KTMs Pit Beirer "Batteries not the immediate future"

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Japanese development has prioritized hydrogen ICE, not electric. 
 

The west is developing electric. 
 

a hydrogen hybrid ICE is probably the long term answer. 

Brad460 wrote:
Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to...

Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to “make” hydrogen requires fossil fuels so there’s that..

Lots of limitation with hydrogen when you look at its details..

 

#434 wrote:
The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:    

The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:

 

 

Yes- everything she says. 
 

Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will not spend time watching this type of video.

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I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me...

I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me "What is your electricity bill with Solar?"

Point being, the cost of electricity is skyrocketing in CA.  If this continues and the price of gas keeps falling, it will soon be equivalent or even cheaper to drive an ICE car compared to an electric vehicle.  If you talk to my friends, it's almost like they just replaced their gas bill with an electric bill and have little cost savings, for now.

When electricity was cheap, everyone thought they were getting a free lunch when buying an electric car....not so much anymore.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

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#434 wrote:
Says the Texan.. It‘s not true. Tracks close bc neighbors complain about noise. That’s it. There’s no agenda of the green party or so to ban...

Says the Texan..

It‘s not true. Tracks close bc neighbors complain about noise. That’s it. There’s no agenda of the green party or so to ban moto. 

Today the excuse is noise. Tomorrow it will be something else. It always is. You only have to look at the current battles on mountain bike trails, or even paved bike paths, to see to future issues for electric. There are videos out there, two bicycles on the same path, one acoustic and one electric, and the person on the acoustic bike is berating the person on the e-bike, claiming that they are not allowed on the trail, that "no powered vehicles are allowed on the trail"--they simply relabeled e-bike as "powered vehicle or motorized vehicle" and now the fight is on to ban electric bicycles from the trails, as if they were motorcycles. It's not that they can't coexist, they can, but one party doesn't like the other party's choice of bicycle, so they want to ban it. 

I've worked in the environmental industry for decades, I understand the game quite well, and it just saddens me what you all are going through over there. As a kid, I always dreamed of what it must be like to grow up and ride in Belgium, where Roger Decoster or Joel Robert came from. These were Gods when they came to the US, so I pictured their homeland as some sort of fantasyland! 

My point is not to argue with you, but to simply make the point that, to win, you must understand the battle and the enemy in order to defeat them.  

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Jrey2 wrote:
dude was the janitor maybe. He also told me he works for thermodynamics not long ago. He posts tabloid tier youtube videos as his evidence as...

dude was the janitor maybe. He also told me he works for thermodynamics not long ago. He posts tabloid tier youtube videos as his evidence as to why he's right in every thead he shills in.

 

He's a draftsman or technician at best. Everything he posts, write it off. 

Trust me....I started passing over his posts long ago....

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I dunno. Maybe bitching about emtbs is a thing in US. I have had zero problems.

I even raced in same class as regular bikes. It was DH race so no pedaling was required.

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KTM wants to milk money out as long as they can. Their profit from simple ICE engine bike is superior and bike will need replacement parts soon as you roll out from shop. You will make less money doing proper E-MX bike and cant sell engine and gearbox parts every month for same bike. 

Lets hope Stark will do what Tesla did to car segment soon and others have to follow. 

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38special wrote:
Finally, a manufacturer says what everybody knows, but is afraid to say.  Props to KTM on saying something that actually makes sense on electric vehicles. Much...

Finally, a manufacturer says what everybody knows, but is afraid to say.  Props to KTM on saying something that actually makes sense on electric vehicles.

Much better than the token virtual signal PR that "we'll be all electric by 20XX"

If you don't virtue signal RE: electrification, then the capitol available to you via ESG investing dries up.  Say what you will, but the EV PR machine has been railing hard on Toyota in recent years for their stance on electrification.  Now they have a new CEO.

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I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me...

I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me "What is your electricity bill with Solar?"

