Stark Varg Reviews

davis224 wrote:

Ok, now that we've covered snake ID, where will page 50 end up? Differentiating mountain lion/coyote tracks? Spaghetti recipes? Upright weld techniques?

Sandusky26 wrote:

We call them water moccasins. The correct name is cottonmouth. From the photo it looks like what we call a chicken snake.  For what it's worth...

We call them water moccasins. The correct name is cottonmouth.

From the photo it looks like what we call a chicken snake. 

For what it's worth I've been bit by a chicken snake.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

fourfourone wrote:

Do you have a flip phone? 

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Damn, that sux.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

 This is what a DeWalt battery did to my parents garage last night.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Damn, that sux.

Sandusky26 wrote:

Could have been much worse, nothing super valuable was damaged and my parents have insurance. One window, 5 studs, 1 sheet of osb, some wiring and...

Could have been much worse, nothing super valuable was damaged and my parents have insurance. One window, 5 studs, 1 sheet of osb, some wiring and couple coats of Kilz and were dialed.

Sandusky26 wrote:

 I killed this fucker with my bare hands

 I killed this fucker with my bare hands

Silas444 wrote:

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with...

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with him in a corner. Surely you don't actually think the E-Motocross bike storm will blow over and your ICE-bike kingdom will be restored, do you? If you do, well that's just sad. It ain't happening, bud. To believe that is to believe that snake wouldn't have bitten you if given the chance.

Allow me to clarify my point. As a private track owner who successfully beat back lawsuits by both the E.P.A. and F.E.M.A., I can tell you, by way of actual experience rather than biased opinion, that the Feds give you two options: give an inch, or lose a mile. I gave an inch, and my track survived their assault. Two other private track owners a few minutes away from me didn't budge, and that gave the Feds the opportunity they needed, and they ruined both of them. Bankrupt, tracks gone, broke, busted, helpless, hopeless, penniless. And the bureaucrat that did it to them got promoted, which is exactly what she was seeking when she filed her lawsuits against us in the first place. They're coming for us all, yes, hell I had giant, black, sonar-equipped government  planes circling my property surveilling the piss out of it, for Christ's sake. it was terrifying, yes, but they only win if you give them the OPPORTUNITY, and this confoundingly stupid-ass hope you have that the Varg will fail offers you nothing but the potential for a Pyrrhic Victory. 

So then, all you dumbshits reading this need to start your re-education by looking up two things: (1.) Pyrrhic Victory. (2.) the Sackett v. E.P.A. court case. That Supreme Court case is easily the most informative thing you'll ever read about the utterly cutthroat, unflinchingly vicious, nature of our opponent, Uncle Sam. I know the case's particulars by heart, and so should you.

NEXT: I once had to console one of my best friends after someone had just died in his arms. A man had passed on after his bike hit a false neutral on a jump face on a track my friend had just finished building minutes before. He was almost inconsolable. So then, forgive me if I don't share a conviction that the Varg having no gearbox and thus no potential for false neutrals makes it sacrilegious.

NEXT: I once waited for what seemed like forever for a LifeFlight to arrive and carry off a lovely, gifted young racer with multiple internals injuries and broken bones, including a compounded femur that was sticking right out of his pants and into the fresh air, after his top-end seized on a different jump face. So then, forgive me here as well, if I don't share a conviction that the Varg not having a piston to seize ALSO makes it sacrilegious. Never saw that kid again, by the way, as his riding days were done.

NEXT: As someone who has owned his own tracks for decades now, I have naturally met other track owners as well, for it's something of a club. Most guys had private tracks like me, but some some had public ones, and you lilly-fingered keyboard-typing dipshits have NO IDEA the physical and financial struggle they go through to keep this sport alive. It's not like we private owners have it easy, god knows, I probably spend 40 hours working on my track for every fifteen minutes I spend riding it, but we've got it easy COMPARED TO THEM. Of all the owners I've known, maybe one out of five is still in business, with the vast, vast majority of them having lost their tracks due to noise complaints. This horrific, extinction-level noise pollution crisis is a GLOBAL one, governments everywhere are using it as their preferred weapon of choice in shutting down tracks and bankrupting track owners. It's like a knife to them, and your opposition to anything E-related is like a file they get to use to hone that knife to a razor's edge. So once more, forgive me if I don't share your tendency toward genuflection at the sound of a poorly-muffled 450, for I see it for what it is: an assassin coming to kill off something I've loved since I was a little kid. Let there be no doubt here, the Stark Varg is, at least for now, our only counter-assassin. 

NEXT: The battery. E-bike technology is the only real hope the sport of motocross has for long-term survival, for reasons I just wrote about (fewer catastrophic injuries, elimination of noise issues) so one more time, forgive me if I appear apathetic about whether the Varg will handle a 30-minute mudder or a 30-plus-2 sand track romp or a dessert run or a GNCC. With all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about anything but whether it will work on an average motocross loop on an average day for an average rider - and we already know it will, with ease. The only other option we have is more of what we're getting right now, which is fewer and fewer tracks in operation, so don't be a "uselful idiot" (look it up) and make the perfect the enemy of the good. 

