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We've got RV, MA, James Stewart (he ain't retired...just riding for a stupid team).
I'm not talking about RC for the same reason you can't talk about Everts...they are all not competing at all. James is still competing actively in the AMA pros...just riding supercross. RC, Everts etc are not currently compteting AT ALL...they don't count.
Three of our Best five riders are injured...(MA, RV, JG), and a fourth is riding for a stupid team.
And nobody is whining...I'm just stating the obvious...we have our C team going...its the best we could put together this year (but certainly not our best riders, riding in the best class for them)...and I will cheer for them (and austrialia...which is also an AMA team).
Short has something wrong with him healthwise (though he did well at Unadilla)...I'm not sure he'd be the best choice.
Anyway...the team we're sending isn't even close to the one I would have liked to have seen go.
Any MX1/3 combination of RV, MA, JS, JG
And any MX2 rider out of RD, TC, JW would have been better than what we're sending.
Ideally RV, JS and RD...that is an A team right there...NO excuses if we get beat with that team.
RV, MA, and TC...is a likely B team...can't really mention any excuses if we get beat with them.
even a MA, JG, and JW team would be better than what we've got...I think.
Anyway...we still have a solid team...and we'll do well.
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Get a grip over Stewart. If you've heard his latest podcast you'll hear him say that he's currently retired from motocross. Roger can't choose a supercross rider over a motocross rider who has busted his ass all season to try and get on the team...that's the way Stewart pretty much put it.
As for your call on the fastest riders in the world...JS, RV, MA, RD ?????? the only person i'll agree with is Villopoto. Dungey is currently getting beaten a frenchman, Mike Alessi has never won a title in his Pro career and Stewart sits at home. Maybe you should try and choose riders that actually ride.
What we're trying to say in here titan is that your C team is actually your A team you just dont know it yet.
In all honesty titan, i think Villopoto would have killed everybody in that 450 class this year. As for Mike Alessi....i have to say i don't believe the hype...he won at hangtown and now he's being placed in the top 4 riders in the world ? When he actually wins something, then you can come back on here and call him 1 of the best in the world.
OK.... Dungey is not faster than Pourcel. They are very much on the same level but i think Pourcel edges it for me because of the way he rode this past weekend. Your probably going to come and say how Dungey killed Pourcel at Millville but lets not forget that Dungey has rode that track his whole life. Consistency wins titles...not speed, ask Austin Stroupe about this years supercross and he'll be able to explain that 1 for you.
James is not riding because he does not want to ride. I can't understand why you guys even want James to ride for you country. He is not even riding the outdoors, he is not entertaining us, he just sits at home with his butt on his money. I would not even want him to ride for my country.
Same goes for RC. He was a fantastic rider but he decided to retire from the sport. If he wants to retire, let him and let guys ride the mxdn that actually ride mx.
As for the injury's. Well.. i agree with Joe101UK. They got injured because they made mistakes, because they crashed. You can't say now that those other guys are not as good as they are. Those other guys still are riding and are, in the AMA standings, in front of those injured riders. In my eyes that makes them better riders... at this moment in time that is.
Stop looking for excuses Titan. Roger de Coster made sure that the USA will be sending the best team possible to the mx of nations. If you loose then the country that, in your words, produces the best riders in the world bites the dust. And it is not your C team, or your B team... it's your A team. At this moment you simply can't send a better team.
Besides.. why look for excuses ? You still have got a good chance of winning...
I never called IT the fastest 450 rider in the world...he was in the zone on that day and benefited from some misfortune of otheres. End of story.
Roger CAN (and should have) chosen a supercross rider. He's still the best motocross rider in the world.
MA hasn't won a pro title because he's been racing RV, JS, RC, CR his entire career.
Dungey is getting beat by a frenchmen in the points because of inconsistency on his part, not because of speed.
And so, as I clearly and irrefutably just illustrated, this really is our C team.
I want James to ride for my country because he's the best... I dont' give a damn that he isnt' racing the nationals...he's the reigning national champ, and he's the best, put him on the team. And shame on Roger if he didn't ask him to go. And if Roger asked and James (or his team) said no, then shame on them.
I don't want RC on the team, he's retired.
You're entire second paragraph is largest piece of turd ever...please tell me you didn't write that with a straight face???
Roger is sending the best team available...but it certainly isn't our best team (assuming everyone is healthy).
It's a C team...no two ways around that. Not even one way around that...it's our C team.
And if we win (or even podium), which I don't think is likely, it will be a huge frikkin' beotch slap to the rest of the world. (which I will certainly enjoy)...
Which brings me to my next point, which is about why you guys are insisting its an A team. If they win, and you guys acknowledge that they are a weak team, then you'll be acknowledging that the rest of the world is even weaker...and you all don't want to do that. I'm on to you.
Dungey is naturally talented on the 450 and I don't think it's going to be a big deal for him. Obviously it creates a conflict because he's still fighting for a 250 title, but in the end, he's going to be a top-5-or-10 rider.
Remember when Antonio Cairoli first hopped on a mostly stock YZ450F at the British GP two years back? Yeah, he swept both motos. And if you ask me, Dungey is almost on the same level as Cairoli.
