The New Riding Style

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bvm111 9/30/2022 12:30pm
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cool story… bro
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dig the responses - "that's always been around!".. absolutely, no kidding sherlocks, every single concept has been around for a long time.. but, only now are people like Jett, Chase, and K-Roc actually using most of them all the way around the track ...

early on, I was calling it the "rear traction style"... (FYI, it still needs a good name)... because riders using it were getting a lot more mechanical grip both off the start, as well as when coming out of flat corners... a lot of the new style is about getting more grip than the guy next to you, even if both are on the same bike and tires...

watched a bunch of the euros at MXDN last weekend.... once again, none of them were using it as well as Jett or Chase...

saw someone laughed at not using brakes.. i hear ya, LOL.. but that is part of the new style... kinda like not using the clutch.. basically the opposite of how ET3 rides... i'm old as the hills... so i've tried implementing things like no rear brake and no clutch and standing all the time except at apex of tight corners... but... LOL... kinda hard after 50 yrs of doing it the other way... props to the guys that get it figured out.. and to the youngsters that are learning to ride that way right now... keeping the bike light and not unsettling it so the chassis can really do its job.. it's free time around a track, if you can adapt to it.....
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Johnny Ringo 9/30/2022 12:45pm
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SGoodman wrote:
dig the responses - "that's always been around!".. absolutely, no kidding sherlocks, every single concept has been around for a long time.. but, only now are...
dig the responses - "that's always been around!".. absolutely, no kidding sherlocks, every single concept has been around for a long time.. but, only now are people like Jett, Chase, and K-Roc actually using most of them all the way around the track ...

early on, I was calling it the "rear traction style"... (FYI, it still needs a good name)... because riders using it were getting a lot more mechanical grip both off the start, as well as when coming out of flat corners... a lot of the new style is about getting more grip than the guy next to you, even if both are on the same bike and tires...

watched a bunch of the euros at MXDN last weekend.... once again, none of them were using it as well as Jett or Chase...

saw someone laughed at not using brakes.. i hear ya, LOL.. but that is part of the new style... kinda like not using the clutch.. basically the opposite of how ET3 rides... i'm old as the hills... so i've tried implementing things like no rear brake and no clutch and standing all the time except at apex of tight corners... but... LOL... kinda hard after 50 yrs of doing it the other way... props to the guys that get it figured out.. and to the youngsters that are learning to ride that way right now... keeping the bike light and not unsettling it so the chassis can really do its job.. it's free time around a track, if you can adapt to it.....
Gets roasted for two pages, doubles down and calls everyone dumbasses. Love it.
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stremme12 wrote:
I'm surprised you can develop such an opinion of a riders riding style by just watching their SX races. You did boycott watching anything MX Sports...
I'm surprised you can develop such an opinion of a riders riding style by just watching their SX races. You did boycott watching anything MX Sports related this summer as you've stated many times so I'm assuming you weren't able to watch any of their riding style during the motocross series.
Don't feed into the OP. He's just another troll on his 5th vital account.
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Gravel 9/30/2022 12:53pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
“New” style [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/30/571415/s1200_9205F8E6_1BF7_4CF2_BB75_746ACBCDB4B1.jpg[/img]
“New” style
Kevin Windham, JMB, Marty Tripes, David Bailey, Bradshaw.. it’s a new name for an old concept, it definitely works and looks good and smooth too.. I left a lot of names off the list..
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Paging Gary Bailey
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Go to 1:50 to see what unlocking hips are.
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There’s riders that barely even use their brakes and just keep the throttle pinned and pull the clutch in. Different things work for different people.
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MotofactioN wrote:
There’s riders that barely even use their brakes and just keep the throttle pinned and pull the clutch in. Different things work for different people.
Was nt Stewart famous for barely using his brakes especially in SX . Everts barely used the front brake compared to alot of riders . The big thing that has changed imo, is letting the bike coast into the turns . It use to be you where on the gas or throttle no gap. Also there s alot more feet on the peg s in the turns . I actually think most rider s in the 80 s 90s stood up more than nowadays. There seems to be more standing in turns and sit down out of the turn . Use a bump to get u standing . If that bump is 100m away you sit all that time
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brimx153 9/30/2022 1:37pm
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Thank Everts.