Point being, the cost of electricity is skyrocketing in CA.  If this continues and the price of gas keeps falling, it will soon be equivalent or even cheaper to drive an ICE car compared to an electric vehicle.  If you talk to my friends, it's almost like they just replaced their gas bill with an electric bill and have little cost savings, for now.

When electricity was cheap, everyone thought they were getting a free lunch when buying an electric car....not so much anymore.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

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#434 wrote:
Says the Texan.. It‘s not true. Tracks close bc neighbors complain about noise. That’s it. There’s no agenda of the green party or so to ban...

Says the Texan..

It‘s not true. Tracks close bc neighbors complain about noise. That’s it. There’s no agenda of the green party or so to ban moto. 

Graybeard wrote:
Today the excuse is noise. Tomorrow it will be something else. It always is. You only have to look at the current battles on mountain bike...

Today the excuse is noise. Tomorrow it will be something else. It always is. You only have to look at the current battles on mountain bike trails, or even paved bike paths, to see to future issues for electric. There are videos out there, two bicycles on the same path, one acoustic and one electric, and the person on the acoustic bike is berating the person on the e-bike, claiming that they are not allowed on the trail, that "no powered vehicles are allowed on the trail"--they simply relabeled e-bike as "powered vehicle or motorized vehicle" and now the fight is on to ban electric bicycles from the trails, as if they were motorcycles. It's not that they can't coexist, they can, but one party doesn't like the other party's choice of bicycle, so they want to ban it. 

I've worked in the environmental industry for decades, I understand the game quite well, and it just saddens me what you all are going through over there. As a kid, I always dreamed of what it must be like to grow up and ride in Belgium, where Roger Decoster or Joel Robert came from. These were Gods when they came to the US, so I pictured their homeland as some sort of fantasyland! 

My point is not to argue with you, but to simply make the point that, to win, you must understand the battle and the enemy in order to defeat them.  

I can only speak from my experience here in Germany. If you have a track (and the permit), there are three thing that can take it away from you. Noise, dust and oil contamination of the soil. Quite bikes, a sprinkler system and a matt under the bikes and you have no problem.

Buddy of mine owns a track for 30 years. He says dealing with the authorities is no problem when you play by the rules. 

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Jrey2 wrote:
dude was the janitor maybe. He also told me he works for thermodynamics not long ago. He posts tabloid tier youtube videos as his evidence as...

dude was the janitor maybe. He also told me he works for thermodynamics not long ago. He posts tabloid tier youtube videos as his evidence as to why he's right in every thead he shills in.

 

He's a draftsman or technician at best. Everything he posts, write it off. 

Magoofan wrote:

Trust me....I started passing over his posts long ago....

Obviously not..

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1/30/2023 12:08pm
I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me...

I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me "What is your electricity bill with Solar?"

Point being, the cost of electricity is skyrocketing in CA.  If this continues and the price of gas keeps falling, it will soon be equivalent or even cheaper to drive an ICE car compared to an electric vehicle.  If you talk to my friends, it's almost like they just replaced their gas bill with an electric bill and have little cost savings, for now.

When electricity was cheap, everyone thought they were getting a free lunch when buying an electric car....not so much anymore.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

As far as natural gas, it more than doubled this month in CA.  They are claiming there's a shortage combined with extreme cold weather conditions across the country.

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I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me...

I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me "What is your electricity bill with Solar?"

Point being, the cost of electricity is skyrocketing in CA.  If this continues and the price of gas keeps falling, it will soon be equivalent or even cheaper to drive an ICE car compared to an electric vehicle.  If you talk to my friends, it's almost like they just replaced their gas bill with an electric bill and have little cost savings, for now.

When electricity was cheap, everyone thought they were getting a free lunch when buying an electric car....not so much anymore.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

As far as natural gas, it more than doubled this month in CA.  They are claiming there's a shortage combined with extreme cold weather conditions across...

