What would improve world Supercross?

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HD1200 10/11/2022 8:07am
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Magoofan wrote:
Sorry....don't care how they improve it. I'm not a fan of an event by a entity that is purposefully going after AMA MX/SX business.

Do you hate Toyota and Nissan to? how dare the Japanese try to take away from the American car market. Haha, just messing with you really but seriously though there's not much difference.
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petef930 10/11/2022 8:09am
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Loosing Ralph and Jeff.




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Moto_Geek 10/11/2022 8:26am
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Pump 2 stroke smoke with race gas/40:1 oil mixture into the venue before the gate drops. Add a loop-t-loop obstacle or inverted berm.

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Leave Us To 10/11/2022 8:49am
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prozach wrote:
Be more like ama supercross by having all the top sx talent at one event. That's about it other than you need more than two races...
Be more like ama supercross by having all the top sx talent at one event. That's about it other than you need more than two races to call it a series.
Some diehard fans forget that not everyone that goes to a SX eats, sleeps and lives motorcycle racing. To the casual fan, they don't have to see all the top talent at one event to have a great outing. I am hoping WSX turns out to be a plus by bringing SX racing to new countries and by providing rides and jobs for more people in the industry. IMO WSX definitely stubbed their toe politically the way they came out of the gate and now are in a bit of recovery mode. Time will tell.

Regarding two races and calling it a series, when you get your funding and hold a couple of races you can call it whatever you want to.

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OFalk280 10/11/2022 9:47am
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Most annoying aspect to me was Ralph/Jeff constantly reminding the viewer that this is a world championship, comparing the new world championship to the AMA series exaggerating the fact that the Feld series never left North America. Counting AMA SX results as WSX results is also strange. Let the series stand on its own! Don't try to steal records and results from a completely different series. The track design didn't look like anything more than the typical off-season races, but that might just be production things not giving a good look at the track.
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JGRIPPA15 10/11/2022 9:55am
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OFalk280 wrote:
Most annoying aspect to me was Ralph/Jeff constantly reminding the viewer that this is a world championship, comparing the new world championship to the AMA series...
Most annoying aspect to me was Ralph/Jeff constantly reminding the viewer that this is a world championship, comparing the new world championship to the AMA series exaggerating the fact that the Feld series never left North America. Counting AMA SX results as WSX results is also strange. Let the series stand on its own! Don't try to steal records and results from a completely different series. The track design didn't look like anything more than the typical off-season races, but that might just be production things not giving a good look at the track.
Nailed it!!!
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Thisusernameisavailable 10/11/2022 10:54am
10/11/2022 10:54am
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People don’t like change mate. It’s odd though- fans harp on about rider safety and when a promoter eliminates one aspect which could cause a safety...
People don’t like change mate.

It’s odd though- fans harp on about rider safety and when a promoter eliminates one aspect which could cause a safety concern, they complain about that too?!

A metal ramp provides consistent, near perfect traction, with no chance of rutting or cupping out.
I can’t think of any negatives to using it.
RaceFace58 wrote:
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still...
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still not getting why they had a metal ramp in a Supercross race but then again these are the revolutionary masterminds who are going to reinvent the sport. Imagine if it rains on a metal ramp that then gets mud dragged onto the surface. I’m still stuck on the fact that they hired a guy to come beat up on all the other guys they are trying to forge a working relationship with. They clearly looked at the assembled talent and even they realized that it wasn’t good enough. I wonder how many guys they tried to throw money at who had to turn it down.
Titan1 wrote:
How safe are metal ramps in the rain?

Do they get slippery when they are wet?
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’ of the grate for the knobblies to hook on to.

I’d bet my bollox that a wet metal grated ramp is grippier than a wet hardpacked clay jump face.
scott_nz 10/11/2022 11:07am
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luke11 wrote:
Just curious what’s peoples issue with the ramp? I don’t see how being made out of metal or dirt makes much of a difference? Surely having...
Just curious what’s peoples issue with the ramp? I don’t see how being made out of metal or dirt makes much of a difference?
Surely having that ramp just saves a tonne of dirt for elsewhere whilst also giving us better finish line whips etc?

What am I missing?
I think it’s one lined and since you can’t scrub or do anything to make time on it , It’s just a booter

Also not having a flag stand and having the flag man at the bottom of the face is a bit shit too
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wisey 10/11/2022 11:42am
10/11/2022 11:42am
Well shit if it’s World Supercross…

4 rounds in California, where all the international fans live.
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RandomUserName 10/11/2022 12:15pm
10/11/2022 12:15pm
there's lots to improve, but that's true of AMA SX, too.

Honestly, if they had a 12 race series, we'd all be following it like crazy and bench racing and cheering for our favorites. They just need to get some stability and get the concept moving. This 5 race (never mind) 2 race thing was a seriously bad start, though. Best clean that up asap. We'll see.
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Gravel 10/11/2022 12:19pm
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Stop adding the ONE WSX race to the AMA SX win records. It’s not the same series, stand proudly for starting something new!

Also, better dirt, longer start straight, better crowd sound, no vomit inducing fender cameras..
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MudPup545 10/11/2022 12:26pm
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Needs more cow bell.
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RaceFace58 10/11/2022 3:37pm
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RaceFace58 wrote:
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still...
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still not getting why they had a metal ramp in a Supercross race but then again these are the revolutionary masterminds who are going to reinvent the sport. Imagine if it rains on a metal ramp that then gets mud dragged onto the surface. I’m still stuck on the fact that they hired a guy to come beat up on all the other guys they are trying to forge a working relationship with. They clearly looked at the assembled talent and even they realized that it wasn’t good enough. I wonder how many guys they tried to throw money at who had to turn it down.
Titan1 wrote:
How safe are metal ramps in the rain?