LAST: If I'm to be candid here, I should mention that I'm playing with house money. Between myself and two good friends, we own a total of 400 acres up here, with almost 100 of them waterfront. There's two tracks now and another in progress, so I have zero fear of not having a place to ride whatever the hell I choose to, whenever the hell I want to. I also have a sports car collection in my barn that's begun to ask for more of my attention, and because I'm 62, slowly switching my hobby over to car racing seems to have gained a little momentum. We'll see. So no, none of this will affect me directly. My dog in the hunt is a newborn kid out there somewhere who will one day hope to be a great motocross racer, because a million years ago I had a Z50 that I rode all-day-every-day in the field next to my house hoping to one day be like Ake Jonsson on his Maico. Plain and simple, I'll be damned if I'll stay silent while that newborn kid's future opportunity to find joy riding in the field next to his house is mindlessly fucked with by all you feckless, conspiracy-theorist, morons.

Yeah, you know who you are. 

 

Sandusky26 wrote:

 I killed this fucker with my bare hands

 I killed this fucker with my bare hands

Silas444 wrote:

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with...

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with him in a corner. Surely you don't actually think the E-Motocross bike storm will blow over and your ICE-bike kingdom will be restored, do you? If you do, well that's just sad. It ain't happening, bud. To believe that is to believe that snake wouldn't have bitten you if given the chance.

Allow me to clarify my point. As a private track owner who successfully beat back lawsuits by both the E.P.A. and F.E.M.A., I can tell you, by way of actual experience rather than biased opinion, that the Feds give you two options: give an inch, or lose a mile. I gave an inch, and my track survived their assault. Two other private track owners a few minutes away from me didn't budge, and that gave the Feds the opportunity they needed, and they ruined both of them. Bankrupt, tracks gone, broke, busted, helpless, hopeless, penniless. And the bureaucrat that did it to them got promoted, which is exactly what she was seeking when she filed her lawsuits against us in the first place. They're coming for us all, yes, hell I had giant, black, sonar-equipped government  planes circling my property surveilling the piss out of it, for Christ's sake. it was terrifying, yes, but they only win if you give them the OPPORTUNITY, and this confoundingly stupid-ass hope you have that the Varg will fail offers you nothing but the potential for a Pyrrhic Victory. 

So then, all you dumbshits reading this need to start your re-education by looking up two things: (1.) Pyrrhic Victory. (2.) the Sackett v. E.P.A. court case. That Supreme Court case is easily the most informative thing you'll ever read about the utterly cutthroat, unflinchingly vicious, nature of our opponent, Uncle Sam. I know the case's particulars by heart, and so should you.

NEXT: I once had to console one of my best friends after someone had just died in his arms. A man had passed on after his bike hit a false neutral on a jump face on a track my friend had just finished building minutes before. He was almost inconsolable. So then, forgive me if I don't share a conviction that the Varg having no gearbox and thus no potential for false neutrals makes it sacrilegious.

NEXT: I once waited for what seemed like forever for a LifeFlight to arrive and carry off a lovely, gifted young racer with multiple internals injuries and broken bones, including a compounded femur that was sticking right out of his pants and into the fresh air, after his top-end seized on a different jump face. So then, forgive me here as well, if I don't share a conviction that the Varg not having a piston to seize ALSO makes it sacrilegious. Never saw that kid again, by the way, as his riding days were done.

NEXT: As someone who has owned his own tracks for decades now, I have naturally met other track owners as well, for it's something of a club. Most guys had private tracks like me, but some some had public ones, and you lilly-fingered keyboard-typing dipshits have NO IDEA the physical and financial struggle they go through to keep this sport alive. It's not like we private owners have it easy, god knows, I probably spend 40 hours working on my track for every fifteen minutes I spend riding it, but we've got it easy COMPARED TO THEM. Of all the owners I've known, maybe one out of five is still in business, with the vast, vast majority of them having lost their tracks due to noise complaints. This horrific, extinction-level noise pollution crisis is a GLOBAL one, governments everywhere are using it as their preferred weapon of choice in shutting down tracks and bankrupting track owners. It's like a knife to them, and your opposition to anything E-related is like a file they get to use to hone that knife to a razor's edge. So once more, forgive me if I don't share your tendency toward genuflection at the sound of a poorly-muffled 450, for I see it for what it is: an assassin coming to kill off something I've loved since I was a little kid. Let there be no doubt here, the Stark Varg is, at least for now, our only counter-assassin. 

NEXT: The battery. E-bike technology is the only real hope the sport of motocross has for long-term survival, for reasons I just wrote about (fewer catastrophic injuries, elimination of noise issues) so one more time, forgive me if I appear apathetic about whether the Varg will handle a 30-minute mudder or a 30-plus-2 sand track romp or a dessert run or a GNCC. With all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about anything but whether it will work on an average motocross loop on an average day for an average rider - and we already know it will, with ease. The only other option we have is more of what we're getting right now, which is fewer and fewer tracks in operation, so don't be a "uselful idiot" (look it up) and make the perfect the enemy of the good. 

