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Mr. Afterbar
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1/18/2023 2:19pm

It’s Kawasaki and Mitch’s fault that the riders on his team get injured?? We really need some racing to talk about around here. That is one of the sillier things I’ve read in a while. PC had a winning record back in the day. The top riders thought they had to be there to win. PC had an advantage when 4 strokes came about and that ideology carried on. That was 15+ years ago now and PC simply doesn’t attract the top guys anymore. If anything, maybe Mitch isn’t as hungry as he was all those years ago before so much success, but none of it has anything to do with riders on his team getting injured IMO.  

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to...

I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to win to earn anything for your efforts it magnifies things in the wrong way more often than not.

They’re not the top team any longer, their contracts are competitive with everyone else’s. 

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1/18/2023 2:29pm
It’s Kawasaki and Mitch’s fault that the riders on his team get injured?? We really need some racing to talk about around here. That is one...

It’s Kawasaki and Mitch’s fault that the riders on his team get injured?? We really need some racing to talk about around here. That is one of the sillier things I’ve read in a while. PC had a winning record back in the day. The top riders thought they had to be there to win. PC had an advantage when 4 strokes came about and that ideology carried on. That was 15+ years ago now and PC simply doesn’t attract the top guys anymore. If anything, maybe Mitch isn’t as hungry as he was all those years ago before so much success, but none of it has anything to do with riders on his team getting injured IMO.  

This post about sums it all up. 
 

 Ryder will pan out, he’s the real deal. 
 

 The OG Jett has his work cut out for him, they moved him up to a 250 to early and he needs to get himself healthy without the pressure of having to ride. 

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Trickamoto
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1/18/2023 3:59pm

too bad. wanted to see him race deegan

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

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1/18/2023 4:59pm
Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

Ryder showed himself at the front more last year than Haiden ever did 

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1/18/2023 5:03pm

too bad. wanted to see him race deegan

Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

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1/18/2023 5:30pm

too bad. wanted to see him race deegan

Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

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1/18/2023 5:43pm
Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

AC also won everything...

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Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

I was at Ironman last year, he has a lot of work to do. Care to put some money down towards a charity?

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1/18/2023 6:01pm
Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

Comparing Deegan to Bubba or Ricky is pretty laughable. Sure he’s been fast as an amateur but so have a thousand other kids that went nowhere in the sport as a professional. Maybe you’re a big fan of his, which is fine

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Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

Is this the guy who bet everyone money a few years ago that JCoop was going to win the outdoor title? I think it was 2019, still waiting on the check in the mail. 

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I want to see Mitch and Troy Lee do a gasgas team together. With coors light as the title sponsor. 

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1/18/2023 7:34pm
zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

AC also won everything...

Injuries are a bitch aren’t they?

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1/18/2023 7:36pm
zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

davis224 wrote:

I was at Ironman last year, he has a lot of work to do. Care to put some money down towards a charity?

Man that was a long time ago now in the dirtbike world. And many thousands of laps spun since at the goat farm with some of the best riders in the world. Prodigies learn quick at that age. I don’t know, I’m a YouTube junkie I watch every single thing. Maybe I’m drinking the Kool-Aid but I like what I see.

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1/18/2023 8:00pm
Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

AC also won everything...

Trickamoto wrote:

Injuries are a bitch aren’t they?

The point was that you can't predict the future. Haiden has done exceptionally well as an amateur, but all of that doesn't mean a thing. That success does not mean he'll go on to have a HOF-pro career. Only time will tell. 

Mike Alessi is another one that won everything as an amateur and never won a professional championship. Mike had a great career, but far from what a lot of people expected him to do, and his career wasn't derailed by a lot of injuries like Cianciarulo. 

At least you're not one of those fans that said he was going to spank the field at his pro debut. There's drinking the Kool-Aid and then there's cult-level fandom. The latter are delusional. 

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prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

vdrsnk04 wrote:
Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury...

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

prozach wrote:

That program also groomed RC, Stewart, and RV.  I remember all of them being pretty bad ass and successful.  

Stewart did NOT ride for PC Kawasaki.... He rode for the Factory Kawasaki team.... just a point of clarification!

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1/20/2023 3:42pm
Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top 10. 

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Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

ACBailey89 wrote:
If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top...

If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top 10. 

Haiden Deegan

34-24 for 31st at Ironman.

16-10 for 13th at Fox Raceway 2


For Comparison: Ryder DiFrancesco

14-12 for 13th at RedBud

13-8 for 8th at Millville

8-37 for 15th at Unadilla

17-14 for 17th at Ironman

15-31 for 19th at Fox Raceway 2

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Rats!

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Trickamoto wrote:

I don’t think that those guys will ever be within a half a lap of each other. I could see Haiden winning nationals this summer.

zehn wrote:

Based on? Deegan has shown nothing to suggest he's going to win a National this year

Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

How is he going to be winning nationals with Ryder D  a half a lap ahead of him 

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Trickamoto wrote:
He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every...

