s so much force and such a large distance from the bar clamps it’s a wonder they don’t break or bend more often. 

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8/7/2023 10:05pm
ML512 wrote:
Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch...

Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch lever can be removed, and they have the rear brake pedal removed quit often too.

Trying to instill good habits and roll speed.

I understand the clutch piece, but the rear brake?

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8/7/2023 10:29pm
ML512 wrote:
Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch...

Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch lever can be removed, and they have the rear brake pedal removed quit often too.

Trying to instill good habits and roll speed.

zehn wrote:

I understand the clutch piece, but the rear brake?

I’d guess so they don’t slide in with the rear locked and then squirt out with a lot of wheel spin. Would make sense for training SX 90s and 180s (pic above looks to be SX track). I don’t know what it would do for outdoors though. 

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8/8/2023 12:04am

The not being able to grab the rear brake in the air would scare me..

but I am not good enough to be on Star Yamaha, so what do I know? 

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8/8/2023 12:19am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 12:21am

Seems weird to me you have dudes who are that damn good on a bike, like part of the world's elite, and you also have guys watching their every move and everything the bike does...

And they still physically remove the clutch and rear brake, rather than just telling them not to use them and having the coaches/spotters/etc enforcing it.

I don't know, Star clearly knows better and their program is working great, it just seems weird.

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8/8/2023 1:58am

It helps a lot with learning to keep corner speed up 

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8/8/2023 3:41am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 3:41am
ElliotB16 wrote:

It helps a lot with learning to keep corner speed up 

Deegan already has pretty crazy corner speed. If Star keeps this method up, the kid’s gonna risk going back in time. 

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8/8/2023 3:58am
ElliotB16 wrote:

It helps a lot with learning to keep corner speed up 

Sully wrote:

Deegan already has pretty crazy corner speed. If Star keeps this method up, the kid’s gonna risk going back in time. 

You've got if backwards, he will go forward in time...

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8/8/2023 4:19am

Use to be take the seat and rear brake lever off back in the day to practice good form and technique. 
 

Of course that was on old YZ 80s not 450f. Smile

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8/8/2023 4:25am

Back in the day, my buddy's dad would take his seat off to teach him to ride standing up. 

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8/8/2023 4:43am

Back in the day, I believe Gary Jones and others would train without a seat. Thought being it would help them keep their feet up Whistling

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8/8/2023 4:49am

This is nothing new, Alec Wright from Team Green used to make his riders ride with bent bars, no seat, no front or rear brake. 

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Yeah, in my day we didn’t even have handlebars, we had to physically grab each fork leg with our hands. Well, I call them hands, we only had two fingers on each, we were poor. Seats ? We dreamed of seats. You kids today got it good. Burp. 6F1D46C5-D013-4FA7-9F32-9C3F2FC91ADE.jpeg?VersionId=DUWKRtUm

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8/8/2023 5:09am

This is nothing new, Alec Wright from Team Green used to make his riders ride with bent bars, no seat, no front or rear brake. 

Back in the late 60's we did this all the time, no seat and no rear brake. When I got to Germany in 73 again I used the no seat no brake on my CZ's.

Take your rear brake off in the mountains will teach you all about the front brake, we did this while riding the hills above the Cle Elum Coal Piles in the 60's.  After a few days of this the front brake is a very natural. 

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8/8/2023 5:09am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 5:11am
ElliotB16 wrote:

It helps a lot with learning to keep corner speed up 

Sully wrote:

Deegan already has pretty crazy corner speed. If Star keeps this method up, the kid’s gonna risk going back in time. 

You've got if backwards, he will go forward in time...

You've got if backwards, he will go forward in time...

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Not if the Flux Capacitor is fluxing corrrctly. 

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8/8/2023 6:14am
Sully wrote:

Deegan already has pretty crazy corner speed. If Star keeps this method up, the kid’s gonna risk going back in time. 

You've got if backwards, he will go forward in time...

You've got if backwards, he will go forward in time...

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Sully wrote:

Not if the Flux Capacitor is fluxing corrrctly. 

So that's why Star didn't want Deegan's bike claimed, they didn't want anybody discovering the Flux Capacitor!

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8/8/2023 6:42am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 6:43am

Jeff Walker did a video about this not too long ago.

 
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8/8/2023 6:49am

What i don't quite understand is that the rekluse clutch ends up serving the purpose of the clutch lever in a turn when trying to teach roll speed and not use the clutch as a crutch.  The only thing it eliminates is fanning the clutch on corner exit,  which maybe that's the point.   

