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I can‘t! It’s too much fun getting all the old farts here riled up. Seems like some of them are already having nightmares of getting passed silently by some goon on an eMX bike…
Haha, a Yank schooling a German on the environmental movement. That was already a thing here when Nancy Reagan was First Lady..
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I can maybe help with that. The start-up equipment costs and mechanic's certifications the FreeRide required were/are quite extreme, making most KTM dealerships unwilling to even TRY to sell them, as you had to commit to those obligations in order to even put the bike on the showroom floor. Given that the FreeRide is not a line of bikes but merely a SINGLE bike, the potential for a realizable profit margin was going to be razor-thin AT BEST, and pretty much every dealer figured that out and thus declined to offer them. If you stop and consider their dealership network's widespread reluctance to carry the FreeRide, then Pit Beier's comments that KTM/Husky/GasGas will only be using electrification for their smaller bikes (for now, anyway) is easy to suss, as the smaller engines likely require much less certification/equipment to service and sell. Has Stark solved this start-up cost dilemma?
WELL, HAVE THEY???? HUH?????
Who the hell knows?
Only time will tell what happens with moto-electrification, my troubled troubadours, as the proof shall be in the pudding - but I WILL say these two things:
1.) As someone who both owns his own track and also knows guys who own public tracks, the idea that noise is merely the first of many hurdles is just so damn laughable. Noise is not a hurdle, it's a 50 ft. WALL. Everything gets easier for every track owner in every corner of the world, once we're whisper quiet.
2. Stark developed the Varg's frame by performing an audit/autopsy of all the existing OEM frames, downloading that information into their computer system, and then telling that computer system what the test riders in magazines had said was good about the handling characteristics of each particular bike. Their computer then considered all that information carefully - as computer systems do - and it spit out a frame design that, according to EVERYONE who's ridden that bike, is fan-flipping-tastic. This is, quite perhaps, the shrewdest, most devilishly clever piece of competitive thinking I've ever heard of in my moto-life, it makes Lucien Wilkins and Valentino Ribi look like first-graders, and might also explain why all the other OEMs are bowing out of the E-bike competition for now. If you think they don't already know everything there is to know about the Stark Varg's capabilities and handling, including exactly how they got that frame to perform as it does and exactly why it would be virtually impossible for them to design one that BEATS it - well, ohhhhh-kay, sure.
I'll drop my mic now, as is my usual practice. Be well, and please stop with all your silly fussing.
Sound is so much of the racing experience, Imagine watching a SX race without never hearing the roar of the engines on the start, panic revs will no longer alert the crowd to potential drama. You think cross jumping is bad now imagine how bad it will be when riders can’t hear where the other riders are! I can see it now sitting in the stands watching SX with music playing over the stadium sound system just like some of the rider videos. The pits filled with gas generators to charge the batteries at out door races. Lol.
When F1 went to the new Turbo Engines the fans hated the lack of sound. Going from the high rpm scream to the low rpm deadened sound from the turbo acting like a muffler forced F1 to implement a mandatory exhaust change to make engines sound more aggressive.
Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd there one of you goes with the exact kind of silly fussing I just asked you to stop. E-bike don't HAVE to be quiet, you can easily make them noisy when and if there's a desire for that, like in a stadium race, for example. Just as F1 has done with their mandatory exhaust note - only better - you could TUNE the noise to the desired audience; but unlike F1, you could also make the bikes silent and stealthy when silent and stealthy is a preferable choice. And as for cross-jumping, unlike now, when you can get cross-jumped into without any prior notice whatsoever (and yeah, I have been), if the bike was electric and thus quiet, you could just yell out a helpful warning to your fellow racer prior to the impact.
Or am I wrong?
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A ‘citizens for a fair rate’ group need to get their asses in-front of the PUC -AND- you need to make sure you get the media in on it, too. You guys are probably waaaay more powerful, as an advocacy group, than you realize. Hell, the greenies would probably join you…
Good Luck!
What's the downtime to get it charged back up so that you can go out and ride for another 30 minutes?
It takes 2 minutes to fill up a gas tank and you're back out on the track.
One thing I’d like to know…when looking at the size of the potential ebike market…is what percentage of dirt bike owners exclusively ride motocross tracks (either their own tracks on their back yard 5 acres, or public tracks) and would be happy with 30 minutes of range?
Seems most anyone, but those people, would want/need longer range, and it therefore drastically diminishes the number of potential ebike buyers…is the number of potential buyers so small that they couldn’t sell enough of them to justify the R&D for a major manufacturer at this point (like KTM seems to be saying here?) and therefore it’s going to be small boutique brands (Alta Stark etc.) that can be happy with the profit they could make on them? (Though there didn’t seem to be enough buyers to keep Alta in business…and though Starks pre orders look awesome…we shall see how many of those pre orders actually buy…especially with the economy going to crap between the time they reserved and when the bike will actually be ready to purchase).
