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It makes no sense to keep them in their own class, it's very easy to limit power output to fit the current 450 and 250 class models. There is already a plan in place to make this happen, and you'll be seeing them in SX sooner than people think. . .
So I read all your hate on the E bike. And I wonder what it is that you really hate. All the shit you post seems kind of childish. If you look at ICE bikes. They are a mature technology. We get tiny increments of advancement every year. This is brand new tech in it's infancy that will radically change even from month to month let alone year to year. What exactly is it that's got the sand so far up there in you? LIke really? It was said "this will be the best bike ever". Do think anyone that ever built something didn't believe that about what they were going to build? Of course people think that, or why would they build something new if they didn't think it would be an improvement over what's available? So you're upset over someone's enthusiasm of their life's work? Even IF some of the things you posted had any validity, they'll be outdated before you hit post, the technology is changing that fast. You must like reading how the new bike models get BOLD NEW GRAPHICS
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Like 300SX and 350SXF, the public (money flush vets) will buy what they want. Pro races will go where the factories tell the AMA to go. Doesn't matter if there is a racing class. If there is, fine, if not, fine too.
I used to be indifferent on these things and figured they'll either work well or they won't, but now that I've read a few of these threads and have seen how emotionally and irrationally committed to their failure that some people are, I hope they are a huge success! So weird to be so invested in hoping something fails when you could just ignore it and live your life..... If you're so convinced you're right then they'll go away soon enough. It's almost like you don't even believe your own BS.....
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No sir, that's Gaston Rahier, 125cc world champion and my favorite racer of all time. And were I to put myself forth as if I were actually him, I think you'd have a point worth making. I don't, never have, and never will. Mav, on the other hand........ well, I think I've made my view of him clear. I don't dislike him or anything, but he acts like he just buzzed the tower and is about to bang a young, busty, Kelly McGillis, and he didn't, and he isn't.
It was a rhetorical question.
Just for full disclosure I am not actually a purple cartoon ape.
What happened to you having way more important things to do, and being way to passionate about your career, and essentially being too good to post here...remember your long winded, multi-post, exit speech?
Honestly, the grandiloquence in every single one of your posts is way over the top.
And for the record, that is me in my avatar...
WTF? You're not a purple cartoon ape? Who knew?
You guys do realize that the big manufacturers like Honda and KTM have been working on building these for a couple years don't you? I have seen a video of 2 of the E Hondas on a MX track.
The E SX class is a lot closer than you think once the other manufacturers release them.
And Unfortunately the manufacturers have been involved in the rulemaking for years. I agree that banning it only helps stark. But its also not able to meet current rules so I would be more surprised to see it be allowed quickly, than to see them drag their feet . I hope that the other brands are working on bikes of their own too. But everything has a beginning and an end. At one point Hodak's were the best bikes around weren't they? And Honda was considered cheap junk along with other japanese made stuff.
I think they should be let into the 450 classes. But I will be surprised if it happens before 2026. I really do hope I am surprised. I see many upsides to them. And I have been excited about them since first reading about and seeing the Redshift renders that became Alta redshift .
If I had to say based off what I've seen, read and heard about both Stark and Alta. I would say that Alta was trying to be bought. based off of their long public development and short life after bringing a bike to market.
I'd love emx bikes in supercross...the four strokes are so loud in those stadiums, it just becomes one loud roar rather than specific engine noises...I'd love to be able to hear myself think during the races.
Motocross though? It wouldn't be the same without the sound of the engines...watching the best in the world blast out of a turn at Southwick, just won't be the same without the exhaust note.
Splitting hairs.
And again I say: We. Shall. See.
If I were the head of the AMA, I'd be having my legal team pepper me with practice questions as to why the sport had no problem with letting Josh Hill ride an Alta against other pro riders on two-stroke 250s in Red Bull Straight Rhythm for a $100,000.00 purse, but sees it as catastrophic to the sport to have him (or anyone else) compete against 450s in professional Supercross (450s that can, and do, compete on-par against 250 2-strokes). And should his answer portray him as being full of shit and motivated by a fear he has of the backlash, financial and otherwise, he'll get from the existing OEMs for letting the Varg in? An antitrust lawsuit will surely follow, and I for one wouldn't bet against it winning. The AMA has been full of crap for as long as I've been aware of its existence, with the "age out" rule being a perfect example. There no legally defensible reason to exclude someone from competing in a sport due to the inevitable advancement of age. It's ludicrous, absolutely moronic. This issue has been a winnable lawsuit looking for a place to happen for years upon years now, it's just that no one has had the stones to bring it.