LAST: If I'm to be candid here, I should mention that I'm playing with house money. Between myself and two good friends, we own a total of 400 acres up here, with almost 100 of them waterfront. There's two tracks now and another in progress, so I have zero fear of not having a place to ride whatever the hell I choose to, whenever the hell I want to. I also have a sports car collection in my barn that's begun to ask for more of my attention, and because I'm 62, slowly switching my hobby over to car racing seems to have gained a little momentum. We'll see. So no, none of this will affect me directly. My dog in the hunt is a newborn kid out there somewhere who will one day hope to be a great motocross racer, because a million years ago I had a Z50 that I rode all-day-every-day in the field next to my house hoping to one day be like Ake Jonsson on his Maico. Plain and simple, I'll be damned if I'll stay silent while that newborn kid's future opportunity to find joy riding in the field next to his house is mindlessly fucked with by all you feckless, conspiracy-theorist, morons.

Yeah, you know who you are. 

 

RaceFace232 wrote:

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for...

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for the next moto.  Generators will be outlawed before we have all BatBikes on every line of every class.

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

I absolutely agree to resist EV's (cars) people don't understand what the implications are here with cars being EV and the number one thing in jeopardy...

I absolutely agree to resist EV's (cars) people don't understand what the implications are here with cars being EV and the number one thing in jeopardy is freedom of movement.

However I do believe there is room for E-Moto's but it does cross-over to what you are against and I respect that.

RaceFace232 wrote:

Look up what the EPA is announcing tomorrow……all new strict legislation on emissions.  This will be the effective equivalent of the first step towards banning gas...

Look up what the EPA is announcing tomorrow……all new strict legislation on emissions.  This will be the effective equivalent of the first step towards banning gas powered vehicles.  This is something I didn’t even think was coming so soon.

Cobbler wrote:

link?

Silas444 wrote:

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with...

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with him in a corner. Surely you don't actually think the E-Motocross bike storm will blow over and your ICE-bike kingdom will be restored, do you? If you do, well that's just sad. It ain't happening, bud. To believe that is to believe that snake wouldn't have bitten you if given the chance.

Allow me to clarify my point. As a private track owner who successfully beat back lawsuits by both the E.P.A. and F.E.M.A., I can tell you, by way of actual experience rather than biased opinion, that the Feds give you two options: give an inch, or lose a mile. I gave an inch, and my track survived their assault. Two other private track owners a few minutes away from me didn't budge, and that gave the Feds the opportunity they needed, and they ruined both of them. Bankrupt, tracks gone, broke, busted, helpless, hopeless, penniless. And the bureaucrat that did it to them got promoted, which is exactly what she was seeking when she filed her lawsuits against us in the first place. They're coming for us all, yes, hell I had giant, black, sonar-equipped government  planes circling my property surveilling the piss out of it, for Christ's sake. it was terrifying, yes, but they only win if you give them the OPPORTUNITY, and this confoundingly stupid-ass hope you have that the Varg will fail offers you nothing but the potential for a Pyrrhic Victory. 

So then, all you dumbshits reading this need to start your re-education by looking up two things: (1.) Pyrrhic Victory. (2.) the Sackett v. E.P.A. court case. That Supreme Court case is easily the most informative thing you'll ever read about the utterly cutthroat, unflinchingly vicious, nature of our opponent, Uncle Sam. I know the case's particulars by heart, and so should you.

NEXT: I once had to console one of my best friends after someone had just died in his arms. A man had passed on after his bike hit a false neutral on a jump face on a track my friend had just finished building minutes before. He was almost inconsolable. So then, forgive me if I don't share a conviction that the Varg having no gearbox and thus no potential for false neutrals makes it sacrilegious.

NEXT: I once waited for what seemed like forever for a LifeFlight to arrive and carry off a lovely, gifted young racer with multiple internals injuries and broken bones, including a compounded femur that was sticking right out of his pants and into the fresh air, after his top-end seized on a different jump face. So then, forgive me here as well, if I don't share a conviction that the Varg not having a piston to seize ALSO makes it sacrilegious. Never saw that kid again, by the way, as his riding days were done.

NEXT: As someone who has owned his own tracks for decades now, I have naturally met other track owners as well, for it's something of a club. Most guys had private tracks like me, but some some had public ones, and you lilly-fingered keyboard-typing dipshits have NO IDEA the physical and financial struggle they go through to keep this sport alive. It's not like we private owners have it easy, god knows, I probably spend 40 hours working on my track for every fifteen minutes I spend riding it, but we've got it easy COMPARED TO THEM. Of all the owners I've known, maybe one out of five is still in business, with the vast, vast majority of them having lost their tracks due to noise complaints. This horrific, extinction-level noise pollution crisis is a GLOBAL one, governments everywhere are using it as their preferred weapon of choice in shutting down tracks and bankrupting track owners. It's like a knife to them, and your opposition to anything E-related is like a file they get to use to hone that knife to a razor's edge. So once more, forgive me if I don't share your tendency toward genuflection at the sound of a poorly-muffled 450, for I see it for what it is: an assassin coming to kill off something I've loved since I was a little kid. Let there be no doubt here, the Stark Varg is, at least for now, our only counter-assassin. 

NEXT: The battery. E-bike technology is the only real hope the sport of motocross has for long-term survival, for reasons I just wrote about (fewer catastrophic injuries, elimination of noise issues) so one more time, forgive me if I appear apathetic about whether the Varg will handle a 30-minute mudder or a 30-plus-2 sand track romp or a dessert run or a GNCC. With all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about anything but whether it will work on an average motocross loop on an average day for an average rider - and we already know it will, with ease. The only other option we have is more of what we're getting right now, which is fewer and fewer tracks in operation, so don't be a "uselful idiot" (look it up) and make the perfect the enemy of the good. 

