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OK, who's the most consistent? It's Villopoto? Such a short period, so many wins and titles before he went fishing.
I'll see your post and raise you a 2016 Roczen. Don't know who I'd bet on after that.
If you wanna play that game, Reed has 5 SX championships, two more than Stew. How’s that sit with you?
Actually McGrath is more known for his 72 wins in my opinion. That's all that's ever talked about.
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Reed is higher on the "All timer" SX list than Stewart. How's that sit with you?
Dungey did have a better SX career than both RV and RC if we’re going by career points. Everything else is subjective. Each title means the same no matter how dominating, although like I said RCs in 06 and somewhat RVs in 11 are highly questionable. So when they all have roughly the same amount of titles (I don’t really give a shit about race wins, title is the goal) and you look at the years where they DIDN’T become champion, it’s not even close.
Dungey’s 3 more than competitive 3rds and 1 2nd blows RCs DNS, 16th, and 5th out of the water. As it does with RVs 6th, 4th and quitting early. And Dunge won as a rookie.
Hey I’m Aussie so that’s fine by me 😂 Maybe not by most here though.
But in all seriousness, there’s no right answer, you can twist it to suit most arguments. The only thing not in doubt is the King at no.1.
Lol
The OP’s list is on point👌👍
Championships are what matters.
Yeah RC wasn’t very good in 07. Lots of guys beat him in the championship that year. Many nights, it was like he wasn’t even there he was so bad!
You read the whole comment? In the 7 races he did, JS7 won 5. RC 2. RC left series 2nd in points.
People count seasons JS7 dropped out of after 1 or 2 rounds saying this guy beat him for the championship. Why can't we count 07? RC was getting handled in SX
But you're halfway discounting RC's '06 title and RV's '11 title, even though you said they all mean the same and that they're the ultimate goal (which I agree with). So should we discount Dungey's 2010 title because Villopoto crashed out halfway through? His 2017 title because Roczen crashed out Round 3? Every championship comes with a few breaks going in the champ's favor, doesn;t mean you can logically take titles away in a debate of who's better all time.
I know why you're discounting Carmichael's '06 title (the whole fuel thing), but how is Villopoto's 2011 title questioned? He beat out Reed, Stewart, and Dungey, each of which were present and competitive for basically the whole season. He even failed to make a main at Jacksonville that season because of a first-turn pile up, imagine how many more points he would've won by if he made that main event.
Bottom line is, the goal is championships. Villopoto beat Dungey for the championship every year they faced each other aside from 2010. I really don't care about who came 3rd in points more often, especially when Dungey's 3rds and 2nds in points were literally behind Villopoto because he was getting beaten by him almost every single week. And yes, that is how it went. Villopoto had Dungey's number 90% of the time they raced.
RV is grossly underrated
There’s a huge difference between leaving a series because you crashed out and committing to only a partial season before the series even starts.
Yes right after the 7 time SX Champion part.
Listen, we’re talking about the best to ever do it so we’re knit picking greatness. I only discount RV in 11 slightly because I think Dungey was better that year, he had a mechanical DNF and only lost the title by 10 points which is different than RV in 10 because his broken leg was a rider error. I totally discount Ricky in 06 because he lined up, raced, and got smoked by Stewart in the world rounds which should have counted.
So my reasoning for Dunge being 2nd best is based on them all being equal on titles, with him having astronomically better non title years than the two gingers. This theory also puts him 2nd on the all time outdoor 450 list as well.
Had Ricky Carmichael been cheating and using a performance enhancing drug like Adderall the same way James Stewart was, he would have beat him by even a higher point and Championship margin then the record books show. In 2007 when RC was ready to retire and start raising a family, he raced a part time series and still managed to beat James Stewart outdoors in 9 of the 12 motos they raced together. James Stewart shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Ricky Carmichael.
Shouldnt Cade Clason be a multi time champ since he was also using this super secret performance enhancing drug?
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Craig too… lmao
He didn’t win a championship until AFTER his suspension. Crazy how that works
MC, 7 titles 72 wins that’s the definition of consistently.
You discount Ricky in 06 for getting beat in two races in December? I know I say some dumb stuff on this board but this is a bridge to far even for me.
Pretty convenient that the 2006 WSX left Daytona out as well, another race JS cartwheeled in.
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2007 was RC at his best, he has said he’s best SX race ever was his last one and he won twice in seven races and this was RC at his best, he was visibly better then ever, And one of those wins was due to Chad taking James out at St Louis and you could see RC looking back quite a bit wondering where James was. He went 15 - 1 against Reed that year which is insane to think about and of course Reeds one win was when James crashed. I don’t see RC or MC ever going 15-1 against Reed.
I would say James 07, RC 01 and MC 96 would be my rankings and no one else is close. Including those champs other years.
Then You could say 02 RC, 09 Stew, 00 MC, 88 RJ, etc
James and RC raced together 10 times in 2007 not 12. Some of the best battles we’ve ever seen.
2007 RC was the best version which is crazy to think about. At least pre Millville RC.
Guys on vital claim RC was racing as a vacation in 2007. Delusional. He retired in his absolute peak prime. Even he has said it. And JS7 handled him in 07 SX. With ease
I always say that Villopoto and Carmichael, had they decided to go SX only for a few more years instead of straight up retiring, could have made a run at McGrath’s record of 72. Maybe even the 7 Championships too. McGrath went SX only at age 26. They both raced their last full season at age 26. McGrath got his last win at age 29. They’re the only 2 since MC’s retirement that would have even had a chance.
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