As far as natural gas, it more than doubled this month in CA.  They are claiming there's a shortage combined with extreme cold weather conditions across the country.

Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into "green" public transportation. 

 

My  yearly solar system credit will be gone this year. 

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#434 wrote:

I‘d say the same if I had nothing in the development pipeline for the near future. 

8500rpm wrote:
Yeah, same as some Japanese brands and electric cars. Honda, Toyota and many are behind and generally they are a bit sceptical about electric cars. Now...

Yeah, same as some Japanese brands and electric cars. Honda, Toyota and many are behind and generally they are a bit sceptical about electric cars. Now, we don't know if they are right or if they are the first losers. We will know 2035 maybe.

When Toyota arent going big into EV's after doing the first one, its a telling sign

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Brad460 wrote:
Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to...

Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to “make” hydrogen requires fossil fuels so there’s that..

Lots of limitation with hydrogen when you look at its details..

 

#434 wrote:
The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:    

The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:

 

 

Brad460 wrote:
Yes- everything she says.    Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will...

Yes- everything she says. 
 

Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will not spend time watching this type of video.

To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify)

I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that) and can also see vast improvements in production technology as they lean into electrolytic and direct solar processes…and away from thermochemical. You’d think they’d really lean into the future potential bio-mass-conversion; but, hey…why look into making something from sources like waste-water, right? Laughing

Sometimes I smh when I look at the technology/technologies we pursue versus the ones we should for our own long-term benefit. 

Personally, I like pursuing all these technologies and seeing their benefits to the ongoing global energy supply insanity. 

Then again, y’all might jus’ wanna ignore me…I’m one of those guys that thinks Nuke Energy is the way to go. Look at Palo Verde in Arizona as an example. 

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I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me...

I'm in CA and I have a couple friends who have recently bought their first electric vehicle.   I have solar so they both asked me "What is your electricity bill with Solar?"

Point being, the cost of electricity is skyrocketing in CA.  If this continues and the price of gas keeps falling, it will soon be equivalent or even cheaper to drive an ICE car compared to an electric vehicle.  If you talk to my friends, it's almost like they just replaced their gas bill with an electric bill and have little cost savings, for now.

When electricity was cheap, everyone thought they were getting a free lunch when buying an electric car....not so much anymore.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

pops wrote:

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

Out of control inflation?  Inflation-nationally-has been dropping since like September.

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Magoofan wrote:
Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into...

Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into "green" public transportation. 

 

My  yearly solar system credit will be gone this year. 

Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me!

Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10 from a year ago.

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wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

pops wrote:

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

Titan1 wrote:

Out of control inflation?  Inflation-nationally-has been dropping since like September.

You mean coming down to 6.5 in December from 9.1 in June…? Still, is 6.5 “a good thing”? Laughing

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#434 wrote:
The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:    

The most recent and best (researched) video I‘ve seen on the topic:

 

 

Brad460 wrote:
Yes- everything she says.    Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will...

Yes- everything she says. 
 

Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will not spend time watching this type of video.

TeamGreen wrote:
To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify) I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that)...

To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify)

I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that) and can also see vast improvements in production technology as they lean into electrolytic and direct solar processes…and away from thermochemical. You’d think they’d really lean into the future potential bio-mass-conversion; but, hey…why look into making something from sources like waste-water, right? Laughing

Sometimes I smh when I look at the technology/technologies we pursue versus the ones we should for our own long-term benefit. 

Personally, I like pursuing all these technologies and seeing their benefits to the ongoing global energy supply insanity. 

Then again, y’all might jus’ wanna ignore me…I’m one of those guys that thinks Nuke Energy is the way to go. Look at Palo Verde in Arizona as an example. 

Yep, you usually split water or methan to get pure hydrogen, which takes a lot of energy. In the video, wind or solar powered electrolysis is among the most expensive ways to go. AND hydrogen is a nightmare to compress and store. 

Actually, running a nuclear plant and producing hydrogen, ammonia or methanol when there’s excess energy would is a good idea. 

