yz125 wont start no matter what

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12/5/2022 11:09am

Just tried her out and she’s running boys! I sincerely thank you all for your help! You guys are amazing!

mattyhamz2 wrote:
Glad to hear man! Sometimes it’s the smallest/dumbest things we overlook. Guarantee you’re nowhere near the first it happened to and will definitely not be the...

Glad to hear man! Sometimes it’s the smallest/dumbest things we overlook. Guarantee you’re nowhere near the first it happened to and will definitely not be the last. Now get some videos up of her running so we can enjoy the sound of that sweet YZ125

For sure will man! When I’m done restoring it I’ll show you guys the finished product!

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12/7/2022 7:06pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2022 7:06pm

Hey guys, back with another question for you. I can get my yz125 started now, but only if I pour fuel in the cylinder and when it starts, it idles extremely high (sound like it’s about to blow up lol) I have adjusted the air screw and the idle screw every which way with the same result...

I have also disassembled the carb and cleaned it like three times. It’s spotless in there. However, when I check the plug, It’s dry. Any suggestions? This thing is so close to being done, and I will not accept defeat!

thanks again,

Josh

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12/7/2022 9:50pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2022 10:48pm

Carb slide may be hanging up, cable could be too short or pulled apart at the adjusters but it sounds like a major air leak/ lean condition on why its running so fast. To check the carb slide pull off the subframe/airbox look in the rear of the carb and make sure its seating all the way to the bottom and do this turning the bars full lock left and right and watch to see if the slide is moving when the bars are turned, if its moving you have cable and or routing issues but you should be able to see that the slide is bottomed out. If you don't know how far down is bottomed out the disconnect the throttle cable and then let the slide go all the way down to get a reference. If that's not it then its time to check for airleaks.

Also make sure your stator plate is mounted where it needs to be because if your timing is advanced too far it can cause both a run away idle and very hard starting so check your timing.  

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12/8/2022 3:05am Edited Date/Time 12/8/2022 3:06am

Does the throttle have free play? If no, is the throttle cable routed correctly? From memory it should go below the tank bolt.

Does the rpm stay high when turning the bars to each side or does it go up or down? Could be the cable is too short. In the UK there is a brand that makes cables a tad too short (at least they used to for a YZ 250). Always used genuine after that.

Is there a split in the boot between the carb and reeds? Possibly caused by a short cable yanking the carb up when turning left.

Does it idle high with the choke off?

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12/8/2022 7:59am
lostboy819 wrote:
Carb slide may be hanging up, cable could be too short or pulled apart at the adjusters but it sounds like a major air leak/ lean...

Carb slide may be hanging up, cable could be too short or pulled apart at the adjusters but it sounds like a major air leak/ lean condition on why its running so fast. To check the carb slide pull off the subframe/airbox look in the rear of the carb and make sure its seating all the way to the bottom and do this turning the bars full lock left and right and watch to see if the slide is moving when the bars are turned, if its moving you have cable and or routing issues but you should be able to see that the slide is bottomed out. If you don't know how far down is bottomed out the disconnect the throttle cable and then let the slide go all the way down to get a reference. If that's not it then its time to check for airleaks.

Also make sure your stator plate is mounted where it needs to be because if your timing is advanced too far it can cause both a run away idle and very hard starting so check your timing.  

Yea I already adjusted the slide and it is as far down as it will go (about a half inch from the bottom) However, I pulled the reeds and I could see just a tiny crack of light. So I fixed that and now the bike starts first kick every time. The idle is still sky high tho. I inspected the intake boot and can’t find even a hint of a crack...

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Josh stroke
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12/8/2022 8:02am Edited Date/Time 12/8/2022 8:03am
Snapper wrote:
Does the throttle have free play? If no, is the throttle cable routed correctly? From memory it should go below the tank bolt. Does the rpm...

Does the throttle have free play? If no, is the throttle cable routed correctly? From memory it should go below the tank bolt.