But I digress.
Will the Varg race pro Supercross in 2023? Doubtful. In '24? You bet your ass.
Bite me.
How's that? Better?
You lose all credibility with that argument when you compare Red Bull Straight Rhythm to AMA Supercross and Motocross.
It's not even in the same universe.
You are aware of the AMA does not have a rider age out rule LOL! You seem to have a lot of time on your hands you might want to look this stuff up!
I really hope that you are right about seeing a Varg in 2024. The Red Bull thing is not really supported by all of the manufacturers like SX and MX. And is not an AMA sanctioned race. I remember reading about how each manufacturer has somebody on the AMA board and they vote the rules into place. That was a long while ago that I read that so it might have changed. I'm glad to see you back .
I know that there was an agreement made to develop a standard battery between most of the current manufacturers. So we have to assume that they have electric MX bikes being developed . Who knows where they are in development. How quickly the Varg is let in, might shed some light on how far away those bikes might be. Or atleast the rules they try and get put in place may give some insight . Starting with more of a blank sheet of paper than I expect the current manufactures to have started with. Stark might have a big head start . WIth the current brands , there could be existing engineers that are stuck in their ways , or that would not have a job if they went all electric. I could see a similar division inside those companies to the one of the general public and this thread.
No matter how you feel about them, it is exciting to be around during what could be a big evolution in motorsports.
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Well, it’s just my opinion…some people like the noise in supercross…I’m fine agreeing to disagree on it.
Actually, yes.
The problem with the big guys developing something like this is they can't pivot. They get so invested in a design that midway through, a new tech comes along they cannot incorporate it into their design. Now in a mature ICE market they shine, but in new emerging tech market, they are smarter to let others develop and then just buy the best complete design. There's too many variables for them to come out with the latest and greatest because their production cycle is measured in years. This tech is moving too fast for them to keep up.
LOL so much wrong in your post I don’t even know where to start?
care to share your dealers number. They’ve apparently got the high test shit.
What if Stark went through Feld directly and sponsored an exhibition race during SX? Maybe start with 6 - 10 guys and only at the triple crown races or something. Don’t need to involve the AMA. Feld owns SX and want sponsor money this could be a good platform to get exposure on a real sx track for stark.
Hot take saying Stark won’t make it into the supercross season that already ended
Yes, we've seen those videos. I am holding out for a Honda but for how long? If it isn't in the next 3 years I'll go with a Varg once the lead time is reasonable.
Didn’t Pit of KTM recently come out and say they were done with electric stuff for now? Didn’t he say at the current time electric race bikes were not very feasible? Even if what he thinks is true I don’t think they should stop trying and developing things for the future, shit is just to hard to predict. But I’m not very smart enough like some people here so who knows 🍻
2hr tire check on the Varg. 3 broken knobbies already. Nice, Pirelli. The Bridgestone Battlecross X31's i run on my Alta never do this. Guess im changing tires already.
I don't know but if he did, but that's pretty good PR. What company in their right mind would actually come out and say "we don't care what you want, we don't want to spend the money to design it because there's no ROI. Because by the time we come out with it, it's out dated"
What Pit said is that the power density of current battery technology cannot support anything larger than a 125cc play bike (or something to that effect); there is no way that the current battery tech can provide anything close to what a gas engine can in terms of range and run time at the pro MX level or offroad.
I don't care for the hyperbole either for or against the Stark, but the laws of physics still apply. Doesn't mean I'm not taking delivery of my Varg, but if I go through with it I'll do it with my eyes open and utilize it for shorter rides (and hopefully someday on my own property so I don't piss off my neighbors). It has its place, but without significant leaps in battery tech it simply cannot compete head-to-head at the pro level, no matter how much folks want to believe it can.
You realize how fast the tech is changing though right?
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