New 2023 YZ450F

tek14
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7/13/2023 9:13am

Seems Keefer has been holding out on us lol.....kidding. (longer swing arm)

https://www.mxpmag.com/the-matrix-concepts-canada-pit-tour-shawn-maffen…

 

I would like to know how Raptor foot pegs are one off? They offer multiple options as stock and you get what you want on special order anyway. Longer swingarm sounds little overkill. 

GPrider
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7/13/2023 10:51am

Seems Keefer has been holding out on us lol.....kidding. (longer swing arm)

https://www.mxpmag.com/the-matrix-concepts-canada-pit-tour-shawn-maffen…

 

I remember Keefer saying something about longer swing arms a while back, but he just glazed over it. Whats interesting is we know that teams are running the axle all the way back, but I thought that was with the stock swing arm. So Tomac has been running it all the way back on an even longer swing arm? crazy. Must be trying to get as much weight forward as possible for front end traction? Keefer...? I know riding mine on fast stuff the front feels like it is hunt and pecking around, maybe they are on to something

the kid 857
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7/13/2023 3:17pm

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

The Shop

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Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

Valves out of spec 

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7/14/2023 11:09am Edited Date/Time 7/14/2023 11:11am
Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

Yamaha tech support has stated they're seeing mapping/kill switch issues.  Mine sporadically cuts out in the mid range without set ryhme or reason and has been hard to start since cutting out started.  Hard starting is only apparent when its having the cutting out issues btw.  Valves won't be the issue with 12 hours on machine.  Map switch is ordered as its cheapest to replace with a known problem to yamaha since I've already went through the whole wiring harness connections and added dielectric grease to all cleaned out connections to no avail. Will let ya know if it solves the very sporadic problem.

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the kid 857
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7/14/2023 11:46am
Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

dr.evil wrote:
Yamaha tech support has stated they're seeing mapping/kill switch issues.  Mine sporadically cuts out in the mid range without set ryhme or reason and has been...

Yamaha tech support has stated they're seeing mapping/kill switch issues.  Mine sporadically cuts out in the mid range without set ryhme or reason and has been hard to start since cutting out started.  Hard starting is only apparent when its having the cutting out issues btw.  Valves won't be the issue with 12 hours on machine.  Map switch is ordered as its cheapest to replace with a known problem to yamaha since I've already went through the whole wiring harness connections and added dielectric grease to all cleaned out connections to no avail. Will let ya know if it solves the very sporadic problem.

Have you had any bogging issues under heavy load? I have covered the kill switch every time I wash the bike. 

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7/14/2023 1:49pm
Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

dr.evil wrote:
Yamaha tech support has stated they're seeing mapping/kill switch issues.  Mine sporadically cuts out in the mid range without set ryhme or reason and has been...

Yamaha tech support has stated they're seeing mapping/kill switch issues.  Mine sporadically cuts out in the mid range without set ryhme or reason and has been hard to start since cutting out started.  Hard starting is only apparent when its having the cutting out issues btw.  Valves won't be the issue with 12 hours on machine.  Map switch is ordered as its cheapest to replace with a known problem to yamaha since I've already went through the whole wiring harness connections and added dielectric grease to all cleaned out connections to no avail. Will let ya know if it solves the very sporadic problem.

Have you had any bogging issues under heavy load? I have covered the kill switch every time I wash the bike. 

Yes, always seems to be when accelerating in mid rpm range for a very short window of rpm 

 

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7/14/2023 1:53pm

I got the hydraulic clutch. Not going to try and install it tonight before riding tomorrow though.

IMG 1765

 

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BMR179
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Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

Fuel filter clogged?

Mx286
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7/15/2023 1:00pm

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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tek14
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7/15/2023 1:02pm
Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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Huh that was close. Mine took piston and rest of motor with it.. 

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7/15/2023 1:06pm
Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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I had the exact same issue. The rod is probably ruined as well… changed mine. Still waiting on Yamaha for warranty. Until now I didn’t pay anything.

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Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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tek14 wrote:

Huh that was close. Mine took piston and rest of motor with it.. 

Did you had any warranty?

Mx286
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7/15/2023 1:18pm
Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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VPG43 wrote:
I had the exact same issue. The rod is probably ruined as well… changed mine. Still waiting on Yamaha for warranty. Until now I didn’t pay...

I had the exact same issue. The rod is probably ruined as well… changed mine. Still waiting on Yamaha for warranty. Until now I didn’t pay anything.

Yea I’m replacing the rod as well for a better peace of mind. I’m going to call them on Monday and see what they say. 

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7/15/2023 1:40pm
Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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Is this something that a lot of folks are having trouble with? First I’m seeing it but looks to have happened to at least a few more folks given the replies. No noise from mine at 30 hours but I’m certainly curious to hear of this is happening to a bunch of bikes 

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7/15/2023 1:42pm
Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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swaldrop wrote:
Is this something that a lot of folks are having trouble with? First I’m seeing it but looks to have happened to at least a few...