Does the rpm stay high when turning the bars to each side or does it go up or down? Could be the cable is too short. In the UK there is a brand that makes cables a tad too short (at least they used to for a YZ 250). Always used genuine after that.

Is there a split in the boot between the carb and reeds? Possibly caused by a short cable yanking the carb up when turning left.

Does it idle high with the choke off?

Yea the throttle cable is routed correctly and the idle stay high with choke on or off and no matter how I adjust the idle screw or air screw. I will however see if the idle stays high when I turn the bars. I had a Ktm that did that once...

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Josh stroke
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12/8/2022 8:21am

So were

obviously getting too much air because when I partially cover the back of the carb (when the air box and subframe are off) with a piece of cardboard, the idle becomes more normal

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12/8/2022 8:27am

Tank sitting on throttle, pulling it dick strand tight?

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12/8/2022 8:28am
lostboy819 wrote:
Carb slide may be hanging up, cable could be too short or pulled apart at the adjusters but it sounds like a major air leak/ lean...

Carb slide may be hanging up, cable could be too short or pulled apart at the adjusters but it sounds like a major air leak/ lean condition on why its running so fast. To check the carb slide pull off the subframe/airbox look in the rear of the carb and make sure its seating all the way to the bottom and do this turning the bars full lock left and right and watch to see if the slide is moving when the bars are turned, if its moving you have cable and or routing issues but you should be able to see that the slide is bottomed out. If you don't know how far down is bottomed out the disconnect the throttle cable and then let the slide go all the way down to get a reference. If that's not it then its time to check for airleaks.

Also make sure your stator plate is mounted where it needs to be because if your timing is advanced too far it can cause both a run away idle and very hard starting so check your timing.  

Yea I already adjusted the slide and it is as far down as it will go (about a half inch from the bottom) However, I pulled...

Yea I already adjusted the slide and it is as far down as it will go (about a half inch from the bottom) However, I pulled the reeds and I could see just a tiny crack of light. So I fixed that and now the bike starts first kick every time. The idle is still sky high tho. I inspected the intake boot and can’t find even a hint of a crack...

Half an inch? Sounds high to me.

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12/8/2022 8:31am

Cdi box.   

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So were obviously getting too much air because when I partially cover the back of the carb (when the air box and subframe are off) with...

So were

obviously getting too much air because when I partially cover the back of the carb (when the air box and subframe are off) with a piece of cardboard, the idle becomes more normal

Spray contact cleaner around different connection areas between carb and cylinder, spray areas where the cases meet. If the idle changes you’ll know where the problem is.

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12/8/2022 8:43am

Take a picture of the back of the carb and show us how high the slide sits at “idle”. 

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12/8/2022 9:42am Edited Date/Time 12/8/2022 9:43am
DynoDan22 wrote:

Take a picture of the back of the carb and show us how high the slide sits at “idle”. 

My phone won’t allow me to upload a photo or a video on this platform for some reason...

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12/8/2022 10:12am

You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center case sealing.

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chuck356 wrote:
You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center...

You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center case sealing.

Quite possible. But that above mention of a half inch under the slide seems to be a red flag.

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chuck356 wrote:
You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center...

You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center case sealing.

ns503 wrote:

Quite possible. But that above mention of a half inch under the slide seems to be a red flag.

so how would I go about running a crankcase pressure test? and how can I know if the slider is too high if I cant adjust it anymore...should I just get a new cable? I ran a compression test on it and got 125 psi...does that relate to the crank case pressure test at all?

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12/8/2022 12:06pm
chuck356 wrote:
You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center...

You had this all the way apart, it needs a crankcase pressure test as it sounds like you have a leaking crank seal, gasket, or center case sealing.

ns503 wrote:

Quite possible. But that above mention of a half inch under the slide seems to be a red flag.

so how would I go about running a crankcase pressure test? and how can I know if the slider is too high if I cant adjust...

so how would I go about running a crankcase pressure test? and how can I know if the slider is too high if I cant adjust it anymore...should I just get a new cable? I ran a compression test on it and got 125 psi...does that relate to the crank case pressure test at all?

