Looks like RC16 LOST AGAIN

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10/10/2009 2:19am
akmx17 wrote:
Hey man nice to see your alive.
See you bought Rickys new bike.
Still riding down therE?
Rim Lock wrote:
Awwww... lovin it man. We are working on a new fundraiser dealio for our club much like Fairbanks had. 2010 looks great! Long story short is...
Awwww... lovin it man.

We are working on a new fundraiser dealio for our club much like Fairbanks had.
2010 looks great!

Long story short is Ben Lemay is looking for a place to ride.
Me and his Uncle by marriage are trying to get him down here for a "ride day" soon.

Can't say much now but he wants to ride and we have the track.
Hearing Ben has a ride overseas too but would be wrong for me to say anything now.

Rumors run wild!
akmx17 wrote:
Im actually gonna go see Ben tomarrow or sunday i think. Been Raining here or id have him riding at my home track or Rival. Aaron...
Im actually gonna go see Ben tomarrow or sunday i think.
Been Raining here or id have him riding at my home track or Rival.
Aaron and I wont be around for 010' but we will help the kenai club they have always been good to us.
We are looking at amping up purse money for Kenai not just for state races but city races as well.

Why all the Expert A class riders bowing out in 2010?

Help me out here.
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10/10/2009 5:15am
Yes Rim Lock, I remember meeting you at the SX party at TJ's
I also know about Ben's deal and camethisclose to having him a deal on a team to race German SX
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10/10/2009 7:26am
Found this self portrait of the lummox...

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10/10/2009 7:29am
Ahhh, found this poignant shot of the lummox emerging from a dip in the whirlpool...

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10/10/2009 9:17am
Well Steve, would you?
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10/10/2009 9:57am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2009 9:58am
As a promoter that has gone through two lawsuits, I feel that this absolutely belongs in the moto section, and probably isn't mentioned as often as it should be.
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10/10/2009 11:10am
I would say it's MORE dangerous for a track when a rider has medical insurance..

More and more insurance companies are snooping around after injuries and try to sue the track on behalf of the rider in order to recoup costs...
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10/10/2009 11:36am
500 Mike wrote:
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse. Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the...
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse.

Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the window!
This is moto related, and Dave is not a mod.
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10/10/2009 12:04pm
Andy--The Sandhill case is a tough one. I 99.9990% fall on the side of the track owners because as riders we know the risks involved in...
Andy--The Sandhill case is a tough one. I 99.9990% fall on the side of the track owners because as riders we know the risks involved in what we do. Not to mention my bias because frivolous law suits evicted me from my childhood motorcycle heaven.lol The problem w/Sandhill is,do you think that rider knew one of the risks of riding at Sandhill was that some of the trails turn into a huge cliffs that landed you on jagged rocks with no warning? I doubt it. Somebody was negligent there and it was mostly on the land owner from the details I've read. The rider does have the responsibility to make sure riders aren't coming around the corner or hitting a tree and shit like that. Head on collisions and stuff like that is a risk that's on the rider when trail riding. As far as a cliff put in a trail the guy had ridden before and the owners didn't rence it off and a guy pretty much lost his life because of it.That's on the track. The track owner I guess had a fence up for awhile but it somehow went away. And the guy that owns the other property(the gun club) that dug the cliff and put the rocks in is partly responsible. Also how the hell is there no fence when it seems like you could trail ride right into the gun clubs firing range. Let's just say I think it's unfortunate for all the riders that went there but IMO the owners of Sandhill kind of dropped the ball there. That's one of the only cases of a rider suing a track where I felt bad for the rider.
Funny that all the times I was there(lots), I never knew you could trail ride there period.

You'd think if you just got sued within the last few yrs, you'd make sure to cover all your bases. Have to be a brain surgeon not to make sure your fencing is intact to prevent you from falling into jagged rocks and monitor the area, replace any stolen fencing......even have your own insurance carrier rep come to do a check of the property, but I just remembered who.....never mind..

Another track down the toilet; wasn't the same anyways when they sold the good sandy, loamy track anyways many years back.

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10/10/2009 12:06pm
500 Mike wrote:
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse. Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the...
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse.

Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the window!
TerryK wrote:
This is moto related, and Dave is not a mod.
Ouch!


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10/10/2009 1:11pm
500 Mike wrote:
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse. Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the...
Agree 100%, this shit is beating a dead horse.

Should be in non-moto too, But since Kimmey is a Mod all the rules go out the window!
TerryK wrote:
This is moto related, and Dave is not a mod.
flarider wrote:
Ouch!


The only time I've seen the rules go out the window with Dave is when there's KFC involved.

Then it's a free for all!