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8/8/2023 6:56am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 6:58am
Rupert X wrote:
Yeah, in my day we didn’t even have handlebars, we had to physically grab each fork leg with our hands. Well, I call them hands, we...

Yeah, in my day we didn’t even have handlebars, we had to physically grab each fork leg with our hands. Well, I call them hands, we only had two fingers on each, we were poor. Seats ? We dreamed of seats. You kids today got it good. Burp. 6F1D46C5-D013-4FA7-9F32-9C3F2FC91ADE.jpeg?VersionId=DUWKRtUm

Ah, an AI generated “photo”. Zoom in. Look at her hand.

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8/8/2023 6:57am

This has been a thing for a very long time. Only difference is they used to point the lever either straight up or straight down. 

8/8/2023 7:17am
ML512 wrote:
Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch...

Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch lever can be removed, and they have the rear brake pedal removed quit often too.

Trying to instill good habits and roll speed.

Thanks for the info thought it might of been a rekluse but I figured they still needed a clutch lever

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8/8/2023 7:27am
JB 19 wrote:
What i don't quite understand is that the rekluse clutch ends up serving the purpose of the clutch lever in a turn when trying to teach...

What i don't quite understand is that the rekluse clutch ends up serving the purpose of the clutch lever in a turn when trying to teach roll speed and not use the clutch as a crutch.  The only thing it eliminates is fanning the clutch on corner exit,  which maybe that's the point.   

That's totally the point. Keep speed up and you won't have to use the crutch that is working the clutch on corner exit. Without a rekluse it would be way easier to stall and downshifts would be super harsh

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8/8/2023 7:52am
ML512 wrote:
Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch...

Star has been having their riders train on 450s a bunch this Summer. Those 450s appear to have Rekluse auto clutches in them, so the clutch lever can be removed, and they have the rear brake pedal removed quit often too.

Trying to instill good habits and roll speed.

shifter125 wrote:

Thanks for the info thought it might of been a rekluse but I figured they still needed a clutch lever

Clutch lever is absolutely not needed when you run a Rekluse auto clutch. I like to start my bike and click it in gear and ride away with my left hand off the bars just to see if people are paying attention. lol  

In general riding/racing I still use the clutch the Rekluse is just nice in tight stuff where the engine would otherwise stall. KTM 350's are pretty well known for flame outs and it eliminated it. They are teaching good habits, I use mine to hide my bad habits..  hahaha

 

Not sure why so many people are shocked about training without a clutch. I mentioned in another thread a while ago about doing one handed figure 8 drills and people acted like it was the stupidest thing they ever heard. I looked at it as a drill to reinforce squeezing with my knees and utilizing my core more than my hands. 

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8/8/2023 8:12am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2023 9:23am
McG194 wrote:
Clutch lever is absolutely not needed when you run a Rekluse auto clutch. I like to start my bike and click it in gear and ride...

Clutch lever is absolutely not needed when you run a Rekluse auto clutch. I like to start my bike and click it in gear and ride away with my left hand off the bars just to see if people are paying attention. lol  

In general riding/racing I still use the clutch the Rekluse is just nice in tight stuff where the engine would otherwise stall. KTM 350's are pretty well known for flame outs and it eliminated it. They are teaching good habits, I use mine to hide my bad habits..  hahaha

 

Not sure why so many people are shocked about training without a clutch. I mentioned in another thread a while ago about doing one handed figure 8 drills and people acted like it was the stupidest thing they ever heard. I looked at it as a drill to reinforce squeezing with my knees and utilizing my core more than my hands. 

This is 100% true! I acquired a mint/used 2012 RMZ450 several years back with a Rekluse already installed…My first experience with this wonder-device and they work SO well it feels like cheating! After I got used to having it in the bike, I’d forget about it and not bother to put the bike in neutral. While sitting in the “hold area” before a moto I absentmindedly blipped the throttle and the bike instantly shot forward/squirted out from under me resulting in a “crash” before I even got on the track! 😝 

I’m sure every other racer made a mental note “watchout for this spode” and figured I was the biggest goon they’d lined up with in a while! I made sure to NEVER stop and sit with the bike in gear after that little embarrassing fiasco! 😎 👍❗️

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8/8/2023 8:43am

Good plan B training for what to do if something breaks

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