Education and professional racing

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Edited Date/Time 6/17/2023 6:32pm

With deegan having a "graduation" ceremony and pulp talking rider education on twitter got me thinking. Should a high school diploma be required in order for riders to turn Pro? I think yes. What does vital think?

If no lets hear your reasoning to not have some form of education. 

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You have to have a high school diploma or studying for it to compete in the 450 class.

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mx313 wrote:

You have to have a high school diploma or studying for it to compete in the 450 class.

Which is good but i dont understand why they wouldn't implement that rule in the 250s instead. Also its the ama the odds of them checking for a diploma is probably fairly low to race a 450. I think in order to get a pro license you need a diploma in hand. 

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mx313 wrote:

You have to have a high school diploma or studying for it to compete in the 450 class.

I'm sure Jett is studying really hard. 

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Should not be required….

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bc775 wrote:
Which is good but i dont understand why they wouldn't implement that rule in the 250s instead. Also its the ama the odds of them checking...

Which is good but i dont understand why they wouldn't implement that rule in the 250s instead. Also its the ama the odds of them checking for a diploma is probably fairly low to race a 450. I think in order to get a pro license you need a diploma in hand. 

I don’t care if you graduated elementary school as long as they keep them out the booth when they retire. 

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The AMA isn't their parents or responsible for them going to school 

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6/17/2023 7:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/17/2023 7:38pm

The AMA isn't their parents or responsible for them going to school 

Well chris like many higher level jobs you would be required to have a high school education to work/compete. Not really that difficult to understand that the ama isnt baby sitting them. Its a cut and dry rule no diploma or equivalent no pro card. 

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Brad460 wrote:

Should not be required….

Whats your reasoning behind it out of curiosity 

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bc775 wrote:
Well chris like many higher level jobs you would be required to have a high school education to work/compete. Not really that difficult to understand that...

Well chris like many higher level jobs you would be required to have a high school education to work/compete. Not really that difficult to understand that the ama isnt baby sitting them. Its a cut and dry rule no diploma or equivalent no pro card. 

What is the reasoning for needing one. These guys aren’t performing rocket surgery or brain science. 
 

 

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soggy wrote:

What is the reasoning for needing one. These guys aren’t performing rocket surgery or brain science. 
 

 

Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back into the real world and having a diploma is going to help with that transition imo. Plus look at any other professional sport they require the athletes to have an education. Also getting a diploma is a great accomplishment and i believe it gives a fairly simple goal while you're young. 

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I'm willing to bet some of the biggest dipshits in our country have high school diplomas . He's getting plenty of education to prepare him for adulthood .

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I'm willing to bet some of the biggest dipshits in our country have high school diplomas . He's getting plenty of education to prepare him for...

I'm willing to bet some of the biggest dipshits in our country have high school diplomas . He's getting plenty of education to prepare him for adulthood .

And I’m willing to bet the bigger ones don’t have a diploma. Lmao 

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bc775 wrote:
Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back...

Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back into the real world and having a diploma is going to help with that transition imo. Plus look at any other professional sport they require the athletes to have an education. Also getting a diploma is a great accomplishment and i believe it gives a fairly simple goal while you're young. 

People are free to make there own decisions. If someone wants to forego and education to try to make it in professional racing that’s there prerogative. Also I would say most of our sports contemporaries, biking, skiing, skateboarding, snowboarding etc don’t require any sort of education. 

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soggy wrote:

What is the reasoning for needing one. These guys aren’t performing rocket surgery or brain science. 
 

 

bc775 wrote:
Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back...

Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back into the real world and having a diploma is going to help with that transition imo. Plus look at any other professional sport they require the athletes to have an education. Also getting a diploma is a great accomplishment and i believe it gives a fairly simple goal while you're young. 

Other sports they might hv a degree only because there on the team. Most read at a 2nd grade level. I know of nfl players that can’t figure out how to write a check to pay a bill & mail it. Not everyone like you thinks a diploma is a feeling of success. I wish I had a much better parent because I would’ve dropped out at 15 to make 400k playing ball. I made 5 times what my sister made at 24. At 20 I made 2 1/2 times more. And she has a masters degree. A lot of people with masters degrees r loosing there jobs now to AI.  I say if your fast enough at 15 you should be pro.  And drop that sx futures bs along with the 60 pro am points to get your pro card.  

