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Again, I don't understand the point some of you are trying to make. Ya, no shit the grid can't handle a massive wave of electric cars, that's not some novel conclusion that people are just now waking up to that's been evident to anyone clued in for a very long time. We're talking about an electric dirtbike we all want to just have fun on and somehow you whack jobs have extrapolated way past the relevant part of the data curve into a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with what this thread is about. We're not talking about electrification, we're not talking about smart fridges, we're talking about an electric dirtbike from a PRIVATE (read: not the government) company that wants to make a performance product to compete with gas machines and profit from that vision. What the hell is so hard to grasp about that? Nobody buying a Stark wants to take your gas bike away, Stark does not want to take your gas bike away, what massive chasm of logic are you jumping over to connect all of this together?
Now we wait for AI to read your post.
P.S. It was on point
Left Hand Rear Brake is a game changer.
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The Rekluse bros have had it for 20yrs.
You can't fuck with money.
Kenny Zahrt had it well before that even.
Zahrt the Dart ! The guy weighed 150 lbs , as long as he had 20 lbs of lead in his pocket !
He sure as Hell could ride tho……
Couldn't stand the handlebar rear brake when I tried one. A game changer would be a very personal opinion there.
What bike did you try it on? I first tried it on my Alta MXR a few years ago and I didnt like it. On the Varg i had a much different experience and was shocked how good it was.
To be fair, EV bikes are being portrayed (even in this thread) as the "Future of the Sport", not "A Future of Part of the Sport".
Small world. Doosan Fuel Cell is South Windsor is one of my customers.
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I tried it for my two last sessions on the Stark and loved it. First, having a lever on the left seems more normal to me, it felt weird having nothing there. Once i was used to it, it was indeed a game changer. For me, i can understand it's not the case for eveyone.
I have the Clake Brake on my 300 TPI (with the rear brake) and is (IMV) a game changer. I ride a lot of techncial single track and it is awesome. It is a learned skill as my Freeride and my Epure have the left hand brake - come to think about is so does my E-Mtn Bike.
My gas MX bikes don't have the left brake and never will.....
There are companies that will PAY YOU to build a solar field on YOUR land. And give you long term contracts. They build and handle all of the costs when they get all of the power and then PAY the owners. It would be an additional stream of money for the track. Maybe the money that the owner would normally be paid could go into the carport like structure . They already build frames to elevate the panels off the ground. Maybe they just elevate the panels up high enough to drive under and there is not much shade. Or just have people charge themselves.
For the electric haters , why do you choose to believe the people saying that gas stuff will be outlawed over the ones saying it will not be? I keep checking to make sure I clicked on the review thread because it just keeps going so off subject its crazy. All of the same evils keep being brought up over and over. If you really believe that gas bikes will be outlawed and it bothers you that much, do something real about it. Posting the same tired arguments over and over to a group of people that already support keeping gas bikes around for whoever wants to buy one is not going to do much to help save them if they are going to be killed off.
Any review that says the bike is really good is written off as paid or propaganda . Until somebody comes out with a review that says something bad about the bike all of the haters of electric on here wil keep saying the same things. All of the same media that puts out the gas bike tests and shootouts have all ridden and reviewed the Varg. They even had the current gas 450's there at the time to compare side by side. And you guys will not believe a review until a hard core 2 stroke lover like Ronnie Mac gets on one and says how bad it is because its not loud enough, and doesn't vibrate enough for you. What if the bike is really good? Maybe its good enough that its worth putting up with having to deal with charging and the downtime you'll have. And again for the people who dislike them, just keep riding your gas bikes. I'm just so blown away at how divided people are about a new option .
I don't hate electric bikes. I don't care how my MX bike is powered as long as it's fun to ride.
This is a Stark Varg review thread, but as far as I know nobody has actually ridden a production Varg. That's why the speculation is all over the place. If energy storage issues are solved, solar farming could potentially be viable as part of a charging source, but I'm not sure you have a realistic idea how large a solar array would have to be (at current tech) to provide enough energy to charge 100 dirtbikes.
If a track owner can't find a way to make charging stations a major revenue boost he is a terrible businessman. Sell the rights to a 3rd party or invest in the infrastructure yourself, either way the track owner would have close to a monopoly on "race fuel".
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I think You have the record for the longest posts on vital….holy smokes bro…every one of your posts is a novel…less is more sometimes.
Im not an electric hater…I own an electric dirt bike. And I love it…except the range.
I think if I ever tried a hand brake I would have to go with a cycling setup of rear brake on the right front on the left. Or just stick to the standard moto and mtb setups.