Fake sounds -
"Should I go with Bose speaker OEM option , or the Pro Circuit factory aftermarket set on my new gee-whiz bike, Alexa?"
"silly fussing".... more like: valid points.
$950 a month in the hot summer months is not uncommon in Socal. In my area, electric bills can exceed $1000 per month in the hottest months for people with decent sized houses, pools, electric cars, etc. This is why buying a solar system outright can pay itself off in 5-6 years and makes complete sense if you can afford it. Most people can't, and they get sucked into the financing thing and that's where it doesn't make sense to me.
In the article, Pit was mainly talking about the renewal of the contract between MotoGP promoters and manufacturers that would be ineffect from 2026 to 2031. Nobody expects batteries to take over by then but they have been taking steps since the introduction of the MotoE series. This year Ducati is supplying the bikes for this series, it's basically a spec series with really close racing, but its a good way to introduce electric into the program to figure out what works and what doesnt.
I’m from SoCal, born and raised outside of Palm Springs. That bill is still beyond ridiculous.
I’ve moved up to the PNW and I get irritated when I’m getting an electric bill of $150 during the winter.
Beyond ridiculous is right. They are heavily gouging us but luckily I have my electricity covered until they continue spiking rates beyond my production capability. But now they are really stiffing everyone hard with natural gas. How's my latest gas bill look to you? F'ing ridiculous:
I obviously don’t know. However, looking at the battery size and if they can get the efficiency of the battery-electronics-motor package to 90%, 30 min should be possible, even full tilt. So at normal pace, the bike would probably have 20%-30% left.
Normally the battery charges much quicker to 80% than it does from 80% to 100%. They say from empty to full it’s 2h. So I assume it’s going to take about an hour to be back to 30 min running time (on 230V).
I‘d be happy if I could do warmup laps, two 15 min motos and a bit of play riding at the end in a 45 HP setting on one charge. And I think the bike can do that.
You're wasting your breath. The guy will gladly get on the railcar at gunpoint with a smile on his face thinking..."man, I can't wait for the shower".
That's pretty fucked up, even for you
Temecula is like a fucking blast furnace from July to October.
the 950 number is at the low end, one bill was around 1200 bucks for one month of service.
3 A/C compressors, too many refrigerators, an electric car, and pool pumps suck the juice…
that’s why I invested in solar power- I haven’t paid one penny to the utility since my system went on line last year.
2 powerwalls provide stored energy from sundown to sunup.
and I get a tax credit this year for the system.
The point being....some people will be deluded by lies and propaganda...all in the name of "greater good"...until it's too late.
Nice, except now I get 2 motos tops out of a full battery and now have to bring a generator to the track. Like it or not, not everyone on vital is a keyboard rider. Some of us really do 25 minute motos and use nearly a whole tank of gas in the process. Stay mad eBoi.
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Only if it's an electric powered locomotive. Wouldn't wanna make any noise or emit a single unapproved smokey.
Everyone knows the point you are trying to make
Btw Pit commented on the “immediate future”. He didn’t say KTM is ignoring Battery power.. the writing is on the wall that they are going to force the manufacturers’ hand here. The immediate future is the next 5 years. 10-15 years from now most here will have pitchforks ready to revolt over what is or has happened. Too many people keep saying they CAN’T take away gas powered bikes. Unless you realize they can before they do, and you do something about it, they most certainly will.
In our life time ICE will be a history lesson. Will Electric be dominate, nope. The power is here now and we are just not aware of it.
I've always lived by an axiom that states, If you can think of it - it has already been done. If you can't think of it - then it is soon to be done.
The future cannot be stopped.
That's just gibberish lol
Cue the aliens meme guy
If hips were involved in that commentary I’d have the answer as to who that was.
No, that crosses the line! It was all in good fun, but how can post something like that? I can take a good insult, but that is just disgusting. I reported you.
And great job in giving a post like that a like Jrey2!
Wow..... you are a fragile one aren't you. I used symbolism to describe the kind of person you are. Did the truth hit a little close to home there, little sheep....
Or...are you play acting? I noticed you originally "thumbed up" the post in question....then removed it. "Gasp...i'm offended..." suddenly.
You've been trolling me for months now in threads and I've ignored you because as others have pointed out...you are a joke.
You want to play.... I'm your huckleberry...
Fragile? Using the holocaust, the death of millions of jews and minorities like the Sinti and Roma, the industrialisation of mass murder, the worst atrocity mankind has ever seen just to insult me over something stupid like an argument about an electric mx bike! Are you insane? You should be ashamed of yourself!! That’s in the true sense of the word despicable!
Go cry somewhere else
jesus. what a bunch of morans.
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