Guys I ride with think I’m crazy for hardly ever using the rear brake.
I agree with thank Everts . But he barely used the front brake. Or any . Alot of time coasting with the throttle off .
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lumpy790 9/30/2022 1:38pm
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Soon after the 1st YZF Bailey said they do not need to be clutched like a 2 stroke needs to be clutched
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Johnny Ringo 9/30/2022 1:56pm
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MotofactioN wrote:
There’s riders that barely even use their brakes and just keep the throttle pinned and pull the clutch in. Different things work for different people.
brimx153 wrote:
Was nt Stewart famous for barely using his brakes especially in SX . Everts barely used the front brake compared to alot of riders . The...
Was nt Stewart famous for barely using his brakes especially in SX . Everts barely used the front brake compared to alot of riders . The big thing that has changed imo, is letting the bike coast into the turns . It use to be you where on the gas or throttle no gap. Also there s alot more feet on the peg s in the turns . I actually think most rider s in the 80 s 90s stood up more than nowadays. There seems to be more standing in turns and sit down out of the turn . Use a bump to get u standing . If that bump is 100m away you sit all that time
Based on the momentum Bubba used to carry on that 125 it would be impossible to use a lot of brake. His roll speed on that bike was insane
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Unpopular opinion... riding technique at the professional level is overly critiqued and many fluff conversations are made out of it. Many of the best riders in history didn't look exactly like Jett or Sexton on a dirtbike. Stew was flatfooted with toes pointing outward, Ricky would sit down a lot coming out of corners to get traction on the rear tire instead of standing up.

I don't understand how one could say that one elite rider just flat-out has better "technique" than another. Everybody refers to Sexton, Jett, Roczen, but never refer to Tomac. What exactly is it about Tomac's technique that isn't as good as those other three? He's the winningest US rider of this generation and one of the best all time, I think his technique is just fine.

I think the perfect technique that is being described by so many only has an advantage in that it's the easiest way to teach somebody how to ride a dirtbike properly. It's easier to show a beginner Sexton film and tell them to emulate his technique than to show that same beginner Tomac film, because Tomac's technique is more aggressive and varies more based on different parts of the track/conditions, whereas Sexton does pretty much the same things no matter where he is. It doesn't make it "better" than Eli's.
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Moto520 9/30/2022 2:33pm
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stremme12 wrote:
I'm surprised you can develop such an opinion of a riders riding style by just watching their SX races. You did boycott watching anything MX Sports...
I'm surprised you can develop such an opinion of a riders riding style by just watching their SX races. You did boycott watching anything MX Sports related this summer as you've stated many times so I'm assuming you weren't able to watch any of their riding style during the motocross series.
hahahahahahaha....you guys are cracking me up over here
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tomlopez wrote:
Unpopular opinion... riding technique at the professional level is overly critiqued and many fluff conversations are made out of it. Many of the best riders in...
Unpopular opinion... riding technique at the professional level is overly critiqued and many fluff conversations are made out of it. Many of the best riders in history didn't look exactly like Jett or Sexton on a dirtbike. Stew was flatfooted with toes pointing outward, Ricky would sit down a lot coming out of corners to get traction on the rear tire instead of standing up.

I don't understand how one could say that one elite rider just flat-out has better "technique" than another. Everybody refers to Sexton, Jett, Roczen, but never refer to Tomac. What exactly is it about Tomac's technique that isn't as good as those other three? He's the winningest US rider of this generation and one of the best all time, I think his technique is just fine.

I think the perfect technique that is being described by so many only has an advantage in that it's the easiest way to teach somebody how to ride a dirtbike properly. It's easier to show a beginner Sexton film and tell them to emulate his technique than to show that same beginner Tomac film, because Tomac's technique is more aggressive and varies more based on different parts of the track/conditions, whereas Sexton does pretty much the same things no matter where he is. It doesn't make it "better" than Eli's.
I think people are enamored by a smooth, efficient riding style. Jett and Chase are 2 that really stand out, with the way they carry their upper body. But, there have been smooth guys in all eras. Most of the standout names have been mentioned, in this thread. That being said, there are also going to be guys that manhandle the bike that are also successful. That doesn't mean it's bad technique. RV, RC and JS7 all kept it pinned. Currently; Ferrandis, Anderson, Eli. These guys can win with how they ride. I might not be wanting their technique taught to young kids, because it doesnt make sense if you can't push the bike to it's limits. But those guys are the small percentage of people who can make it work and push the motorcycle to the max. On the flip side, you can ride like Chase at any speed and be efficient and smooth. But there will always be some top pros that have an almost inhuman, aggressive approach and just keep it pinned and throw the bike around. If they can make it work, obviously it can be just as effective as the smooth, efficient approach.
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zehn 9/30/2022 5:32pm
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I get the feeling that the rear brake is much more important in SX
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Euro style, standing deep into the corners and keeping feet on the pegs. Very neutral stance without extra movements. Jett has it perfected
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tomlopez wrote:
Unpopular opinion... riding technique at the professional level is overly critiqued and many fluff conversations are made out of it. Many of the best riders in...
Unpopular opinion... riding technique at the professional level is overly critiqued and many fluff conversations are made out of it. Many of the best riders in history didn't look exactly like Jett or Sexton on a dirtbike. Stew was flatfooted with toes pointing outward, Ricky would sit down a lot coming out of corners to get traction on the rear tire instead of standing up.