I may have said the same thing as sasquatch in my reply to you, but I don't know because TLDR. lol
Why would they need to charge 100 bikes at a time? Lets assume the Varg can go 25 minutes at Pro speed. a lot of C class and vet racers could possible get practice and a Moto , maybe 2 out of a charge. How often do you fill your tank? Its been a longtime since I raced , but I could do my practice , and 2 motos at southwick on a single tank on my 450 in the B class. 3 laps practice, 4 lap first moto and 20 plus 2 second moto. So if a Emx bike has a similar range you wouldn't need to charge from 0 to 100% for many people.
And I do not have a real idea as far as the amount of panels it would take. But like I said, if you have a solar farm , you would have a connection to the grid. So maybe the meter spins backwards on off days and you pull power on race days. either way you have the connection to the grid power to supplement the solar and have that beefy grid connection to handle the power that would be needed to charge the bikes.
I think that by the time there are that many electric MX bikes at a track , the charging speeds will be much faster than now. I think the average racer might top off their charge and might just need to go from 40% to 75% to be able to run their motos. You do not need to go from empty to 100% every time you charge. They do not have the memory issues nicads do.
I imagine that the amount of power it takes to charge a EMX bike up would be less than a Tesla model 3. Which costs $10-$15 to charge from close to 0 to 100% at my rates at my shop. If you charged $20 per day or $10 per charge for charging acces that should be profitable if your able to get a solar farm and the grid connection in for free or be paid for it. There are so many things that will cost less with electric, and some that will cost more. When I was working for a developer the power company would give us the wire for free to run the underground power in the new roads and also to the houses. They charged for poles, but if we dug and buried the wire it was free.
I know that less can be more. But I am lazy and just type my thoughts out as they come through my head. And if you do not hate electric bikes then your not a hater of electric bikes.So wouldn't that not apply to you?
Hasn't Brian ridden a production Varg?
I think that most of the electric haters have never ridden or driven a performance electric vehicle and are going off of 3rd party info. Of course range and charging speed will be issues at first. But like I've said a million times, todays EV's will not be tomorrow's EV's and for EV's to overtake Gas and Diesel they will have to have longer range and quicker charging speeds to be viable for some of the market.
Look at the price of any new electronic tech when it first came out VS at its peak use and end of life cycle. VCR's were $400 in the 1980's when they first came out and by the time they died off you could get a new VCR/DVD combo for $79.99. Camcorders, $1000+ at first around the sametime. now you can get a camera with better image quality and more storage space for $60 or less. Big screen TV's same thing. 3or 4K for a 65" now you can get one for $299. If and when bigger manufactures like Honda get into electric they will be able to share so much more between models as far as powertrain and then the cost goes way down to produce the bikes. As soon as somebody is able to make a competitive EMX bike the clock starts to a countdown to when the prices can be half of what they are to begin with. All it takes is one company to do it and the others will have to also. The motors could be shared across all types of vehicles if they design them from the start to be able to work that way. Have 5 motors that could handle the entire range of bikes,atv's and UTV's maybe even extend into cars by using multiple motors and or in wheel motors.
I hope they can start delivering bikes soon so we can all see how they really are. And remember no matter how good the Varg is, its just the start. Its kinda like the YZ426 where the 400 was the Alta. And then compared to todays 450's. The Varg may not be the bike of tomorrow, it might be, But if its close, it will be the spark that started to epower revolution.
PS. I'm slowly working towards filling an entire page with single reply. LOL, just kidding, or am I......
Can you imagine talking to him in person, I bet he never shuts up
I give him a thumbs down for every post over 5 lines long so 95% of his ramblings gets the thumbs down even if I bail on reading more than a couple lines.
I liked it on the KTM Freeride... until I clutched it.
I love the handlebar rear brake on my Freeride. My track has some steep downhills, and being able to simply squeeze the bike with your knees while you gauge the pressure of each brake with your hands allows for much clearer information about what's happening vis-a-vis traction. My foot cannot offer me nearly as much input, largely because it's stuck in a boot. It's just one of many things that will take some getting used to, I suppose, but much like the electric start button on ICE bikes, eventually there comes a moment when you go, "Whoops, I didn't think I would, but I actually LIKE this."
Stark better hurry and release these before Surron catches up. The Ultra Bee already provides pretty damn good performance comparatively. At half the price of the Stark it's not an exact moto replacement but for messing around $6500 is much easier to swallow than $13.5k.
I've tried it on at Alta, a Freeride, and on a regular KTM 450 SX-F. Hated it on all three. Personal opinion of course, but really didn't like it.
Curious. Was it a comfort thing? Would it have made a difference if it was setup like a MTB bike?
Do you ride mtn bikes often? It seems like one of those things you’d get used to after a little while riding with it. I have no experience with it on a moto but the benefits seem undeniable once you get accustomed to it.
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