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A yzf 450 has about 32lbft at 7200rpm.
Okay, so the varg has more HP than a 450,
But the varg is also more heavy than a 450 ( even with "trick" inner tubes)
So if a pro rider was doing lap times, would the extra HP compensate for the extra weight , or would it just end up equal with a 450 ?
Everyone knows a 440 has to much power and a 250 is more then enough. And that a 250s lap time is as fast as a 450
So all that extra power? Unless your pinned on a 450 it won't make any difference.
As for the highest level pro. It would probably be similar unless the power is much more user friendly.
No gears, no clutch. Would that make it harder thru corners, braking, ruts? It could make technical riding harder. It could make it easier. So that's where I think the main time will be made or lost.
In all the promotion videos the lap times for established media guys who are trusted to test all the other bikes , they saw a reduction of multiple seconds a lap
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So your telling me. In a stark promotion video they saw a reduction in lap time 🤯 what a surprise.
Also wasn't all the testing done at 1 place in a controlled test done by stark? From memory there was not ice bikes there for riders to compare it to. It was simply a stark launch.
Not hating on the stark but your story sounds bs to me. And I would never believe any manufacturer saying this is how big the improvement is.
At the end of the day if I'm riding a track with a choppy straight I can do 40mph on Into a 15mph corner upto a 60ft jump. It doesn't matter if the bike can do 200 mph. You can only ride as fast as track conditions allow. And that doesn't matter if your a c vet or jett lawrence and that's why lap times between 250s and 450s are within a second.
They had one of every brand 450 to use at the Stark media day if I remember correctly, a few people said they were faster on the 450 of their choice due to familiarity. It wasn't all ass kissing.
Results no surprise, but is anyone saying they need more HP than a 450?
Focus has to be on weight reduction and quicker charge times..
You said from memory so were you at the media day?
There was ICE bikes there for the media to ride as well.
You have some crazy hot takes on this forum and not a lot seems to stick.
The bike is customizable from 10-80hp. Noone is going to ride on a motocross track with more than a 65hp setting imo. Its faster than a 450 at 60hp setting. The beauty of this bike is that it can be tailored for any rider. This dyno validates Stark's claim of up to 30% more peak power than a 450, but that's just one metric. In 80hp mode the bike has a lot more than +30% acceleration.
The peak HP number is impressive, but the linearity of the power curve is a thing of beauty.
Stark claims 80 hp: reality18.5% less, giving 67.5 hp.
Stark claims a certain weight; bike comes in miles heavier.
Stark claims 17000 sold: still not a single average customer's bike in the wild, 19 months in.
The usual trolls are here I see , they need a stark hating thread ....an
Stark said the bike would kill a 450 in power and it did ,and you can have any power from 10 to 80, try that on a 450....
Another claim verified
So it’s fast
You can stuff some rags in the air box and get it down a ways and it may still start.
No I am telling you that all the people you trust to test ice bikes said themselves that lap times were less against the 450 of THEIR CHOICE
If you are not trusting of their opinions you had better not read a single article in future as they had pretty much every major outlet bar mxa ...
No one doubted them if they said an ice brand made them faster
It's a simple fact a bike with no clutch , no gears , good mapping , very low centre of gravity , no vibration will turn faster lap times than an ice bike with it's inherent flaws which are many
So it’s fast and performs well. We already know that. That’s good. No need to keep over hammering that point. You sound like you’re really getting worked up.
So are you saying that they tested the stark against 450s on the same day, at the same track ?
And compared lap times ?
I must have missed that test , where can I find it , please ?
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Nope just setting the record straight , very calm here
No need to reply any further , can chat about the Dyno ,it's unlike any mxbike ever made , the most hp and the most tunable , from a company that's never made a single motorcycle ever....
Simply astonishing
Yeah, the same media test day that you are referring to. In fact they had an active pro MX racer from England who races an FC 450 there. He turned 3 laps on a stock FC 450, then got on the Varg and was seconds a lap faster on it.
Astonishing? Everything you said was good until that.
Look, this is Bryan’s little expensive project. And yeah it’s cool, no doubt. Glad for him.
But some if you guys have like a weird crusader-type pressure or something “off”.
https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/10/article/stark-varg-review/
That was the first one that popped up. That was the setup for all the media intros they did last year I think. So you can probably pick any outlet and see what they thought back to back.
Bold statement, no other manufacturer is gonna have all the other bikes there to ride back to back at an intro.
It is truly astonishing yes , double the torque at almost half the revs if the very powerful yzf 450
And you can detune it to 10hp
What word words would you prefer ?
Amazing , incredible, unreal , next to impossible...
A yzf has gained a few hp in 10 years , the stark made it look weak ...
As Bryan said you can set it to10 hp for a novice and 80hp for a pro , astonishing yes
Test rider roundtable of ride day. Comparisons with all the gas bikes at about 51 min mark:
You should know that getting the same number on any 2 different dynos is unlikely , and did they claim that number measured in a specific way? With UTV's manufactures will put out claimed HP ratings. And those are based off the power at the crank before drivetrain loss. I do not remember seeing HP numbers for MX bikes other than when they get dynoed during a test. If they did state HP I'm guessing they would go off the crank like Honda, Kawasaki,Yamaha, etc. do with UTV's. So it would make sense for Stark to also state the HP before the drivetrain. Somebody was saying that Stark has a claimed torque # at the rear wheel. If that comes back way off then I'll give you that.
The weight change is somewhat a valid argument.
As far as the # sold. I do not think they have used the term "sold". Pre orders , or deposits . And really there is not anything saying they did not "sell" the number claimed either.
And we can come back around to their claim of making the best MX bike. as far as power and controlling the power. I think it is clear that the Varg is the best at that . You might not be able to get the long runtime that would bring it to Goldmember approved standards yet. But look at cordless tools from 20 years ago VS 10 years ago, and then today. By the time Kawasaki is all electric I bet they will have a way around the range and or charging speeds.
Or maybe if the bikes are a lot better , and more people want to ride them VS gas bikes. Maybe they have classes tailored to electric. SX has the triple crown style races. And 2 bikes are allowed for those. You could probably run a triple crown style race with a top pro and 2 Vargs.
Yes for sure aware of this..my thinking (for example) was could the motor be smaller (less weight) by spec-ing it for max 60hp? Or is a 60HP motor the same size as a 80 HP motor?
I must say, I admire your commitment to waste huge amounts of your life shit talking a bike that has absolutely zero affect on your life.
It's admirable to find a cause and stick with it, keep it up little buddy.....
That was one of the things that stuck out to me. How a rider was faster quickly on a bike he had never ridden VS one of the same brand that he has been racing. Even if he was the same speed , it would have shown the Varg is a great bike. It sounds like there is a learning curve with jumping and I'm sure other things. To me it makes it more impressive that a majority of riders were faster on the Varg than the ICE bikes. Even given that they may have picked a track that gave the varg an advantage. It just shows that there are tracks that would favor a Varg.
On the last Gypsy Tales that Anton was on , he was talking about how fast they will be able to build the bikes when they can run the assembly line at full speed. I can not remember an exact # but it was pretty impressive. I am hopeful that day comes soon.
Same ,it's software only
It's the battery that's the real weight , but solid state battieries are starting to be produced , they have double the capacity, and much reduced charging times
This was my main question too, hoping I could get the 80 hp model and set it to 50 for even more life, but apparently the only difference is firmware, same motor/battery in each.
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