Regardless of who we have for riders, we do have one weapon no one else has; Roger DeCoster. Sure, he's only going to have a short time with the riders, but he knows how to get the best out of his riders. The fact he's been working with Dungey for over two years will keep him calm and quick. No else can say they have such an asset.
Personally, I think this team will make this the best MXdN in several years because we aren't bringing the bonzai-fast big guns. It will make an interesting story line and certainly may make it that much sweeter if the US can beat the stacked Aussie team.
Asking Dungey to beat Reed is asking an awful lot of a young MXDN rookie who has had to jump up to a new bike and class. Fortunately he doesn't have to as good, consistent finishes will do the job. IT may not get the respect from some of you but he's been there and his experience is most valuable. Weimer should also be able to post decent results.
They all deserve props for going. It's a new and different form of pressure for the guys that have never ridden the event.
It was a shame RC wasn't capable of racing that day.
Stefan was so on his game that day,that I think him & RC would have had the battle of their life. James just sorta backed down from Stefan in that second moto for the most part to secure the win for the team.It did not seem Stefan liked that to much.
Yes you are correct, the Euros rode great that day and if it was Europe riders vs American riders,the euros would have been on the top of the box on that day.
I think this year we are probably gonna see the Reed show.
Chad is riding great and with that track having SX sections , Dungey & AC will have their work cut out for them.Starts will be critical as they always are in any race.
But at the end of the day I think the USA can get the job done if Jake & Ryan each have to solid motos with no mistakes and Ivan has one good moto.
My Top 5 predictions.
1 USA
2 Australia
3 Italy
4 France
5 Belgium
All three US riders are top quality riders and apart from Oz and Italy they should do fine. But remember the MXDN is full of surprise. One crash, bad settings or a bad start and the race is wide open. I think Dungey might have a bit of problem with the pressure of being #1, weimer will doubt himself against all the unknown riders and they both have to learn about racing abroad. Tedesco unless he picks himself up in the last rounds will do just OK.
My call:
Dungey will be upfront but Cairoli will have him covered but yet again AC might crash pushing too hard in front of the tifosi!
Weimer might crash trying too hard as well. Musquin who's full of confidence at the moment will win.
Tedesco nothing flashy but will be a solid rider.
Look at the weaknesses we have and see how they measure up to Belgium, Italy, Australia, and France.
my opinion, which means a lot, is that wer'e going to get our fuckin' asses handed to us at the 2009 MXoN.
...carry on ladies.
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Jesus! "C" team indeed! those boys deserve more respect than that!
You guys are not so much behind your team, as behind your couches!!!
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That's why i think that it is lame that some of you are allready looking for excuses. You still have one hell of a team. Stop looking for excuses even before the race has started. You guys always said that team USA would win the mx of nations with a B team. Here is your chance... Stop whining and root for the USA
And one of them was riding a 250F and beat every 450 rider in attendance...
The amount of BS in this thread is overwhelming, imagine AFTER the race.
I'm sure USA will shine as usual, no need to worry...
The ROTW won't call this team what it is...America's 3rd choice (or C team)...because then they will have to acknowledge that they got beat by America's 3 string line up.
Anyway...it's the same ol' stuff...the ROTW fans refusing to acknowledge that America is the premier motocross country in the world. And as a result is extremely fun to push their buttons.
But I'll be cheering like hell for Dungey, Weimer, and Tedesco...If they keep it off the ground, get good starts, and ride smart...with a few crashes, and/or bad starts from riders on a few other key countries, they could win the hole thing.
Its going to be great event as things will be a lot more equal this year.
IF YOU WIN, YOU ARE THE BEST! But that doesn't contradict the fact your are the largest mx-country in the world? Or how the hell do you explain your MXDN dominance otherwise? You have the best gene stock on the planet? WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE THAN TO WIN?
If you loose, and moan about you C-team, talk about insult to the winning team. Imagine if France beat your ass, and on top of that people started to bitch about Pourcels didn't attend.
Damn, some of you are hard to please.
And this is an America MX board...dominated by Americans...that is the likely reason you don't see other countries complaining about their MXdN teams on here.
And you can bet your ass, that if America wins there will be many ROTW fans (mccread being at the forefront) that will be busting out an entire list of injured riders from the ROTW, followed by a detailed list as to why the guys that did ride didn't ride to their potential (everything from "so and so crashed" to "but this guy got bad start" to "yeah, but "so and so" missed a shift on the second to last lap just before 7th breaking bump going into corner 9"). USA doesn't have a patent on "excuses", in fact, I won't even bat an eye when I say the "euro's" are better at it than we are.
I'm easy to please...just tell the ROTW fans to stop being stupid, and I'll be pleased as can be. That ain't to hard, is it?
Dungey - 2nd in points
Weimer - the next American rider behind Dungey
Tedesco - 3rd in points.....Short might of got asked but isn't he supposed to be sick at the moment...i'm not too sure.
You can't choose a better team right now.
Obviously, Villopoto and Alessi would have probably been on the team if they wernt injured but right now...you have your best riders going ( YOUR A TEAM ).
If Roger would have picked Tommy Hahn for MX1, Barcia or Tickle in MX2 and Brayton in MX3 then i'd be agreeing with you all about the B team, Cteam crap.
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