MNF - Damar Hamlin from the Bills

creature654 wrote:

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me...

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me that this was totally random

GrapeApe wrote:

I'm sure you know this because you seem pretty intelligent but he didn't have a heart attack.  He went into cardiac arrest, there's a difference.

 

creature654 wrote:

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me...

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me that this was totally random

GrapeApe wrote:

I'm sure you know this because you seem pretty intelligent but he didn't have a heart attack.  He went into cardiac arrest, there's a difference.

 

roostymcgee wrote:

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which...

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which, left untreated, leads to cardiac arrest. 

roostymcgee wrote:

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught...

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught his heart hard enough, and at the exact moment in the complex, to cause arrest are astronomical. 
 

He did receive a vaccine booster on December 26th. At what point can we start having real conversations about the injuries these vaccines are causing? What about the Panthers player who just died in his bathroom? 38 year-olds don’t just go into cardiac arrest. 
 

 

creature654 wrote:

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me...

There’s been quite an uprise in random heart attacks in otherwise, seemingly healthy people the past 2 years…no coincidence there though, the YouTube doctors told me that this was totally random

GrapeApe wrote:

I'm sure you know this because you seem pretty intelligent but he didn't have a heart attack.  He went into cardiac arrest, there's a difference.

 

roostymcgee wrote:

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which...

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which, left untreated, leads to cardiac arrest. 

vanillaice782 wrote:

I consulted a good friend, with a higher medical degree than me, who used to post here, but got banned (Georgie). He seemed to think the...

I consulted a good friend, with a higher medical degree than me, who used to post here, but got banned (Georgie). He seemed to think the theory of him getting hit hard enough in the chest to send his heart into a fatal rhythm is plausible.

Typically when we have ER patients that go into dysrhythmias like that, we already have defibrillator pads on them, and it takes two seconds to fire that thing up and shock them back into a regular rhythm. But in that case with him in the middle of a stadium, they lost seconds and minutes because they had to tear those pads off, they had to get a defibrillator out there, and all of that takes time away. So they could have missed their chance to actually get him right from v fib into a normal rhythm by defibrillating. It's wild stuff, just have to hope the guy recovers.

vanillaice782 wrote:

I consulted a good friend, with a higher medical degree than me, who used to post here, but got banned (Georgie). He seemed to think the...

I consulted a good friend, with a higher medical degree than me, who used to post here, but got banned (Georgie). He seemed to think the theory of him getting hit hard enough in the chest to send his heart into a fatal rhythm is plausible.

Typically when we have ER patients that go into dysrhythmias like that, we already have defibrillator pads on them, and it takes two seconds to fire that thing up and shock them back into a regular rhythm. But in that case with him in the middle of a stadium, they lost seconds and minutes because they had to tear those pads off, they had to get a defibrillator out there, and all of that takes time away. So they could have missed their chance to actually get him right from v fib into a normal rhythm by defibrillating. It's wild stuff, just have to hope the guy recovers.

Muttly wrote:

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roostymcgee wrote:

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught...

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught his heart hard enough, and at the exact moment in the complex, to cause arrest are astronomical. 
 

He did receive a vaccine booster on December 26th. At what point can we start having real conversations about the injuries these vaccines are causing? What about the Panthers player who just died in his bathroom? 38 year-olds don’t just go into cardiac arrest. 
 

 

bh84 wrote:

Not unprecedented, very similar thing happened to Chris Pronger in the 1998 NHL playoffs. Puck to the chest, through padding, just hit the right spot at...

Not unprecedented, very similar thing happened to Chris Pronger in the 1998 NHL playoffs. Puck to the chest, through padding, just hit the right spot at the wrong time. From what I've read its most common in baseball. 

I wonder if Pronger had the vax in 98 \

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/04/chris-pronger-damar-ha…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWo64mTA4rw

 

bh84 wrote:

Not unprecedented, very similar thing happened to Chris Pronger in the 1998 NHL playoffs. Puck to the chest, through padding, just hit the right spot at...

Not unprecedented, very similar thing happened to Chris Pronger in the 1998 NHL playoffs. Puck to the chest, through padding, just hit the right spot at the wrong time. From what I've read its most common in baseball. 

I wonder if Pronger had the vax in 98 \

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/04/chris-pronger-damar-ha…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWo64mTA4rw

 

George Costanza wrote:

Prayers for Hamlin, his family, and Higgins.... but on to the injury...  Are we not allowed to discuss whether this was the cause or the vaccine...

Prayers for Hamlin, his family, and Higgins....

but on to the injury...  Are we not allowed to discuss whether this was the cause or the vaccine was the cause?  Anytime someone brings up the vaccine they are attacked.  The fact is we dont know, and it should be open to discussion and a medical examination, which i'm sure will happen.

Also, you cant deny the rise in fatal heart attacks in young healthy althletes... sure its always happened, but it used to be much more rare

 

 

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Actually ML has prohibited covid and Vax discussion here 

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Actually ML has prohibited covid and Vax discussion here 

nytsmaC wrote:

Pretty sure the guidelines were set so that it can be discussed as long as it didn’t deteriorate into personal attacks and bickering.

tuggy450 wrote:

We had a high school lacrosse goalie hit with a ball in the chest some years back, like 25 years ago.  After that schools around here...

We had a high school lacrosse goalie hit with a ball in the chest some years back, like 25 years ago.  After that schools around here made defibrillators mandatory before games.  No one really knows if that was the story was with Mr Hamlin, but Commotio Cordis certainly fits within the differential diagnosis. Of course many things can cause, sudden Cardiac Arrest. including a Myocardial infarct or heart attack. conduction abnormalities, cardiomyopathies, etc.  At some point I hope he will be stable enough that further testing can be done.

Hopefully he can make a full recovery. He was placed in a hypothermic coma which evidence suggests may help preserve neurological function post cardiac arrest.

roostymcgee wrote:

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught...

There are about 10 cases of commotio cordis per year… all of them have pre-existing cardiac conditions. The odds that this run-of-the-mill hit through pads caught his heart hard enough, and at the exact moment in the complex, to cause arrest are astronomical. 
 

He did receive a vaccine booster on December 26th. At what point can we start having real conversations about the injuries these vaccines are causing? What about the Panthers player who just died in his bathroom? 38 year-olds don’t just go into cardiac arrest. 
 

 

OleTex wrote:

I wonder if some equipment from MX would help? I recall seeing some airbag technology advertised here. I think it was a chest protector. 

roostymcgee wrote:

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which...

Explain the difference. Cardiac arrest just means your heart stops beating.  A heart attack is a generic term for occluded blood flow to the heart which, left untreated, leads to cardiac arrest.