LAST: If I'm to be candid here, I should mention that I'm playing with house money. Between myself and two good friends, we own a total of 400 acres up here, with almost 100 of them waterfront. There's two tracks now and another in progress, so I have zero fear of not having a place to ride whatever the hell I choose to, whenever the hell I want to. I also have a sports car collection in my barn that's begun to ask for more of my attention, and because I'm 62, slowly switching my hobby over to car racing seems to have gained a little momentum. We'll see. So no, none of this will affect me directly. My dog in the hunt is a newborn kid out there somewhere who will one day hope to be a great motocross racer, because a million years ago I had a Z50 that I rode all-day-every-day in the field next to my house hoping to one day be like Ake Jonsson on his Maico. Plain and simple, I'll be damned if I'll stay silent while that newborn kid's future opportunity to find joy riding in the field next to his house is mindlessly fucked with by all you feckless, conspiracy-theorist, morons.

Yeah, you know who you are. 

 

RaceFace232 wrote:

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for...

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for the next moto.  Generators will be outlawed before we have all BatBikes on every line of every class.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment...

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment. It can fast charge the tool batteries in 8 minutes .  I've seen stuff about recovery companies working on a similar type of device to quick charge dead cars on the side of the road. 

 

I have customers talking about buying a big bank of generators , like a tractor trailer size and going to tracks to offer charging .  If I had a track I would try and get one of the solar fiend companies to come in and  see if they could build  carport like structures with solar panels on them. Charge bikes on ride/race days and sell the power to the grid on the off days. It's not possible everywhere. But in the right locations it could be a way to fix the charging problem, offer some shade and extra cash for the track owners or a less expensive way of getting charging setup at their tracks. It would also provide a beefy connection to the grid . So on race days maybe they draw power from the grid, and off days they send it out. I'm not sure how the $$ would work out. But solar farms are popping up all over the place , on some expensive land. So it could work.

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

Silas444 wrote:

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with...

Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with him in a corner. Surely you don't actually think the E-Motocross bike storm will blow over and your ICE-bike kingdom will be restored, do you? If you do, well that's just sad. It ain't happening, bud. To believe that is to believe that snake wouldn't have bitten you if given the chance.

Allow me to clarify my point. As a private track owner who successfully beat back lawsuits by both the E.P.A. and F.E.M.A., I can tell you, by way of actual experience rather than biased opinion, that the Feds give you two options: give an inch, or lose a mile. I gave an inch, and my track survived their assault. Two other private track owners a few minutes away from me didn't budge, and that gave the Feds the opportunity they needed, and they ruined both of them. Bankrupt, tracks gone, broke, busted, helpless, hopeless, penniless. And the bureaucrat that did it to them got promoted, which is exactly what she was seeking when she filed her lawsuits against us in the first place. They're coming for us all, yes, hell I had giant, black, sonar-equipped government  planes circling my property surveilling the piss out of it, for Christ's sake. it was terrifying, yes, but they only win if you give them the OPPORTUNITY, and this confoundingly stupid-ass hope you have that the Varg will fail offers you nothing but the potential for a Pyrrhic Victory. 

So then, all you dumbshits reading this need to start your re-education by looking up two things: (1.) Pyrrhic Victory. (2.) the Sackett v. E.P.A. court case. That Supreme Court case is easily the most informative thing you'll ever read about the utterly cutthroat, unflinchingly vicious, nature of our opponent, Uncle Sam. I know the case's particulars by heart, and so should you.

NEXT: I once had to console one of my best friends after someone had just died in his arms. A man had passed on after his bike hit a false neutral on a jump face on a track my friend had just finished building minutes before. He was almost inconsolable. So then, forgive me if I don't share a conviction that the Varg having no gearbox and thus no potential for false neutrals makes it sacrilegious.

NEXT: I once waited for what seemed like forever for a LifeFlight to arrive and carry off a lovely, gifted young racer with multiple internals injuries and broken bones, including a compounded femur that was sticking right out of his pants and into the fresh air, after his top-end seized on a different jump face. So then, forgive me here as well, if I don't share a conviction that the Varg not having a piston to seize ALSO makes it sacrilegious. Never saw that kid again, by the way, as his riding days were done.

NEXT: As someone who has owned his own tracks for decades now, I have naturally met other track owners as well, for it's something of a club. Most guys had private tracks like me, but some some had public ones, and you lilly-fingered keyboard-typing dipshits have NO IDEA the physical and financial struggle they go through to keep this sport alive. It's not like we private owners have it easy, god knows, I probably spend 40 hours working on my track for every fifteen minutes I spend riding it, but we've got it easy COMPARED TO THEM. Of all the owners I've known, maybe one out of five is still in business, with the vast, vast majority of them having lost their tracks due to noise complaints. This horrific, extinction-level noise pollution crisis is a GLOBAL one, governments everywhere are using it as their preferred weapon of choice in shutting down tracks and bankrupting track owners. It's like a knife to them, and your opposition to anything E-related is like a file they get to use to hone that knife to a razor's edge. So once more, forgive me if I don't share your tendency toward genuflection at the sound of a poorly-muffled 450, for I see it for what it is: an assassin coming to kill off something I've loved since I was a little kid. Let there be no doubt here, the Stark Varg is, at least for now, our only counter-assassin. 