He has shown the same as when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart came out and started winning nationals their first year. And that’s winning basically every single race he’s been in up to this point….. and most recently completely embarrassing other amateurs he’s been competing against. I’ve studied this sport for 40 years and you can tell when something great is about to Hit the pro scene. You’ll see. 

ACBailey89 wrote:
If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top...

If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top 10. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Haiden Deegan 34-24 for 31st at Ironman. 16-10 for 13th at Fox Raceway 2 For Comparison: Ryder DiFrancesco 14-12 for 13th at RedBud 13-8 for 8th...

Haiden Deegan

34-24 for 31st at Ironman.

16-10 for 13th at Fox Raceway 2


For Comparison: Ryder DiFrancesco

14-12 for 13th at RedBud

13-8 for 8th at Millville

8-37 for 15th at Unadilla

17-14 for 17th at Ironman

15-31 for 19th at Fox Raceway 2

Ryder ran top 5 for 27 min in his 2nd moto as a pro and came from last to 14th in his first moto ..Was 8th overall in his 2nd pro national ..He got hurt at Unadilla and rode injured after that ..Haiden is loaded with talent but so is Ryder D .

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 Wish them both the best, however it will be a long time before I ever hear Haiden Deegans name and not think immediately of the 2022 LL's claim fiasco and how every adult surrounding his team and thier groupies and the AMA, MX sports officials acted as they screwed the kid that rightfully claimed Deegans bike rotten and out of "his" bike to boot. SHAME.

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bigsal wrote:
 Wish them both the best, however it will be a long time before I ever hear Haiden Deegans name and not think immediately of the 2022...

 Wish them both the best, however it will be a long time before I ever hear Haiden Deegans name and not think immediately of the 2022 LL's claim fiasco and how every adult surrounding his team and thier groupies and the AMA, MX sports officials acted as they screwed the kid that rightfully claimed Deegans bike rotten and out of "his" bike to boot. SHAME.

That vas  a complete joke.. thats for sure ...He was even being nice to let deegan race the bike the next day because he didnt have to the class the bike was claimed in was over ..He should have taken the bike right then loaded it up and left ..

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ACBailey89 wrote:
If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top...

If that was the case he would of went won his first two nationals like stew did. Pretty sure deegan didn’t even get into the top 10. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Haiden Deegan 34-24 for 31st at Ironman. 16-10 for 13th at Fox Raceway 2 For Comparison: Ryder DiFrancesco 14-12 for 13th at RedBud 13-8 for 8th...

Haiden Deegan

34-24 for 31st at Ironman.

16-10 for 13th at Fox Raceway 2


For Comparison: Ryder DiFrancesco

14-12 for 13th at RedBud

13-8 for 8th at Millville

8-37 for 15th at Unadilla

17-14 for 17th at Ironman

15-31 for 19th at Fox Raceway 2

mjones7212 wrote:
Ryder ran top 5 for 27 min in his 2nd moto as a pro and came from last to 14th in his first moto ..Was 8th...

Ryder ran top 5 for 27 min in his 2nd moto as a pro and came from last to 14th in his first moto ..Was 8th overall in his 2nd pro national ..He got hurt at Unadilla and rode injured after that ..Haiden is loaded with talent but so is Ryder D .

From what I seen last season. Ryder d is faster but didn't have good fitness.

Deegan seemed to be able to keep his pace for longer. But his best lap times were well off the pace. In the 4 races Deegan raced jetts slowest lap time for that race was faster then deegans fastest lap. (excluding his slow crusing last lap) . His average lap time was about 5-6 seconds down. So he has a lot of work do.

 

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mx313 wrote:
From what I seen last season. Ryder d is faster but didn't have good fitness. Deegan seemed to be able to keep his pace for longer...

From what I seen last season. Ryder d is faster but didn't have good fitness.

Deegan seemed to be able to keep his pace for longer. But his best lap times were well off the pace. In the 4 races Deegan raced jetts slowest lap time for that race was faster then deegans fastest lap. (excluding his slow crusing last lap) . His average lap time was about 5-6 seconds down. So he has a lot of work do.

 

Valid point, but to be fair Ryder D has been injured on and off the last couple years. He  get the fitness side of things corrected.

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ty159 wrote:

Stewart did NOT ride for PC Kawasaki.... He rode for the Factory Kawasaki team.... just a point of clarification!

Looks like a PC Kawasaki to me. 

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RyanD797 wrote:
Looks like a PC Kawasaki to me. 

Looks like a PC Kawasaki to me. 

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I sure hope your being sarcastic.

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury...

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

prozach wrote:

That program also groomed RC, Stewart, and RV.  I remember all of them being pretty bad ass and successful.  

ty159 wrote:

Stewart did NOT ride for PC Kawasaki.... He rode for the Factory Kawasaki team.... just a point of clarification!

He came up through the team green pc program.  

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RyanD797 wrote:
Looks like a PC Kawasaki to me. 

Looks like a PC Kawasaki to me. 

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ACBailey89 wrote:

I sure hope your being sarcastic.

 

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1/27/2023 5:09am

I like romanos chances over both ryder and deegan. 

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