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6/17/2023 9:19pm
soggy wrote:

What is the reasoning for needing one. These guys aren’t performing rocket surgery or brain science. 
 

 

bc775 wrote:
Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back...

Its for post moto. Its not to help the guys that are going to make it but the guys that dont. Eventually they will come back into the real world and having a diploma is going to help with that transition imo. Plus look at any other professional sport they require the athletes to have an education. Also getting a diploma is a great accomplishment and i believe it gives a fairly simple goal while you're young. 

Not saying education isn't a good thing, but traditional education shouldn't be a requirement. If you are really good at something and want to go for it who are we to judge? There are many pro sports that accept athletes without education. This includes requirement of a high school diploma. 

Let's face it, many athletes get a pass on education even if they "attain" a diploma, degree, cert, etc...

Also, we are in a different era. Education is available to anyone if the desire is there.

A college degree doesn't mean shit in many fields. Why should a traditional high school diploma be any different?

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It's more of a duty of care. That the athletes don't end up there potentially short career then cannot get a job or look after them selves. Every human on this planet should have a basic high school education. If you don't make your 16 year old child get an education. You are a shit parent.

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Most riders hv rich parents so there set for life anyway. 

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mx313 wrote:

You have to have a high school diploma or studying for it to compete in the 450 class.

109 wrote:

I'm sure Jett is studying really hard. 

Jett has already graduated high school using the on-tracks program.

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mx313 wrote:

You have to have a high school diploma or studying for it to compete in the 450 class.

109 wrote:

I'm sure Jett is studying really hard. 

mx313 wrote:

Jett has already graduated high school using the on-tracks program.

I think you will find that's not the case.

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Other sports they might hv a degree only because there on the team. Most read at a 2nd grade level. I know of nfl players that...

Other sports they might hv a degree only because there on the team. Most read at a 2nd grade level. I know of nfl players that can’t figure out how to write a check to pay a bill & mail it. Not everyone like you thinks a diploma is a feeling of success. I wish I had a much better parent because I would’ve dropped out at 15 to make 400k playing ball. I made 5 times what my sister made at 24. At 20 I made 2 1/2 times more. And she has a masters degree. A lot of people with masters degrees r loosing there jobs now to AI.  I say if your fast enough at 15 you should be pro.  And drop that sx futures bs along with the 60 pro am points to get your pro card.  

brian-regan-confused

 

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You can agree that kids should get a high school degree without making the leap that they should be compelled to do it. The AMA has no business telling someone what level of education they need to achieve to race. No different than if your employer told you that you had to run a mile in a certain time if you want to keep your job in your cubicle. It's for your own good but has nothing to do with the job.

This educational pathway that has been romanticized in the United States is largely garbage and a waste of time. Employers are starting to realize that as well. Nobody is or isn't getting a job these days based on high school degree. There is a limited window of time to pursue racing and dropping out of school is the norm for elite youth sports that don't depend on the college model. Getting a GED or high school degree through an online program is a choice that any of these guys can make when the time comes. If someone uses lack of high school degree as their excuse for their next 40 years of working life instead of taking some basic steps to get more, that's on them. 

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I voted yes but its all about perspective. Some people have a hard time learning. Others find joy in it. I think professional racers are naturally quick witted and smart. They have to absorb information so quickly as they race. Thats a smart brain. Maybe not book smart. Still a sharp person. 

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Some of the best paid dudes I know ditched conventional school and went into trade programs and moved on from there and built on their experience.

Everyone is different.

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Everybody is well educated that's on the track lately. I mean they're getting schooled every race by Mr. Lawrence. 

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6/18/2023 12:58am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2023 1:12am
truck wrote:
You can agree that kids should get a high school degree without making the leap that they should be compelled to do it. The AMA has...

You can agree that kids should get a high school degree without making the leap that they should be compelled to do it. The AMA has no business telling someone what level of education they need to achieve to race. No different than if your employer told you that you had to run a mile in a certain time if you want to keep your job in your cubicle. It's for your own good but has nothing to do with the job.