Come to think of it, that might be one of the only times KFC in in the "moto" section too.

Dave, what's up with that? You dragging all this junk here..
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10/10/2009 1:20pm
Well, since I'm a mod, I can do anything I want....so...FUCK YOU ALL!!

HAHAHAHAHA....



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10/10/2009 1:42pm
Rim Lock wrote:
Awwww... lovin it man. We are working on a new fundraiser dealio for our club much like Fairbanks had. 2010 looks great! Long story short is...
Awwww... lovin it man.

We are working on a new fundraiser dealio for our club much like Fairbanks had.
2010 looks great!

Long story short is Ben Lemay is looking for a place to ride.
Me and his Uncle by marriage are trying to get him down here for a "ride day" soon.

Can't say much now but he wants to ride and we have the track.
Hearing Ben has a ride overseas too but would be wrong for me to say anything now.

Rumors run wild!
akmx17 wrote:
Im actually gonna go see Ben tomarrow or sunday i think. Been Raining here or id have him riding at my home track or Rival. Aaron...
Im actually gonna go see Ben tomarrow or sunday i think.
Been Raining here or id have him riding at my home track or Rival.
Aaron and I wont be around for 010' but we will help the kenai club they have always been good to us.
Rim Lock wrote:
We are looking at amping up purse money for Kenai not just for state races but city races as well. Why all the Expert A class...
We are looking at amping up purse money for Kenai not just for state races but city races as well.

Why all the Expert A class riders bowing out in 2010?

Help me out here.
Cory also wont be around in 010.
We are all tired of the tracks.
Specially the Anchorage track thats just a 1 lined gravel pit that destroys your bike in one moto, for a cheap payout even if you do win.

All of the tracks take no skill, there so safe and fast it seems easier to get hurt.
The only way to pass is going into corners cause every corner is one lined with a berm cause the qauds leave us no chance of developing ruts.
You have to drag to the corner to get to that berm first or slam in there, whhich wouldn't be bad if the tracks were slower.
But in fairbanks I rarley hit a corner going into it outta 4th, you rail that berm, rail the next, rail the next and hope someone does divebomb you in.

The jumps here take no skill, i did every jump in anchroage in 2nd gear on the 250f. Minus the mach which was a cruise in 3rd barley on it.
And the same goes for every other track all jumps are 2nd gear with the one jump you hit in third.

Everyone is so worried about mini bike saftey it is retarted, tracks are perfect for them but when expert riders crash its at high speeds cause were wideopen all the time.

Like when cory and ricky groomed the track for the state race and changed a few landings and lips it was retarted, how many novice riders and mini parents complained was just mind blowing.

Everyone wants to avoid injuries wanna know our opinion tracks are so easy here it allows people to ride over there skill level hints why they get hurt if tracks had some challenge in them like they did back in around 05-06 down, there would be checks on the track for lower class riders to slow down and be put into there place.

If we did a format qauds one day bikes the next or vice versa corners wouldnt be one line berms. And a quad tire wide.

The Pro class in fairbanks at the last race was what 5-6 people?
The clubs wont listen to us and were tired of it, Alaska motocross is a joke at this time.

Look at the fast people who came up back when tracks wernt so easy, 85cc dreamland, wideopen.
Look st the people coming up now.... Casey Boylan, I, and Collin Clayton were the last fast ones that came up. I dont see one 85 Expert rider who is really a expert the 125 Int is just another novice class.

As off now your Pro Class seems like this next year
Casey Boylan
Collin Clayton
Tyler Blanchard (maybe)
Nick Axhelm (Maybe)
Mike Treat (if he can keep outta trouble)
and a bunch of intermediate riders...

Sounds like a blast.

Also we dont wanna run 20min death motos.
20 mins on a wide open track that is smooth as a road is just dumb, we brought this up many times that tracks are not big enough or rough enough here to do that but yet no one ever listened and were off racing tell 8pm every state race.

I hooe you get some of my points, I wish people would see racing down south up here and have a reality check, I know this post was all over but ill be glad to clear it up another time for you
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10/10/2009 9:35pm
flarider wrote:
Courtesy of FTE, "Cainfusionisms" (RC16's actual written words on various occasions) I'll put it in perspective for ya: I just came back from a 12 mile...
Courtesy of FTE, "Cainfusionisms"

(RC16's actual written words on various occasions)


I'll put it in perspective for ya: I just came back from a 12 mile mountain-bike sprint. At the halfway mark, as is my routine, I stopped at the local tanning salon. One of the customers there is a pro wrestler. . .

