Let's see/review those 2019 kx450s

501Ross
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11/26/2022 6:07am
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed by some motor troubles around the 100-150 hour mark. I am 6’3” and weighing 220 and the ergos seemed good. Anything else I’m missing besides reading 177 pages and some sweet pictures?
11/26/2022 6:35am
501Ross wrote:
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed...
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed by some motor troubles around the 100-150 hour mark. I am 6’3” and weighing 220 and the ergos seemed good. Anything else I’m missing besides reading 177 pages and some sweet pictures?
I'm the exact same size as you. I've had the opportunity to ride every current bike, and none of them are as comfortable to me as the current gen KX450, especially after you move the foot pegs to the lower holes. Yes, that is a steal. The only issues I'm aware of with the bike are chain sliders and rollers that need to be replaced with the TM Designs ones and the fact that you need to grease the steering head bearings regularly. The rest of the bike has been completely bulletproof for me, and I haven't heard of anyone having the issues you are referring to, but I personally wouldn't put over 100 hours on any bike without at least putting a new piston in it.
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Just sold the bike. Overall, it treated me well. Extremely predictable and fun to ride.

My problems with it:
1) I had to service a bit too often the forks
2) at 110 hrs I had to service the top/bottom ends
3) the steering head needs to be greased often. I had to change the bearings twice.

The chain roller is not an issue if you use Chinese units as they are much harder than the stock ones. The slider will not wear out if you use an extra tooth.
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11/26/2022 8:08am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2022 8:10am
Pushing over 100hrs on my 21 450x and still love the bike. Recently mounted my Baja lights and studs on and blasted a winter moto. Even recently rode a new `23 KTM 450xcf and wasn't overly impressed, and won't be selling my KX450 anytime soon for one...

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11/26/2022 9:36am
Monk wrote:
Pushing over 100hrs on my 21 450x and still love the bike. Recently mounted my Baja lights and studs on and blasted a winter moto. Even...
Pushing over 100hrs on my 21 450x and still love the bike. Recently mounted my Baja lights and studs on and blasted a winter moto. Even recently rode a new `23 KTM 450xcf and wasn't overly impressed, and won't be selling my KX450 anytime soon for one...

How do you set it up so it gets up to running temperatures?
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Monk wrote:
Pushing over 100hrs on my 21 450x and still love the bike. Recently mounted my Baja lights and studs on and blasted a winter moto. Even...
Pushing over 100hrs on my 21 450x and still love the bike. Recently mounted my Baja lights and studs on and blasted a winter moto. Even recently rode a new `23 KTM 450xcf and wasn't overly impressed, and won't be selling my KX450 anytime soon for one...

lumpy790 wrote:
How do you set it up so it gets up to running temperatures?
The bike? Other then turn idle up a bit, nothing.
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I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

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1/2/2023 8:03pm
Kyle978 wrote:
I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine...

I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

The rebate on the 2023 just went up by $500 to $1500 this month. 

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The rebate on the 2023 just went up by $500 to $1500 this month. 

TBH I have never bought a left-over bike with a rebate - is $1,500 about the maximum you'll see from Kawi? Does anyone remember what type of rebate they were giving in 2018 when the 2019's were coming out? Just want to make sure I don't buy a bike, then the next month they knock another $1,000 off. 

Thanks for any insight!

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The rebate on the 2023 just went up by $500 to $1500 this month. 

Kyle978 wrote:
TBH I have never bought a left-over bike with a rebate - is $1,500 about the maximum you'll see from Kawi? Does anyone remember what type...

TBH I have never bought a left-over bike with a rebate - is $1,500 about the maximum you'll see from Kawi? Does anyone remember what type of rebate they were giving in 2018 when the 2019's were coming out? Just want to make sure I don't buy a bike, then the next month they knock another $1,000 off. 

Thanks for any insight!

I think they still have $2k off 2022. 

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Kyle978 wrote:
I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine...

I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

I was just quoted 9600 out the door for a new 2023 KX 450.  At that price I might be buying my first green bike.

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Kyle978 wrote:
I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine...

I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

I was just quoted 9600 out the door for a new 2023 KX 450.  At that price I might be buying my first green bike.

If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200 + fees which are about $1k plus sales tax. You might hit up the dealer in Linton too. His brother is on here sometimes. 