NEXT: The battery. E-bike technology is the only real hope the sport of motocross has for long-term survival, for reasons I just wrote about (fewer catastrophic injuries, elimination of noise issues) so one more time, forgive me if I appear apathetic about whether the Varg will handle a 30-minute mudder or a 30-plus-2 sand track romp or a dessert run or a GNCC. With all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about anything but whether it will work on an average motocross loop on an average day for an average rider - and we already know it will, with ease. The only other option we have is more of what we're getting right now, which is fewer and fewer tracks in operation, so don't be a "uselful idiot" (look it up) and make the perfect the enemy of the good. 

LAST: If I'm to be candid here, I should mention that I'm playing with house money. Between myself and two good friends, we own a total of 400 acres up here, with almost 100 of them waterfront. There's two tracks now and another in progress, so I have zero fear of not having a place to ride whatever the hell I choose to, whenever the hell I want to. I also have a sports car collection in my barn that's begun to ask for more of my attention, and because I'm 62, slowly switching my hobby over to car racing seems to have gained a little momentum. We'll see. So no, none of this will affect me directly. My dog in the hunt is a newborn kid out there somewhere who will one day hope to be a great motocross racer, because a million years ago I had a Z50 that I rode all-day-every-day in the field next to my house hoping to one day be like Ake Jonsson on his Maico. Plain and simple, I'll be damned if I'll stay silent while that newborn kid's future opportunity to find joy riding in the field next to his house is mindlessly fucked with by all you feckless, conspiracy-theorist, morons.

Yeah, you know who you are. 

 

RaceFace232 wrote:

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for...

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for the next moto.  Generators will be outlawed before we have all BatBikes on every line of every class.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment...

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment. It can fast charge the tool batteries in 8 minutes .  I've seen stuff about recovery companies working on a similar type of device to quick charge dead cars on the side of the road. 

 

I have customers talking about buying a big bank of generators , like a tractor trailer size and going to tracks to offer charging .  If I had a track I would try and get one of the solar fiend companies to come in and  see if they could build  carport like structures with solar panels on them. Charge bikes on ride/race days and sell the power to the grid on the off days. It's not possible everywhere. But in the right locations it could be a way to fix the charging problem, offer some shade and extra cash for the track owners or a less expensive way of getting charging setup at their tracks. It would also provide a beefy connection to the grid . So on race days maybe they draw power from the grid, and off days they send it out. I'm not sure how the $$ would work out. But solar farms are popping up all over the place , on some expensive land. So it could work.

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

theycallmeebryan wrote:

Just charge the bike off the electric pickup truck's massive 125+kwh battery. That's what i plan to do once I'm able to get one. No need...

Just charge the bike off the electric pickup truck's massive 125+kwh battery. That's what i plan to do once I'm able to get one. No need for a generator at that point.

RaceFace232 wrote:

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for...

As a track owner I’d love to know how many 240V charging points you’ll be installing for when you have 300+ battery bikes getting ready for the next moto.  Generators will be outlawed before we have all BatBikes on every line of every class.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment...

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment. It can fast charge the tool batteries in 8 minutes .  I've seen stuff about recovery companies working on a similar type of device to quick charge dead cars on the side of the road. 

 

I have customers talking about buying a big bank of generators , like a tractor trailer size and going to tracks to offer charging .  If I had a track I would try and get one of the solar fiend companies to come in and  see if they could build  carport like structures with solar panels on them. Charge bikes on ride/race days and sell the power to the grid on the off days. It's not possible everywhere. But in the right locations it could be a way to fix the charging problem, offer some shade and extra cash for the track owners or a less expensive way of getting charging setup at their tracks. It would also provide a beefy connection to the grid . So on race days maybe they draw power from the grid, and off days they send it out. I'm not sure how the $$ would work out. But solar farms are popping up all over the place , on some expensive land. So it could work.

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

RaceFace232 wrote:

Look up what the EPA is announcing tomorrow……all new strict legislation on emissions.  This will be the effective equivalent of the first step towards banning gas...

Look up what the EPA is announcing tomorrow……all new strict legislation on emissions.  This will be the effective equivalent of the first step towards banning gas powered vehicles.  This is something I didn’t even think was coming so soon.

Cobbler wrote:

link?

RaceFace232 wrote:

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/12/1169425576/epa-auto-vehicle-emission-rules-electric-cars-gas-prices

The real Sasquatch wrote:

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment...

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment. It can fast charge the tool batteries in 8 minutes .  I've seen stuff about recovery companies working on a similar type of device to quick charge dead cars on the side of the road. 