Maybe I should be like YOU clowns and marry the first decent woman who'd charitably give me the time of day! Sorry; doesn't work that way for me. I never bragged before but I've ALWAYS gotten hot chicks, and right now I'm doing better than ever in that department. The only reason I talk about it now is in hopes that you clowns will get so sick of hearing from me and about me, maybe you'll STFU and go away! . . .

As for the women in my life, that's none of your business, but the reason I posted so late last night was because I was out to dinner with a reeeally hot brunette (and you weren't). . .

I'm not married and I can see as many women as I chose. Probably more in the last 6 months than you have in your entire life. Look at it as auditions, OK? Or just STFU and mind your own business! . . .

"Black-and-White" vs. "Shades of Gray" again! What if I could have afforded a new Harley a YEAR ago instead of laying in a hospital bed? What if I could afford a BETTER Harley, or a BIGGER boat? See my point?

Want me to shut up? Then YOU shut up! . . .You clowns have run off most of the reasonable members on this BB. Activity is way down and half of that is smack, bashing, and BS. . .

I blame Bruhn for fostering this mentality. I mean, wasn't he the pioneer of internet MX BB's? Glad I flicked the propensity for internet hackery like a booger off
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This guy needs to post here ASAP. Comedy gold.
that right there made me realize how much fun these forums used to be....i know why i find them so boring now .
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Where the heck is Joe788? He had some good ones.
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10/10/2009 11:00pm
I swear I think there should be a team of people that go around finding people that bring law suits against tracks for their own stupidity...
I swear I think there should be a team of people that go around finding people that bring law suits against tracks for their own stupidity and beat the shit out of them. Of course make them sign a meaningless waiver before you beat them.. My dad ran Indian Dunes in Valencia Ca. when I was a kid and it got shut down for that very reason. Those fuck heads ruined what was my home from 4 yrs old til it shut down when I was 12..Not to mention the 1000's of other riders that called it home. The dumb fucks would go backwards on the track and get hurt ,they would ride w/no helmet and shorts on,they would do wheelies on the road ,and all kinds of stupid mindless shit and then blame Indian Dunes and some how even after signing a waiver would get paid. It happened so much that we just couldn't get insured any more.
DanDunes, are you a Barbacovi? They run LA county raceway now. Dunes was the best place ever. I will have a replica of it in my Heaven. International and Shadow Glen, then all those other discipline tracks. Sooo fun. O'mara, Lechien, Zhart, Snortland, Surratt(he was fat and way too big on that kx80, but he sure hauled!) It was like a bad dream when that got closed. I wish someone had the money and would buy that farm field and put it back the way it was. If I ever have millions I'm looking into it.
10/10/2009 11:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2009 11:54pm
I swear I think there should be a team of people that go around finding people that bring law suits against tracks for their own stupidity...
I swear I think there should be a team of people that go around finding people that bring law suits against tracks for their own stupidity and beat the shit out of them. Of course make them sign a meaningless waiver before you beat them.. My dad ran Indian Dunes in Valencia Ca. when I was a kid and it got shut down for that very reason. Those fuck heads ruined what was my home from 4 yrs old til it shut down when I was 12..Not to mention the 1000's of other riders that called it home. The dumb fucks would go backwards on the track and get hurt ,they would ride w/no helmet and shorts on,they would do wheelies on the road ,and all kinds of stupid mindless shit and then blame Indian Dunes and some how even after signing a waiver would get paid. It happened so much that we just couldn't get insured any more.
loftyair wrote:
DanDunes, are you a Barbacovi? They run LA county raceway now. Dunes was the best place ever. I will have a replica of it in my...
DanDunes, are you a Barbacovi? They run LA county raceway now. Dunes was the best place ever. I will have a replica of it in my Heaven. International and Shadow Glen, then all those other discipline tracks. Sooo fun. O'mara, Lechien, Zhart, Snortland, Surratt(he was fat and way too big on that kx80, but he sure hauled!) It was like a bad dream when that got closed. I wish someone had the money and would buy that farm field and put it back the way it was. If I ever have millions I'm looking into it.
No..Jack Barbacovi owns CRC (california racing club)which used to race at the Dunes weekly before it closed. My names Dan Lamb. My dad is Gary Lamb. Yeah Jack does run LACR now. When it started looking like the Dunes was going to close my dad and Jack went looking for a new place to build a track for CRC races and LACR was a perfect spot. The owners were more then happy to let Jack build a track there and it was easily insurable since they already had the drag strip there. Willy Surrat and I were friends back in the day and yeah he was way too big for that KX 80 but as you well know the kid killed it on that thing. It's nice to hear from guys that loved that place. You're right. Heaven is the only way to descibe it. They just don't make them like that any more. If you ever get that millions and open that place up let me know. I'd give anything just to have one more day there.
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10/10/2009 11:53pm
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still our closest track resembling a skate park.