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216229FF-16CF-4147-AD08-9339FF2A0ED7Tri county Honda in Wv has them super cheap. They don’t add on fees. It’s like $200 more than listed for documentation. 

 

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Delmarva power sports just quoted me 8200 otd for a 23

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Kyle978 wrote:
I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine...

I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

I was just quoted 9600 out the door for a new 2023 KX 450.  At that price I might be buying my first green bike.

wrc777 wrote:
If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200...

If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200 + fees which are about $1k plus sales tax. You might hit up the dealer in Linton too. His brother is on here sometimes. 

Thanks.  You just saved me $1,000 if I decide to buy a green bike.  I've never had one but very tempted now.  Appreciate the information.

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Bigfoot16 wrote:

I was just quoted 9600 out the door for a new 2023 KX 450.  At that price I might be buying my first green bike.

wrc777 wrote:
If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200...

If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200 + fees which are about $1k plus sales tax. You might hit up the dealer in Linton too. His brother is on here sometimes. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  You just saved me $1,000 if I decide to buy a green bike.  I've never had one but very tempted now.  Appreciate the information.

If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine. It has pretty good ergos too. 

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wrc777 wrote:
If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200...

If you are willing to drive to the north side of Indy you can probably knock $1k off that. Westfield powersports has one listed at $7200 + fees which are about $1k plus sales tax. You might hit up the dealer in Linton too. His brother is on here sometimes. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  You just saved me $1,000 if I decide to buy a green bike.  I've never had one but very tempted now.  Appreciate the information.

wrc777 wrote:
If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine...

If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine. It has pretty good ergos too. 

Thanks.  I'm just concerned about reliability and durability.  My YZ has been basically bulletproof.

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Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  You just saved me $1,000 if I decide to buy a green bike.  I've never had one but very tempted now.  Appreciate the information.

wrc777 wrote:
If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine...

If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine. It has pretty good ergos too. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  I'm just concerned about reliability and durability.  My YZ has been basically bulletproof.

Plastics and some metal components look worn faster than other bikes. Plastics are a cheap/easy fix. The bolts you have to be a little more careful with but they all seem to be going downhill. 

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1/6/2023 2:46pm
wrc777 wrote:
If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine...

If you want a 450 it is hard to pass up at that price and it handles well and has a good but not overpowering engine. It has pretty good ergos too. 

Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  I'm just concerned about reliability and durability.  My YZ has been basically bulletproof.

wrc777 wrote:
Plastics and some metal components look worn faster than other bikes. Plastics are a cheap/easy fix. The bolts you have to be a little more careful...

Plastics and some metal components look worn faster than other bikes. Plastics are a cheap/easy fix. The bolts you have to be a little more careful with but they all seem to be going downhill. 

Look through this whole thread.  With the exception of soft chain sliders, the KX450s have been bulletproof since at least 2019.  

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Can someone post some pics of how they reinforced the subframe, I've been shimming my exhaust away from the tire and it keeps rubbing the tire. I tried searching for pics.

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3/10/2023 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2023 7:12pm
Kyle978 wrote:
I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine...

I'm thinking of snagging another KX if there's good deals to be had out there, what have you gents been paying for 23's? I would imagine they're going to be rolling out heavy rebates in anticipation of an all-new '24, but I've also heard some people are stealing 23's right now.

I have this chassis dialed and want to stay on it while people figure out the '24. 

Just picked up a 23 450X model for around 9k out the door in Oklahoma. Dealer did say that they don't last long, most are sold before than hit the showroom floor!

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3/10/2023 7:01pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2023 7:14pm
501Ross wrote:
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed...
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed by some motor troubles around the 100-150 hour mark. I am 6’3” and weighing 220 and the ergos seemed good. Anything else I’m missing besides reading 177 pages and some sweet pictures?
I'm the exact same size as you. I've had the opportunity to ride every current bike, and none of them are as comfortable to me as...
I'm the exact same size as you. I've had the opportunity to ride every current bike, and none of them are as comfortable to me as the current gen KX450, especially after you move the foot pegs to the lower holes. Yes, that is a steal. The only issues I'm aware of with the bike are chain sliders and rollers that need to be replaced with the TM Designs ones and the fact that you need to grease the steering head bearings regularly. The rest of the bike has been completely bulletproof for me, and I haven't heard of anyone having the issues you are referring to, but I personally wouldn't put over 100 hours on any bike without at least putting a new piston in it.