Is this something that a lot of folks are having trouble with? First I’m seeing it but looks to have happened to at least a few more folks given the replies. No noise from mine at 30 hours but I’m certainly curious to hear of this is happening to a bunch of bikes 

Guess it is good thing to change your piston in time and replace it with a different brand… 

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Mx286 wrote:
Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours.     

Figured out where the noise was coming from. Luckily caught it before any damage was done. This is at 20hours. 
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tek14 wrote:

Huh that was close. Mine took piston and rest of motor with it.. 

VPG43 wrote:

Did you had any warranty?

Yamaha didnt want to give any. They just pointed manual says 12,5h

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VPG43 wrote:

Guess it is good thing to change your piston in time and replace it with a different brand… 

Havent seen many options yet what brands are offering piston kits?

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tek14 wrote:

Huh that was close. Mine took piston and rest of motor with it.. 

VPG43 wrote:

Did you had any warranty?

tek14 wrote:

Yamaha didnt want to give any. They just pointed manual says 12,5h

That’s sad. 12,5 hours is just insane imo..

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VPG43 wrote:

Guess it is good thing to change your piston in time and replace it with a different brand… 

tek14 wrote:

Havent seen many options yet what brands are offering piston kits?

Pro-x I believe has one.

7/15/2023 2:19pm

Seems like a common fault by sound of it.

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7/15/2023 2:19pm
VPG43 wrote:

Guess it is good thing to change your piston in time and replace it with a different brand… 

tek14 wrote:

Havent seen many options yet what brands are offering piston kits?

VPG43 wrote:

Pro-x I believe has one.

Yikes. Stay away from Pro-X. 

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tek14 wrote:

Havent seen many options yet what brands are offering piston kits?

VPG43 wrote:

Pro-x I believe has one.

Broseph wrote:

Yikes. Stay away from Pro-X. 

Better then breaking OEM piston pins 😅 

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7/15/2023 4:45pm

wtf..all the yz450s before this were known to be tanks that dont break

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VPG43 wrote:

Pro-x I believe has one.

Broseph wrote:

Yikes. Stay away from Pro-X. 

VPG43 wrote:

Better then breaking OEM piston pins 😅 

 😆 Can’t argue with that

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7/15/2023 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2023 7:40pm
VPG43 wrote:

Guess it is good thing to change your piston in time and replace it with a different brand… 

tek14 wrote:

Havent seen many options yet what brands are offering piston kits?

Wossner piston stock compression is available and comes with a wrist pin.

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7/15/2023 7:02pm

Seems Keefer has been holding out on us lol.....kidding. (longer swing arm)

https://www.mxpmag.com/the-matrix-concepts-canada-pit-tour-shawn-maffen…

 

GPrider wrote:
I remember Keefer saying something about longer swing arms a while back, but he just glazed over it. Whats interesting is we know that teams are...

I remember Keefer saying something about longer swing arms a while back, but he just glazed over it. Whats interesting is we know that teams are running the axle all the way back, but I thought that was with the stock swing arm. So Tomac has been running it all the way back on an even longer swing arm? crazy. Must be trying to get as much weight forward as possible for front end traction? Keefer...? I know riding mine on fast stuff the front feels like it is hunt and pecking around, maybe they are on to something

I've been running my 19 all the way back since I got it. Really helps stability, good for whoops and steep hill climbs. The best thing is turning doesn't really feel like it's changed, but the stability is noticable.

7/17/2023 11:27am
Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

Yep, 15 hours on mine, takes forever to start. Once it finally does start, it runs fine though. Took it in this morning, valves are in spec and fuel pump tested good. Going to try changing the map switch to see if that does anything as others suggested.

 

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Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very...

Looking for some help, 23 Yz 450 20 hours. Went to the track today and noticed it took 15 cranks to get the bike started. Very odd considering it starts up first crack. Let the bike warm up, gave it a couple revs and noticed some minor decel popping. Went out on the track, road for about 15 minutes. Bike felt kinda slow. I felt like I was in the full throttle position more than normal, just didn’t feel like it was pulling hard . Came in and put a stock map back in. Started the bike up and it was bogging hard with 3/4 throttle revs. Took the bike out and had major bogg under any load. Came back in let the bike cool down and was hard to start back up. And that’s where I left it. My initial thoughts are  fuel pump issues. Just looking to see if anybody’s had something similar or any insight on a direction for me to go. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks all. 

Yep, 15 hours on mine, takes forever to start. Once it finally does start, it runs fine though. Took it in this morning, valves are in...

Yep, 15 hours on mine, takes forever to start. Once it finally does start, it runs fine though. Took it in this morning, valves are in spec and fuel pump tested good. Going to try changing the map switch to see if that does anything as others suggested.

 

When my engine is cold I have to use the cold start plunger on my 19, even when it's hot out. 

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