 

I have customers talking about buying a big bank of generators , like a tractor trailer size and going to tracks to offer charging .  If I had a track I would try and get one of the solar fiend companies to come in and  see if they could build  carport like structures with solar panels on them. Charge bikes on ride/race days and sell the power to the grid on the off days. It's not possible everywhere. But in the right locations it could be a way to fix the charging problem, offer some shade and extra cash for the track owners or a less expensive way of getting charging setup at their tracks. It would also provide a beefy connection to the grid . So on race days maybe they draw power from the grid, and off days they send it out. I'm not sure how the $$ would work out. But solar farms are popping up all over the place , on some expensive land. So it could work.

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to...

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to a full tank of gas on a 450. Many local racers do not even need to top off their tanks. I do not think you will see all electric until the range is similar .What is the % of riders who ride at top pro level speeds ?  Those would be the guys that will have trouble with Electric.  I think that Electric will be a bottom up revolution instead of the top down way that 4 strokes came in.  Electric range , if the Varg is close to what they say it is,, will work for many of the racers out there already when combined with a generator  gas or battery/solar powered. So the C and B class racers, the Vet racers , the smaller displacement bikes. Those will be the first to be able to go all electric with the current batteries and available power storage systems. 

Getting Electric into the Pro level racing is going to take more time. You will have pushback from all of the companies without e bikes( like you see with 2 strokes now). The batteries will keep developing and by the time  there are enough brands of electric bikes to not oppose them from being let into Pro racing there will be some basic infrastructure already in place at local tracks .

 

If they could get the charge time down to 10 minutes. And each race was 20 minutes. Put 50 chargers in down by the gate in stageing. When you go to the gate you plug in. They could setup the charger's so that it would alert you to go to the gate in the order your gate pick was.  Yes its not like it is now, But  local races are normally getting staged as the other race is on the track. So you might  have to get the the line 10 minutes sooner.  That would be a way of getting a work around in place  if they can get the bike batteries to charge as fast as the power tool batteries I've seen for Mowers and blowers.  By the time you have racers that will need to recharge from dead to full, in between motos ( if the Varg has similar range to a full tank on a 450) I would think the fast charging should be close. 

 

The battery powered fast chargers would not be the giant trailers. They would only need to have enough power to recharge 3 or 4 times  max. If a full charge is similar to the range of a full tank, for pro level racers to do 4 30+ 2 moto's on 1 bike.  And I am just a guy that sees how electric powered MX bikes can be fun, can solve some issues at smaller tracks built inside or in built up areas. I have knocked many IQ points off my score with all of the hits to my head. SO I imagine all the smart guys that stand to make million on these machines can come up with some better ideas than I have.  Maybe You could show everybody how smart you are by figuring out how to do what you feel is impossible? Because if gas goes away like you say, and Electric is the only option, killing off electric MX bikes will only kill the sport.  

The real Sasquatch wrote:

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment...

A big battery pack to charge instead of outlets. There is a power tool company that has a setup like that for their electric power  equipment. It can fast charge the tool batteries in 8 minutes .  I've seen stuff about recovery companies working on a similar type of device to quick charge dead cars on the side of the road. 

 

I have customers talking about buying a big bank of generators , like a tractor trailer size and going to tracks to offer charging .  If I had a track I would try and get one of the solar fiend companies to come in and  see if they could build  carport like structures with solar panels on them. Charge bikes on ride/race days and sell the power to the grid on the off days. It's not possible everywhere. But in the right locations it could be a way to fix the charging problem, offer some shade and extra cash for the track owners or a less expensive way of getting charging setup at their tracks. It would also provide a beefy connection to the grid . So on race days maybe they draw power from the grid, and off days they send it out. I'm not sure how the $$ would work out. But solar farms are popping up all over the place , on some expensive land. So it could work.

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to...

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to a full tank of gas on a 450. Many local racers do not even need to top off their tanks. I do not think you will see all electric until the range is similar .What is the % of riders who ride at top pro level speeds ?  Those would be the guys that will have trouble with Electric.  I think that Electric will be a bottom up revolution instead of the top down way that 4 strokes came in.  Electric range , if the Varg is close to what they say it is,, will work for many of the racers out there already when combined with a generator  gas or battery/solar powered. So the C and B class racers, the Vet racers , the smaller displacement bikes. Those will be the first to be able to go all electric with the current batteries and available power storage systems. 

Getting Electric into the Pro level racing is going to take more time. You will have pushback from all of the companies without e bikes( like you see with 2 strokes now). The batteries will keep developing and by the time  there are enough brands of electric bikes to not oppose them from being let into Pro racing there will be some basic infrastructure already in place at local tracks .

 

If they could get the charge time down to 10 minutes. And each race was 20 minutes. Put 50 chargers in down by the gate in stageing. When you go to the gate you plug in. They could setup the charger's so that it would alert you to go to the gate in the order your gate pick was.  Yes its not like it is now, But  local races are normally getting staged as the other race is on the track. So you might  have to get the the line 10 minutes sooner.  That would be a way of getting a work around in place  if they can get the bike batteries to charge as fast as the power tool batteries I've seen for Mowers and blowers.  By the time you have racers that will need to recharge from dead to full, in between motos ( if the Varg has similar range to a full tank on a 450) I would think the fast charging should be close. 