What spring rates are you guys running? I'm 6'4, 225. 

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Bigfoot16 wrote:

Thanks.  I'm just concerned about reliability and durability.  My YZ has been basically bulletproof.

I wouldn’t worry about durability. They are solid. No major issues on my KX 450s in the past 10 years. I’ve had a few. 

3/11/2023 5:15am
501Ross wrote:
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed...
They blowing out the 22 450s for $7200 plus tax. Is that a steal these days? Seems like the #1 complaint is the soft suspension followed by some motor troubles around the 100-150 hour mark. I am 6’3” and weighing 220 and the ergos seemed good. Anything else I’m missing besides reading 177 pages and some sweet pictures?
I'm the exact same size as you. I've had the opportunity to ride every current bike, and none of them are as comfortable to me as...
I'm the exact same size as you. I've had the opportunity to ride every current bike, and none of them are as comfortable to me as the current gen KX450, especially after you move the foot pegs to the lower holes. Yes, that is a steal. The only issues I'm aware of with the bike are chain sliders and rollers that need to be replaced with the TM Designs ones and the fact that you need to grease the steering head bearings regularly. The rest of the bike has been completely bulletproof for me, and I haven't heard of anyone having the issues you are referring to, but I personally wouldn't put over 100 hours on any bike without at least putting a new piston in it.
redshark wrote:

What spring rates are you guys running? I'm 6'4, 225. 

We are almost the same size.  Speed wise, I at the front of the pack in the +30 and +40B motocross races.  I am running .52 kg/mm fork springs and a 6.0 kg/mm shock spring.  That shock spring might sound heavy, but as I’ve learned from testing with Factory Connection back in the day, really tall riders put a ton of load on the rear shock.  These were the rates recommended by both Race Tech and Factory Connection for me.  Last winter I revalved the forks myself with a Gold Valve kit and I’m very happy with the results.  It has more hold up in the front now and really balanced the bike.  I am very happy with the initial valving recommendations from RT.  After the spring change, the stock shock works great.  I change the oil every year, but I like the stock valving in the shock.

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redshark wrote:
Just picked up a 23 450X model for around 9k out the door in Oklahoma. Dealer did say that they don't last long, most are sold...

Just picked up a 23 450X model for around 9k out the door in Oklahoma. Dealer did say that they don't last long, most are sold before than hit the showroom floor!

Thanks for the heads up, congrats on the new ride! 

I actually scooped up a ‘23 yesterday. Rather than try to find the cheapest and ship it, I just went to the dealer 2 miles from my house to see if I could get a decent deal (they are basically a SxS dealer that happens to have dirt bikes). Ended up paying $9,300 OTD. A bit more than I was hoping but I’m good with it. 
 

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3/11/2023 6:14am
redshark wrote:
Just picked up a 23 450X model for around 9k out the door in Oklahoma. Dealer did say that they don't last long, most are sold...

Just picked up a 23 450X model for around 9k out the door in Oklahoma. Dealer did say that they don't last long, most are sold before than hit the showroom floor!

Kyle978 wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, congrats on the new ride!  I actually scooped up a ‘23 yesterday. Rather than try to find the cheapest and ship...

Thanks for the heads up, congrats on the new ride! 

I actually scooped up a ‘23 yesterday. Rather than try to find the cheapest and ship it, I just went to the dealer 2 miles from my house to see if I could get a decent deal (they are basically a SxS dealer that happens to have dirt bikes). Ended up paying $9,300 OTD. A bit more than I was hoping but I’m good with it. 
 

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Congrats! Fine looking fleet!

 

I see you are running the Xtrig PHDS. How do you like them? Did you notice a significant amount of comfort?

 

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I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have any advice?

3/11/2023 1:08pm
Sandusky26 wrote:
I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have...

I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have any advice?

Put in a stock one and take a bong hit

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Sandusky26 wrote:
I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have...

I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have any advice?

I like forged,  so mine got a vertex.   OE looked great when i took it out at 75 hours though. 

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Sandusky26 wrote:
I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have...

I want to put a new piston in mine and I'm having an internal debate on using OEM or a high compression piston. You hippies have any advice?

RGaede wrote:

I like forged,  so mine got a vertex.   OE looked great when i took it out at 75 hours though. 

I can get a CP piston the same price as OEM, I'd like to try the 13:5:1 compression ratio. I'm kinda worried about it detonating on pump gas.

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