This educational pathway that has been romanticized in the United States is largely garbage and a waste of time. Employers are starting to realize that as well. Nobody is or isn't getting a job these days based on high school degree. There is a limited window of time to pursue racing and dropping out of school is the norm for elite youth sports that don't depend on the college model. Getting a GED or high school degree through an online program is a choice that any of these guys can make when the time comes. If someone uses lack of high school degree as their excuse for their next 40 years of working life instead of taking some basic steps to get more, that's on them. 

Real education for most good jobs nowadays starts after a high school degree ; unless it is a technical degree, which is as great to have, particularly in the US/Commonwealth (which is quite a specificity as technical/manual jobs elsewhere are usually not well paid). So for me, I would be in favor of whatever degree, but at least 1.

With the high school degree though, the athletes, and more importantly the athletes who didn't make it, they can go almost in any field they want after their career. More choices, more doors opened. Also, lots of successful athletes go broke, mainly because they didn't have enough education. Most athletes/young hopes and their families are also all in, and not all are loaded (especially the ones who don't make it), so a frame or a safety net is nice to have, even a must.

I am not saying a high school degree would be the solution or that the school system is not broken but until I am proven wrong having any proper education still helps to continue to learn, grow and develop some kind of reasoning as well as some social skills (like being more open-minded, more humble - the more we know the less we feel know-it all, and being less violent as we are more thinking before doing some BS). A degree also helps later as it is easier to change of job or to get more education when the market is changing quickly. For all the reasons I think any degree should be a must.

I think there will be a big change when a top rider will promote a good uni (also on TV), and I think this community need that. That could be a great marketing opportunity for the uni and that would help to grow the sport further as many parents would be less scared to bring their kids into moto. Heck I am dreaming but based on how Haiden managed to get his high school degree at only 17, I am pretty sure he could get a part time Bachelor degree in any field and in any uni. The real problem is logistics ; why could not there be a little moto lobby that ask/partner with a great uni to offer some on-line (part-time) bachelor degrees ?

Why great unis mainly offer online master degrees? (Stanford seems to be offering a great bachelor like that)

https://online.stanford.edu/graduate-courses-certificates

https://extension.harvard.edu/academics/?live_global%5BrefinementList%5…

https://online.wharton.upenn.edu/

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There are countless online bachelor's degree programs available. It isn't access that is preventing riders from getting any of these degrees, it's the desire to get them that is missing. All of the benefits that are perceived to come from an education don't happen when you mandate a degree and those who aren't interested just buy a GED. 

Pursuing education is good. Mandating that others pursue education so you can feel better about the realities of the sport is not good.

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truck wrote:
There are countless online bachelor's degree programs available. It isn't access that is preventing riders from getting any of these degrees, it's the desire to get...

There are countless online bachelor's degree programs available. It isn't access that is preventing riders from getting any of these degrees, it's the desire to get them that is missing. All of the benefits that are perceived to come from an education don't happen when you mandate a degree and those who aren't interested just buy a GED. 

Pursuing education is good. Mandating that others pursue education so you can feel better about the realities of the sport is not good.

True, there are countless online bachelor's degree programs, but most are not really legit. It is also possible to buy a Phd in that sense. That is why it is necessary to go to really good unis especially if it is an online or hybrid program. 

A high school degree or GED or A level or whatever degree for a 18 years old is just starting life with the basics. Then yeah, they can get more later. Having a superstar with a higher education would make a positive splash as many kids would not give the pretext that they should stop school so they can become the next top athletes. 

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How can you make a high school diploma a requirement when you can turn pro before you'd finish school?

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I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere, but did anyone think having Tim Cotter as ‘master of ceremonies’ and presenting Deegan’s graduation, was a bit of poor form given what went on with ‘claimgate’ in the not so distant past?

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CPR wrote:
I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere, but did anyone think having Tim Cotter as ‘master of ceremonies’ and presenting Deegan’s graduation, was a bit of poor...

I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere, but did anyone think having Tim Cotter as ‘master of ceremonies’ and presenting Deegan’s graduation, was a bit of poor form given what went on with ‘claimgate’ in the not so distant past?

Help explains how things went down at LL, good ol boys club protects their own 

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