 

The battery powered fast chargers would not be the giant trailers. They would only need to have enough power to recharge 3 or 4 times  max. If a full charge is similar to the range of a full tank, for pro level racers to do 4 30+ 2 moto's on 1 bike.  And I am just a guy that sees how electric powered MX bikes can be fun, can solve some issues at smaller tracks built inside or in built up areas. I have knocked many IQ points off my score with all of the hits to my head. SO I imagine all the smart guys that stand to make million on these machines can come up with some better ideas than I have.  Maybe You could show everybody how smart you are by figuring out how to do what you feel is impossible? Because if gas goes away like you say, and Electric is the only option, killing off electric MX bikes will only kill the sport.  

RaceFace232 wrote:

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer...

By the time all bikes at the track are EV you won’t be charging with generators.  Not a chance.  And don’t bother towing a big trailer because you won’t be able to with whatever E-truck you’ve got.  At least do that and still get home. Oh this is going to be such an awesome future.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to...

The generator idea was more of an in between idea.   The battery chargers for outdoor power equipment already exist . If the range is similar to a full tank of gas on a 450. Many local racers do not even need to top off their tanks. I do not think you will see all electric until the range is similar .What is the % of riders who ride at top pro level speeds ?  Those would be the guys that will have trouble with Electric.  I think that Electric will be a bottom up revolution instead of the top down way that 4 strokes came in.  Electric range , if the Varg is close to what they say it is,, will work for many of the racers out there already when combined with a generator  gas or battery/solar powered. So the C and B class racers, the Vet racers , the smaller displacement bikes. Those will be the first to be able to go all electric with the current batteries and available power storage systems. 

Getting Electric into the Pro level racing is going to take more time. You will have pushback from all of the companies without e bikes( like you see with 2 strokes now). The batteries will keep developing and by the time  there are enough brands of electric bikes to not oppose them from being let into Pro racing there will be some basic infrastructure already in place at local tracks .

 

If they could get the charge time down to 10 minutes. And each race was 20 minutes. Put 50 chargers in down by the gate in stageing. When you go to the gate you plug in. They could setup the charger's so that it would alert you to go to the gate in the order your gate pick was.  Yes its not like it is now, But  local races are normally getting staged as the other race is on the track. So you might  have to get the the line 10 minutes sooner.  That would be a way of getting a work around in place  if they can get the bike batteries to charge as fast as the power tool batteries I've seen for Mowers and blowers.  By the time you have racers that will need to recharge from dead to full, in between motos ( if the Varg has similar range to a full tank on a 450) I would think the fast charging should be close. 

 

The battery powered fast chargers would not be the giant trailers. They would only need to have enough power to recharge 3 or 4 times  max. If a full charge is similar to the range of a full tank, for pro level racers to do 4 30+ 2 moto's on 1 bike.  And I am just a guy that sees how electric powered MX bikes can be fun, can solve some issues at smaller tracks built inside or in built up areas. I have knocked many IQ points off my score with all of the hits to my head. SO I imagine all the smart guys that stand to make million on these machines can come up with some better ideas than I have.  Maybe You could show everybody how smart you are by figuring out how to do what you feel is impossible? Because if gas goes away like you say, and Electric is the only option, killing off electric MX bikes will only kill the sport.  

RaceFace232 wrote:

There is bit much thought being put into how to actually make the EV revolution work.  Soon you’ll see Tesla screens urging owners to not charge...

There is bit much thought being put into how to actually make the EV revolution work.  Soon you’ll see Tesla screens urging owners to not charge their vehicles at peak times as the ACs are on full blast keeping people cool.  That’s with what, less than 5% of all vehicles being on a charger?  There is less thinking about it going on in moto-land.  The same guys saying a 450 is too much hike are giddy about a bike having 80hp (allegedly).  You can’t make this shit up.  If it wasn’t so sad it would be pretty damn funny.  Just thinking of 20 bikes whirring off the line is a hysterical prospect.  Yet it disgusts me at the same time.  

The real Sasquatch wrote:

I see more excitement for the adjustability of the power than the peak power output. Electric Cars/Trucks are a total different thing in my opinion. Electric...

I see more excitement for the adjustability of the power than the peak power output. Electric Cars/Trucks are a total different thing in my opinion. Electric MX bikes can work with the way everything is right now. For the average person who would be buying one. Everybody goes in circles about the grid being unable to handle the demand and the same old stuff. Wouldn't that be assuming that the grid owners do not want to rake in all that extra cash they can get by pumping out more power? Why would they NOT beef things up???  What business owner sees a demand that may double or triple and thinks to them selves, Nah , I'm good, I'll just tell them they can not have any more.  If the current power companies do not want to get up to par, the demand will be there for somebody else. If they know its coming , why not get things ready? 

 

But Electric dirt bikes  can solve problems for a lot of people, and then there is still gas power for the people who want or need the extended runtime. Look at the evolution of cordless tools. I think that just like everything else that has ever been invented, or built by people. Things will improve overtime. The early electric stuff may not be perfect for everybody. But they will work for a lot of people and give the funding  for R&D to develop better,  bikes. 

 

Have you tried riding an Alta or even a sur-ron? A fast electric gokart? driven or ridden in a Tesla or other electric car that is more of a performance style vehicle?  To me the style of power , the feel of the power, is worth the extra work to charge it up. For a Motocross bike. You can get much more controllable power ,that is more predictable than gas. same power at any elevation. There has to be a reason that trains are diesel electric.The environmental impact of either seems more open to interpretation. Performance wise for shorter distances Electric is hard to beat. 