Do they get slippery when they are wet?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’...
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’ of the grate for the knobblies to hook on to.

I’d bet my bollox that a wet metal grated ramp is grippier than a wet hardpacked clay jump face.
There is zero reason for a metal ramp. Even the most ardent WSX ass-kisser should draw the line on that. I wonder if they messed up the track design and this was a band aid fix. Or was the only reason for it being there was for the FMxers display? That’s a really horrible thought.
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DonM 10/11/2022 3:38pm
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There is one comparison of a new start up race/competition.....Straight Rhythm was so much better at it's first attempt...
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RaceFace58 wrote:
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still...
Hard to imagine someone thinks a metal ramp provides perfect traction. But if one metal ramp is better why not use 20 metal ramps? I’m still not getting why they had a metal ramp in a Supercross race but then again these are the revolutionary masterminds who are going to reinvent the sport. Imagine if it rains on a metal ramp that then gets mud dragged onto the surface. I’m still stuck on the fact that they hired a guy to come beat up on all the other guys they are trying to forge a working relationship with. They clearly looked at the assembled talent and even they realized that it wasn’t good enough. I wonder how many guys they tried to throw money at who had to turn it down.
Titan1 wrote:
How safe are metal ramps in the rain?

Do they get slippery when they are wet?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’...
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’ of the grate for the knobblies to hook on to.

I’d bet my bollox that a wet metal grated ramp is grippier than a wet hardpacked clay jump face.
You've never slipped on a wet metal grate before? I have...sure I don't have nobbies on my shoes...but I also don't have 50 hp, and pulling a G or 2 when I stepped on it. It gets slippery...If I'm riding, I'd much rather ride wet hardpacked clay, than a metal ramp...
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KurtJ99 10/11/2022 4:10pm
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Titan1 wrote:
How safe are metal ramps in the rain?

Do they get slippery when they are wet?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’...
The ramp is made up of ‘grate/grid’ like material, so very little surface area fir rain or wet mud to sit on, and leaving the ‘edge’ of the grate for the knobblies to hook on to.

I’d bet my bollox that a wet metal grated ramp is grippier than a wet hardpacked clay jump face.
Titan1 wrote:
You've never slipped on a wet metal grate before? I have...sure I don't have nobbies on my shoes...but I also don't have 50 hp, and pulling...
You've never slipped on a wet metal grate before? I have...sure I don't have nobbies on my shoes...but I also don't have 50 hp, and pulling a G or 2 when I stepped on it. It gets slippery...If I'm riding, I'd much rather ride wet hardpacked clay, than a metal ramp...
I've never been on a metal grate on a dirt bike, however I'll offer my expert opinion (!!)
The speed is gained exiting the corner and the throttle is chopped on the jump face / metal ramp while the rider scrubs the jump a little.

The only mistake I saw during the races (granted I only watched the youtube SX1 races) was Savatgy exiting the corner and crashing in front of the metal jump - which was awkward because he had to ride around it.
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RaceFace58 10/11/2022 4:32pm
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DonM wrote:
There is one comparison of a new start up race/competition.....Straight Rhythm was so much better at it's first attempt...
Great point. The more I think about all the problems the more I realize it was a lack of preparation on their part. Track design looked rushed, teams had different riders literally days before racing, they announced riders that were gone instead of the actual guy on the team, a metal ramp (still not getting that), 4 minutes between back to back races, mounting cameras on rider fenders sounded even rushed. Obviously no one had a meeting about what a fender goes through in a SX. 3 events have been paired down to 2 that’s a pretty telling one. I don’t recall Red Bull appearing amateur hour at all out of the gate.
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DonM 10/11/2022 4:41pm
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DonM wrote:
There is one comparison of a new start up race/competition.....Straight Rhythm was so much better at it's first attempt...
RaceFace58 wrote:
Great point. The more I think about all the problems the more I realize it was a lack of preparation on their part. Track design looked...
Great point. The more I think about all the problems the more I realize it was a lack of preparation on their part. Track design looked rushed, teams had different riders literally days before racing, they announced riders that were gone instead of the actual guy on the team, a metal ramp (still not getting that), 4 minutes between back to back races, mounting cameras on rider fenders sounded even rushed. Obviously no one had a meeting about what a fender goes through in a SX. 3 events have been paired down to 2 that’s a pretty telling one. I don’t recall Red Bull appearing amateur hour at all out of the gate.
And these guys supposedly have all the experience in actually promoting and running a race...While the guys at Red Bull did not....
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Graybeard 10/11/2022 5:24pm
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luke11 wrote:
Just curious what’s peoples issue with the ramp? I don’t see how being made out of metal or dirt makes much of a difference? Surely having...
Just curious what’s peoples issue with the ramp? I don’t see how being made out of metal or dirt makes much of a difference?
Surely having that ramp just saves a tonne of dirt for elsewhere whilst also giving us better finish line whips etc?

What am I missing?
Biggest issue is safety / raceability. Did you see Savatgy go down at the base of the ramp? He could not just get up and roll over it / continue on and race, and Brayton damn near killed himself trying to avoid him and still hit the jump. And how does one roll the jump if someone is down on the landing area--they cant go wheels on the ground.
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