I don't understand how one could say that one elite rider just flat-out has better "technique" than another. Everybody refers to Sexton, Jett, Roczen, but never refer to Tomac. What exactly is it about Tomac's technique that isn't as good as those other three? He's the winningest US rider of this generation and one of the best all time, I think his technique is just fine.

I think the perfect technique that is being described by so many only has an advantage in that it's the easiest way to teach somebody how to ride a dirtbike properly. It's easier to show a beginner Sexton film and tell them to emulate his technique than to show that same beginner Tomac film, because Tomac's technique is more aggressive and varies more based on different parts of the track/conditions, whereas Sexton does pretty much the same things no matter where he is. It doesn't make it "better" than Eli's.
AH387 wrote:
I think people are enamored by a smooth, efficient riding style. Jett and Chase are 2 that really stand out, with the way they carry their...
I think people are enamored by a smooth, efficient riding style. Jett and Chase are 2 that really stand out, with the way they carry their upper body. But, there have been smooth guys in all eras. Most of the standout names have been mentioned, in this thread. That being said, there are also going to be guys that manhandle the bike that are also successful. That doesn't mean it's bad technique. RV, RC and JS7 all kept it pinned. Currently; Ferrandis, Anderson, Eli. These guys can win with how they ride. I might not be wanting their technique taught to young kids, because it doesnt make sense if you can't push the bike to it's limits. But those guys are the small percentage of people who can make it work and push the motorcycle to the max. On the flip side, you can ride like Chase at any speed and be efficient and smooth. But there will always be some top pros that have an almost inhuman, aggressive approach and just keep it pinned and throw the bike around. If they can make it work, obviously it can be just as effective as the smooth, efficient approach.
100 percent. People like Tomac and James don’t make it look easy, while Jett and Sexton do. I will say, I’d rather have the body positioning or Chase or Jett if I swap, but otherwise, nothing wrong with the way any of them ride. Nothing wrong with sitting down, feet off, and holding her wide. Might burn a few more calories, but otherwise, plenty had made it work with non-picture perfect technique.
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Kaaden'sTheory 9/30/2022 6:07pm
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I’ll just leave this right here …
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I’ll just leave this right here … [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/30/571436/s1200_15B8A10D_17BD_4F46_85D2_000D5645E30A.jpg[/img]
I’ll just leave this right here …
Marty stated in an interview , that he got his technic from a guy named Joel when he was in Europe at 13 years old.
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As much as he gets piled on, this is effectively what Ryno has been trying to articulate the past 15 years or so - and he felt that Everts best exemplified it that he personally witnessed.

The beauty of moto is that there is so many ways to skin the cat, and that different body types, bikes and track conditions can each call for a fundamentally different technique.
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creature654 10/1/2022 4:18am
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Remember 2 years ago when ZachO won the 450 MX title while mostly sitting on the rear fender flat footed? (His own words)
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Jonny Crash 10/1/2022 4:33am
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Everyone sucks off Chase and Jett's 'smooth' riding style but they both seem to crash alot
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Thread is deep. I just thought they turned their right wrist more.
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davis224 10/1/2022 5:02am
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I distinctly remember in 2005, DC described in a column watching Reed rail around a berm, never taking his feet off the pegs. Then wondering if this was the next evolution in style.
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ShipLap 10/1/2022 5:46am
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This is the way you should ride.



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Jonny Crash wrote:
Everyone sucks off Chase and Jett's 'smooth' riding style but they both seem to crash alot
If you do not crash every now and then you are not trying hard enough - Gary Bailey
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lumpy790 10/1/2022 7:48am
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Start riding a trials bike and you will quickly learn how to keep your feet on the pegs more.
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DonM 10/1/2022 8:11am
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Jonny Crash wrote:
Everyone sucks off Chase and Jett's 'smooth' riding style but they both seem to crash alot
You left out...and also wins a lot....
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