 

And If the grid just can never ever handle the demand put on it, and EV's are as bad as the haters say, then gas power will make a return. 

I think you'll see periods of issues with grid power at first, then it will catch up, and then issues, etc. until Electric totally takes over or something new comes out. But the Grid argument was the first argument used by STandard oil when people started to use electricity for lighting. The lack of a grid, and then the ugly wires, Having to run a generator in your basement. Just look up all that stuff from the 1800's and you'll see that you are pretty much just repeating the Oil companies propaganda from back then. Maybe next You can electrocute an elephant to show how dangerous electric cars will be.  That wasn't the oil people , but a similar tactic used only because the inventor of AC had something to gain from people fearing DC powert.

theycallmeebryan wrote:

Just charge the bike off the electric pickup truck's massive 125+kwh battery. That's what i plan to do once I'm able to get one. No need...

Just charge the bike off the electric pickup truck's massive 125+kwh battery. That's what i plan to do once I'm able to get one. No need for a generator at that point.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

I see more excitement for the adjustability of the power than the peak power output. Electric Cars/Trucks are a total different thing in my opinion. Electric...

I see more excitement for the adjustability of the power than the peak power output. Electric Cars/Trucks are a total different thing in my opinion. Electric MX bikes can work with the way everything is right now. For the average person who would be buying one. Everybody goes in circles about the grid being unable to handle the demand and the same old stuff. Wouldn't that be assuming that the grid owners do not want to rake in all that extra cash they can get by pumping out more power? Why would they NOT beef things up???  What business owner sees a demand that may double or triple and thinks to them selves, Nah , I'm good, I'll just tell them they can not have any more.  If the current power companies do not want to get up to par, the demand will be there for somebody else. If they know its coming , why not get things ready? 

 

But Electric dirt bikes  can solve problems for a lot of people, and then there is still gas power for the people who want or need the extended runtime. Look at the evolution of cordless tools. I think that just like everything else that has ever been invented, or built by people. Things will improve overtime. The early electric stuff may not be perfect for everybody. But they will work for a lot of people and give the funding  for R&D to develop better,  bikes. 

 

Have you tried riding an Alta or even a sur-ron? A fast electric gokart? driven or ridden in a Tesla or other electric car that is more of a performance style vehicle?  To me the style of power , the feel of the power, is worth the extra work to charge it up. For a Motocross bike. You can get much more controllable power ,that is more predictable than gas. same power at any elevation. There has to be a reason that trains are diesel electric.The environmental impact of either seems more open to interpretation. Performance wise for shorter distances Electric is hard to beat. 

 

And If the grid just can never ever handle the demand put on it, and EV's are as bad as the haters say, then gas power will make a return. 

I think you'll see periods of issues with grid power at first, then it will catch up, and then issues, etc. until Electric totally takes over or something new comes out. But the Grid argument was the first argument used by STandard oil when people started to use electricity for lighting. The lack of a grid, and then the ugly wires, Having to run a generator in your basement. Just look up all that stuff from the 1800's and you'll see that you are pretty much just repeating the Oil companies propaganda from back then. Maybe next You can electrocute an elephant to show how dangerous electric cars will be.  That wasn't the oil people , but a similar tactic used only because the inventor of AC had something to gain from people fearing DC powert.

burn1986 wrote:

Well at least you got us back on subject, instead of the goofy snake argument that ended with “…well, I’ve been bit by a water snake...

Well at least you got us back on subject, instead of the goofy snake argument that ended with “…well, I’ve been bit by a water snake and it hurt.”

vet323 wrote:

The US will have to generate 20-50 % more electricity than it does currently (ha!) to power the amount of EV cars expected by 2030. That...

The US will have to generate 20-50 % more electricity than it does currently (ha!) to power the amount of EV cars expected by 2030.

That ain't happening with solar or wind. 

 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Again that is a different argument. Stark is not claiming that their bikes will save the planet. They are claiming that they will outperform the gas...

Again that is a different argument. Stark is not claiming that their bikes will save the planet. They are claiming that they will outperform the gas bikes ( maybe they do, maybe not and the definition of out performing may be different based on your needs and wants). And also  allow riding in places that you may not be able to otherwise with the noise of  a gas MX bike. and many other things that can not be done with a gas bike . The first generation E vehicles will not be the E vehicles that become the majority mode of transportation . They will improve until either they are better or something else comes along. Just like every other thing ever made. 

 

I see the Stark as a different way of powering a racing machine. Not a way to save the environment maybe it helps reduce pollution, maybe not , I am excited about the performance you can get from Electric and the adjustibilty of the power ,lack of exhaust so indoor  tracks become easier and many other things that matter more to me than range.

 

 If range and durability alone were the markers of the ultimate race vehicle, we would have diesel MX bikes with giant tanks and solid tires with shaft drive.

 

Trains use diesel to make electricity to power the train and propel it with that electricity.  Is that because it is more efficient or  do they just like to complicate things?  Even charging a Tesla with a generator you still can get 300 miles per gallon.  And EV's WILL cost less to build and be much more profitable than gas or diesel powered vehicles.