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wrc777 wrote:
Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot...

Rates aren’t just going up in CA. We are seeing significant increases in Indiana and we still have coal and natural gas power plants. A lot of the electricity in the US is natural gas based and the cost of gas has increased a lot in the last year. Coal isn’t getting cheaper either. 

pops wrote:

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

Titan1 wrote:

Out of control inflation?  Inflation-nationally-has been dropping since like September.

Gas on the rise again(now that the elections are over)....

 

$8 per case bottled water.

 

Since like Biden was elected.

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Magoofan wrote:
Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into...

Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into "green" public transportation. 

 

My  yearly solar system credit will be gone this year. 

early wrote:
Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me! Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10...

Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me!

Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10 from a year ago.

Ummmm.... when I said "credit"....it means what I've banked as far as my power generation that exceeds what I've used in a year. 

 

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TeamGreen wrote:
To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify) I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that)...

To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify)

I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that) and can also see vast improvements in production technology as they lean into electrolytic and direct solar processes…and away from thermochemical. You’d think they’d really lean into the future potential bio-mass-conversion; but, hey…why look into making something from sources like waste-water, right? Laughing

Sometimes I smh when I look at the technology/technologies we pursue versus the ones we should for our own long-term benefit. 

Personally, I like pursuing all these technologies and seeing their benefits to the ongoing global energy supply insanity. 

Then again, y’all might jus’ wanna ignore me…I’m one of those guys that thinks Nuke Energy is the way to go. Look at Palo Verde in Arizona as an example. 

 

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Magoofan wrote:
Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into...

Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into "green" public transportation. 

 

My  yearly solar system credit will be gone this year. 

early wrote:
Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me! Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10...

Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me!

Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10 from a year ago.

Magoofan wrote:

Ummmm.... when I said "credit"....it means what I've banked as far as my power generation that exceeds what I've used in a year. 

 

Are you on NEM 2.0?  I've heard things are really getting ugly with NEM 3.0 soon. Are they taking your credit for overproduction away completely?  Or, are they trying to square up with you monthly (or even daily) for your overproduction?  Meaning, that if you overproduce in the summer months, you won't be able to bank that excess power for the winter months when you need it. 

1/30/2023 1:10pm

Japanese development has prioritized hydrogen ICE, not electric. 
 

The west is developing electric. 
 

a hydrogen hybrid ICE is probably the long term answer. 

Brad460 wrote:
Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to...

Hydrogen is likely not a long term answer either…For example- all the existing pipelines would need to be replaced due to hydrogen embrittlement. The process to “make” hydrogen requires fossil fuels so there’s that..

Lots of limitation with hydrogen when you look at its details..

 

There are certainly challenges. 

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pops wrote:

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

Titan1 wrote:

Out of control inflation?  Inflation-nationally-has been dropping since like September.

TeamGreen wrote:
You mean coming down to 6.5 in December from 9.1 in June…? Still, is 6.5 “a good thing”? 

You mean coming down to 6.5 in December from 9.1 in June…? Still, is 6.5 “a good thing”? Laughing

Well, not to split hairs, but its 5.5 based on the CPE released last week...and that's not good...though better than June...my only point was that inflation is dropping, and not "out of control"...

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Brad460 wrote:
Yes- everything she says.    Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will...

Yes- everything she says. 
 

Right now, companies like to claim “hydrogen” capable engines for marketing reason, well knowing it will not be viable..and people will not spend time watching this type of video.

TeamGreen wrote:
To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify) I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that)...

To be fair…it takes “energy” to produce Hydrogen, right? (Intended only to clarify)

I can see reasonable growth/expansion of hydrogen fuel availability (we’ve already seen that) and can also see vast improvements in production technology as they lean into electrolytic and direct solar processes…and away from thermochemical. You’d think they’d really lean into the future potential bio-mass-conversion; but, hey…why look into making something from sources like waste-water, right? Laughing

Sometimes I smh when I look at the technology/technologies we pursue versus the ones we should for our own long-term benefit. 