Ever been?
10/11/2009 12:07am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2009 12:09am
wildbill wrote:
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still...
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still our closest track resembling a skate park.

Ever been?
Yeah..But if you're talking about Mnt. View in Sandy Or. it's nothing like a state park. It's just 1 motox track . That track scares me too. High speeds on blue grooved red clay that's less forgiving than asphalt is not my idea of fun.Indian Dunes was 600 acres of mountains,miles and miles of trails,sandwashes,and a nice river with 2 national size mx tracks,a mini bike mx track,off road baja style track,TT track,ATC track,1 mile go cart race/testing track,1/4 oval dirt track,sand tracks,play tracks, and an air strip if you felt like flying your bikes in for the day. It was also open 7 days a week from dusk til dawn. I would'nt compare it to Mnt View.
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10/11/2009 12:56am
Unfortunately, It's just a matter of time til he wins.
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10/11/2009 12:57am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2009 12:58am
JustMX wrote:
As a promoter that has gone through two lawsuits, I feel that this absolutely belongs in the moto section, and probably isn't mentioned as often as...
As a promoter that has gone through two lawsuits, I feel that this absolutely belongs in the moto section, and probably isn't mentioned as often as it should be.
I'm with you ....1000%...more on this tomorrow.
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10/11/2009 5:52am
Two things that I took away from the RC16 saga:

1) Rich's fall from grace on FD rivals that of Jeff Emig 98-99.

2) David's Buford T. Justice obsession with the case forced us to choose between the white underbelly of neurosis, and our inborn acrid distaste of track sewers.


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10/11/2009 8:01am
`ol Ger wrote:
Two things that I took away from the RC16 saga: 1) Rich's fall from grace on FD rivals that of Jeff Emig 98-99. 2) David's Buford...
Two things that I took away from the RC16 saga:

1) Rich's fall from grace on FD rivals that of Jeff Emig 98-99.

2) David's Buford T. Justice obsession with the case forced us to choose between the white underbelly of neurosis, and our inborn acrid distaste of track sewers.


Well at least if a track has sewers that means you're not consigned to overflowing portacans.

You're right, Hammer. Dave and I traded emails before this came up, and I thought that it wouldn't be possible for people who weren't participants on the MT/FD and then MD roster to really appreciate the genius of Rich's craziness. Bauer was still blazing then, as was Bruhn given that Rich had contacted his clients to claim he was a pornographer. Side were struck against them for Rich in the FD community, and you had some crazy add-ons like MikeeP and John/RM250guy, as well as some class-A provokers like XMikeX and Unamused.

That kind of intentional and unintentional . . . ahhhh . . . comic "genius" is absent today. And trying to explain what happened is going to be lost on people who weren't a part of it. Rich will just come off as just another of the asshats that come and go pretty regularly.

And, yup, the reaction against Rich was a lot more about him lying to and betraying his friends, and showing he wasn't really a friend, but a self-absorbed user - and proving Bauer and Bruhn right about that - than it was about being a track suer.

You really had to be there. The mix and pathology that can come up with the stuff Rich said doesn't come around that often.
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what a moron
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wildbill wrote:
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still...
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still our closest track resembling a skate park.

Ever been?
I've been there and it does kick ass. Has elevation, multiple lines, and options. Fast and slow can get along because of the options. Fast guys hit the big stuff from the outside, but can still make it 'inside' on the next corner if no one is there. 1 of the funnest places I've been to. You got to go.
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wildbill wrote:
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still...
depending on track design and moisture retention, mtnviewmx.com kills it for local moto. I haven't ridden there in a few but friends tell me it's still our closest track resembling a skate park.

Ever been?
Yeah..But if you're talking about Mnt. View in Sandy Or. it's nothing like a state park. It's just 1 motox track . That track scares me...
Yeah..But if you're talking about Mnt. View in Sandy Or. it's nothing like a state park. It's just 1 motox track . That track scares me too. High speeds on blue grooved red clay that's less forgiving than asphalt is not my idea of fun.Indian Dunes was 600 acres of mountains,miles and miles of trails,sandwashes,and a nice river with 2 national size mx tracks,a mini bike mx track,off road baja style track,TT track,ATC track,1 mile go cart race/testing track,1/4 oval dirt track,sand tracks,play tracks, and an air strip if you felt like flying your bikes in for the day. It was also open 7 days a week from dusk til dawn. I would'nt compare it to Mnt View.
NOTHING compares to the Indian Dunes. You guys did it right, always changing the tracks, everything always open, watered the piss out of it the night before. Fondest memories I have. A true moto playground for all rider types.

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