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“We don’t see that the technology is on the table at the moment to transfer mass production bikes into something like battery [powered] motorcycles,”
“We have a clear commitment to replace smaller engines, like 65cc kids bikes or less than 100cc for urban mobility or around cities with scooters – we see all of this segment as making sense to do it with a battery.
“Everything else, and for what we call a full-size motorcycle from 125cc upwards, we see still the combustion engine as the solution in the near future.”
…Seb Tortelli just took his shirt off…
He can take it off all he wants. Until Stark delivers what they have promised to consumers, they are just blowing smoke.
The e-bike fan-bois are going to piss themselves over this news.
that’s why i am a KTM customer for the foreseeable future!
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I‘d say the same if I had nothing in the development pipeline for the near future.
Yeah, same as some Japanese brands and electric cars. Honda, Toyota and many are behind and generally they are a bit sceptical about electric cars. Now, we don't know if they are right or if they are the first losers. We will know 2035 maybe.
Honda at least seem the furthest down the road with it out of the big six. (At least with the photos we’ve seen of it)
all it’s going to take is one of the big six releasing one and the rest will be scrambling to catch up.
I think electric cars will only be the future if the respective government wants them to succeed and provides the infrastructure.
But in moto that’s not an issue. Most important thing is performance and secondly practicability. If Stark delivers close to what they promise (about 75% of the promised power and range and 10 lbs more weight), this thing is going to be a smash hit, because normally skilled riders will be much faster on them, with less mistakes and fatigue (which is also safer) and will spend way less time in garage doing maintenance.
And think about the numbers that have been ordered. The big manufacturers are worried, but I don’t know if they’re worried enough to put some serious money into development. Doesn’t look like it at the moment.
Elon Musk agrees.
Doesn’t KTM already have an electric bike, on the market?
Japanese development has prioritized hydrogen ICE, not electric.
The west is developing electric.
a hydrogen hybrid ICE is probably the long term answer.
They had the Freeride E already at select dealerships in 2012. Not sure if it still exits but when you went to the factory Mattighofen they had a small track there for people to try the e-bikes. So they definitely have made some learnings with the electric motors and what it takes to set up dealerships in order to sell/service them which also brings some extra requirements.
In my sport of karting we've moved towards power units that require less maintenance. licence figures have dropped 50% in 25 years since their introduction into the market place. They grew rapidly, but within a diminishing overall market. Spending time in the garage is what the sport's culture is largely built upon. Lose it at your peril. The less there is to talk about and discover, the easier it is to dispose of. So you might also get diminished audience figures and that has knock on effects.
Be careful what you wish for.
Really curious why you would even make this statement in todays climate. Would probably been better to just keep being silent on the subject.
You have to differentiate racing from riding/driving for fun. For the serious racing community, I would agree. But for the rest (maybe 80%) of the MX riders I think less time and money on maintenance is a benefit. I know it’s for me. You can still spend time in the garage. You just don’t have to spend it on stuff like cleaning filters and oil changes.
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Interesting aspect probably not thought of before. Do they have plans to change?
Not a core MX bike. But you know that already.
Do you mean because of having motors 'sealed' by only approved engine builders? So people cannot go work on them at home themselves?
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Finally, a manufacturer says what everybody knows, but is afraid to say. Props to KTM on saying something that actually makes sense on electric vehicles.
Much better than the token virtual signal PR that "we'll be all electric by 20XX"
So he is basically surrendering and accepting the death of the sport in certain central European countries and other places with lots of people in tiny areas?
Somehow i doubt that.
He only said that KTM doesn’t believe in battery powered full sized bikes and that it is not what they will be developing. No reason, just as a statement. So what makes so much sense to you?
I read the whole interview where he also gives no real reasoning for KTMs decision. He just says that mining lithium is bad and e-fuels are the way to go. It’s just that lithium (other materials are) isn’t problematic and that there are still no large e-fuel production sites anywhere, which tells me that Pit has either no idea or is just saying what Mr. Pierer told him to say.
And before anybody asks what I know about.. the company I work for is in a collaboration with Siemens and Porsche to establish an e-Fuel production site. It’s coming, but it’s gonna take few years.
you just make this stuff up as you go lol
People in these areas will ride in designated areas without noise restrictions, probably near farms.
Just like they always have, and always will.
How so?
So you‘ve never been to Europe. Germany has 2,5 times higher population density than California and the Netherlands 5 times.
There are no areas without noise restrictions in Central Europe.
Where have you seen Japan prioritize hydrogen ICE? If you think Toyota, look at the hydrogen car they have available right now, no ICE.
This is probably a response to the English Federation approving the Stark to race in the 250 and 450 class. KTM ready to block that in AMA and FIM, just like honda and 2 strokes.
Pits full of smoky generators! Can't wait!
Glad to see Pit being practical and keeping the ICE engines around for a bit longer. The ICE versus electric debate always devolves into a political debate which I won’t get into.
One of my biggest concerns with electric vehicles is the cost of battery replacement when the battery goes. I’m sure the cost of batteries will come down but replacing a battery will make rebuilding a fourstroke look like couch-change.
"I’m sure the cost of batteries will come down but replacing a battery will make rebuilding a fourstroke look like couch-change."
Most likely, but you won't have to replace the battery every season.
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