Disconnect the throttle cable and see how far the slide goes down without the cable attached to the slide. 1/2 inch sounds way too high. 

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12/8/2022 12:20pm

How did you fix the “crack” in the reeds?  Reeds cannot be fixed, they should be replaced. I know on some older model carbs you could put the slide in backwards, that not the case eh?  How far can you twist the throttle? If not much until it stops, that means your slide is not going all the way down. As someone else has mentioned I have seen where mounting the tank smashed/tightened the throttle cable. Getting too much air it sounds though if it’s not a throttle cable/slide issue. 

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ns503 wrote:

Quite possible. But that above mention of a half inch under the slide seems to be a red flag.

so how would I go about running a crankcase pressure test? and how can I know if the slider is too high if I cant adjust...

so how would I go about running a crankcase pressure test? and how can I know if the slider is too high if I cant adjust it anymore...should I just get a new cable? I ran a compression test on it and got 125 psi...does that relate to the crank case pressure test at all?

lostboy819 wrote:

Disconnect the throttle cable and see how far the slide goes down without the cable attached to the slide. 1/2 inch sounds way too high. 

Yea you’re right, I did that and the idle came down to a much lower level-almost a little too low. I’m playing around with it now but think I need a longer cable

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Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about an inch too short so ima just order a new cable. Thank you all! Hopefully that’s the last of my troubles on this thing lol

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Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about...

Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about an inch too short so ima just order a new cable. Thank you all! Hopefully that’s the last of my troubles on this thing lol

Are you sure it’s too short?  There is an adjustment on the throttle and often times on the top cap of the carb saw well. 

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Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about...

Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about an inch too short so ima just order a new cable. Thank you all! Hopefully that’s the last of my troubles on this thing lol

Make sure it's a genuine one as mentioned previously. 

12/9/2022 10:54am

Make sure the cable is adjusted properly before ordering a new one

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Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about...

Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about an inch too short so ima just order a new cable. Thank you all! Hopefully that’s the last of my troubles on this thing lol

brocster wrote:

Are you sure it’s too short?  There is an adjustment on the throttle and often times on the top cap of the carb saw well. 

Yea there are 2 places to adjust it which I already did to the max

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12/9/2022 6:48pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2022 7:03pm
Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about...

Ok guys the idle is now perfect! I think the guy who owned the bike before me put the wrong cable on it because it’s about an inch too short so ima just order a new cable. Thank you all! Hopefully that’s the last of my troubles on this thing lol

brocster wrote:

Are you sure it’s too short?  There is an adjustment on the throttle and often times on the top cap of the carb saw well. 

Yea there are 2 places to adjust it which I already did to the max

You want to adjust the cable adjusters to the minimum or shortest for the cable housing which makes the inner cable itself the longest. Maximum adjustment on the outer cable makes the inner cable "shorter" and can cause the slide to not go all the way to the bottom of the carb body.  

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Just want to give some credit to the woodruff key ideal. I had mine in, but somehow the rotor slipped when installing and the timing was off. Once I took it off you could see where the key was "pressed" into the side of the rotor rather than the slot. BINGO! Starts first kick now!

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pie_obk wrote:
This more than likely isn't the case, but I had the same issue with my 02 yz.  Ran perfect and then when I got to the...

This more than likely isn't the case, but I had the same issue with my 02 yz.  Ran perfect and then when I got to the pits it wouldn't run no matter what. Turns out the throttle cable slipped out of the perch a tiny bit and it was tugging on the throttle a bit.  That tiny little bit of throttle being applied was enough to prevent starting 

Make sure the slide is all the way down and knocking bottom and you have free play in the cable 

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Great to see ppl helping someone out, this is what forums are supposed to do Smile

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