Personally, I like pursuing all these technologies and seeing their benefits to the ongoing global energy supply insanity. 

Then again, y’all might jus’ wanna ignore me…I’m one of those guys that thinks Nuke Energy is the way to go. Look at Palo Verde in Arizona as an example. 

#434 wrote:
Yep, you usually split water or methan to get pure hydrogen, which takes a lot of energy. In the video, wind or solar powered electrolysis is...

Yep, you usually split water or methan to get pure hydrogen, which takes a lot of energy. In the video, wind or solar powered electrolysis is among the most expensive ways to go. AND hydrogen is a nightmare to compress and store. 

Actually, running a nuclear plant and producing hydrogen, ammonia or methanol when there’s excess energy would is a good idea. 

Nuclear power is probably the best idea to provide cheap power to masses of people to charge their cars. 
 

If it can help with hydrogen, even better. 

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Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into...

Yup.    Welcome to Europe everyone!     gas and electricity.  Taxes on mileage driving, tolls.    All designed to get us off the road an into "green" public transportation. 

 

My  yearly solar system credit will be gone this year. 

early wrote:
Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me! Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10...

Lol, railing against user fees and lamenting your lost tax credit, sounds like socialism to me!

Btw, my gas rate per MCF has gone down $.10 from a year ago.

Magoofan wrote:

Ummmm.... when I said "credit"....it means what I've banked as far as my power generation that exceeds what I've used in a year. 

 

Sounds like a problem with the net metering laws of your state

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1/30/2023 1:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/30/2023 1:22pm

Sounds like KTM has come to the same conclusion as Triumph.  Triumph spent years working on an E Street Bike and pretty much said, "the technology isn't there yet" to give customers what they want at the price they are willing to pay.

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Are you on NEM 2.0?  I've heard things are really getting ugly with NEM 3.0 soon. Are they taking your credit for overproduction away completely?  Or...

Are you on NEM 2.0?  I've heard things are really getting ugly with NEM 3.0 soon. Are they taking your credit for overproduction away completely?  Or, are they trying to square up with you monthly (or even daily) for your overproduction?  Meaning, that if you overproduce in the summer months, you won't be able to bank that excess power for the winter months when you need it. 

We're on 2.0....yeah 3.0 is a concern.  

As of now, the overproduction credit isn't going away....it's just that electric rates have gone up so when we settle up at the end of the year (True UP date)  that "credit" will be greatly diminished or gone.  

The only difference is rates is "peak" and off-peak" during the day/night....there is no difference for summer/winter.

I want to install batteries at some point to tell the electric company to f**K off.    Waiting for that technology to mature and come down. 

1/30/2023 1:23pm
Larry450 wrote:
I dunno. Maybe bitching about emtbs is a thing in US. I have had zero problems. I even raced in same class as regular bikes. It...

I dunno. Maybe bitching about emtbs is a thing in US. I have had zero problems.

I even raced in same class as regular bikes. It was DH race so no pedaling was required.

Oh man, don't get US mountain bike purists started on emtbs. If you ever want to witness a shitshow, just hop into the emtb threads on any given mountain bike forum. To some Americans (especially Southern Californian Americans), you're worse than a pedophile if you ride an emtb.

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1/30/2023 1:25pm
pops wrote:

EVERYTHING is higher with out of control inflation! You get what you vote for

Titan1 wrote:

Out of control inflation?  Inflation-nationally-has been dropping since like September.

TeamGreen wrote:
You mean coming down to 6.5 in December from 9.1 in June…? Still, is 6.5 “a good thing”? 

You mean coming down to 6.5 in December from 9.1 in June…? Still, is 6.5 “a good thing”? Laughing

Same with fuel prices. Go to record highs. Then when it comes down a little, take a victory lap. Even though it’s still almost double from 3 years ago!!

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