The New Riding Style

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Edited Date/Time 10/4/2022 12:07pm
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big difference in lap times and energy expended...

What is the new riding style? it isn't just one thing, it's a combination of many different factors-

1. riding on the balls of the feet, with toes angled slightly inwards
2. knees directly above ankles and firmly clamping bike
3. elbows always up
4. as Ryno says, unlocked hips
5. standing position as much as possible
6. Head up
7. riding a gear taller
8. rarely or never using the rear brake
9. using the front brake sparingly
10. Rarely or never using the clutch
11. using more sweeping lines to carry speed
12. feet on pegs nearly always
13. you guys can list several more i'm sure...

where as the old style you would come into a corner hot, slam on the brakes, then pound the gas at the apex, the "new" style is all about not upsetting the chassis and doing things in a smoother, yet faster, way..

the whole point of the "new riding style" is to get more raw traction/grip than the next guy (in both corners and straight line), while using less energy, while being more consistent, while also having the ability to go faster through rough sections than the old style...

IMO, Jett and Chase have been the best at implementing the various aspects of the new style into their style, and thusly are crushing others that aren't using it...

Anywhos... the "new" style needs a real name.. and I have no idea who did it, or came up with it first, as it is a combination of attributes that have long been used in MX, but never all together like Chase and Jett are doing..

Discuss-
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Sandusky26 9/30/2022 8:27am
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Thank Everts.


Guys I ride with think I’m crazy for hardly ever using the rear brake.
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stremme12 9/30/2022 8:31am
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I'm surprised you can develop such an opinion of a riders riding style by just watching their SX races. You did boycott watching anything MX Sports related this summer as you've stated many times so I'm assuming you weren't able to watch any of their riding style during the motocross series.
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yz133rider 9/30/2022 8:34am
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Eli is better at it than at first glance too. He finds a way to carry momentum and keep his feet on the pegs, he just also does it while wide open, and modulating the clutch.

He doesn’t get enough credit for how smooth and in control he is.

Chase and Jett are incredible at it though for sure.
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RyanD797 9/30/2022 8:45am
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How are those techniques "new"? I've been trying to consistently do most of those since the early 90's (when on the bike). Go watch Bayle in '91.
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sumdood 9/30/2022 8:46am
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The old style sounds funner Grinning

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RCMXracing 9/30/2022 8:48am
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Not new style, just more common nowadays. Standing has always been the best way to control a dirtbike. More points of contact = more control. Name? Have to go with Everts.
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sumdood 9/30/2022 8:52am
9/30/2022 8:52am Edited Date/Time 9/30/2022 9:00am
Seems like the new style is also to keep your weight back further ? keeping the front end lighter and doing more rear wheel steering ? Not sure if I explained that right. Seems like guys are hanging off the back more.
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Shaft721 9/30/2022 8:59am
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I know Dylan didnt win any motos at MXON but he was gaining a ton of time braking very hard and very late. I know this new style of riding is the way, but maybe with some tweaks.
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downonmonday 9/30/2022 9:07am
9/30/2022 9:07am Edited Date/Time 9/30/2022 9:08am
What does Ryno mean by unlocking your hips? I never heard an explanation of that.
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Johnny Ringo 9/30/2022 9:13am
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Gary Bailey been teaching that for years
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You obviously never saw Marty Tripes ride
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downonmonday wrote:
What does Ryno mean by unlocking your hips? I never heard an explanation of that.
that is because it is nonsensical.

But the style is not "new." Everts rode like that Bayle before him, etc.

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JustMX 9/30/2022 9:52am
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I think the track designs have changed to force that kind of riding style.

They are much faster, and how many tight 180 turns are there anymore?

Even in sx there is almost always a lane in between that make the corner a 2 point turn, plus most are banked or have a berm.
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SGoodman wrote:
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big...
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big difference in lap times and energy expended...

What is the new riding style? it isn't just one thing, it's a combination of many different factors-

1. riding on the balls of the feet, with toes angled slightly inwards
2. knees directly above ankles and firmly clamping bike
3. elbows always up
4. as Ryno says, unlocked hips
5. standing position as much as possible
6. Head up
7. riding a gear taller
8. rarely or never using the rear brake
9. using the front brake sparingly
10. Rarely or never using the clutch
11. using more sweeping lines to carry speed
12. feet on pegs nearly always
13. you guys can list several more i'm sure...

where as the old style you would come into a corner hot, slam on the brakes, then pound the gas at the apex, the "new" style is all about not upsetting the chassis and doing things in a smoother, yet faster, way..

the whole point of the "new riding style" is to get more raw traction/grip than the next guy (in both corners and straight line), while using less energy, while being more consistent, while also having the ability to go faster through rough sections than the old style...

IMO, Jett and Chase have been the best at implementing the various aspects of the new style into their style, and thusly are crushing others that aren't using it...

Anywhos... the "new" style needs a real name.. and I have no idea who did it, or came up with it first, as it is a combination of attributes that have long been used in MX, but never all together like Chase and Jett are doing..

Discuss-
could be a swap question...he's always busy though.
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lumpy790 9/30/2022 10:23am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Gary Bailey been teaching that for years
Bailey taught us to hold the gas on longer and brake harder. OP description of not using the brakes makes me laugh.
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downonmonday wrote:
What does Ryno mean by unlocking your hips? I never heard an explanation of that.
Basically a flat back. Athletic position. Google a baseball prep step or watch a basketball player on defense.
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lostboy819 9/30/2022 11:04am
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SGoodman wrote:
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big...
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big difference in lap times and energy expended...

What is the new riding style? it isn't just one thing, it's a combination of many different factors-

1. riding on the balls of the feet, with toes angled slightly inwards
2. knees directly above ankles and firmly clamping bike
3. elbows always up
4. as Ryno says, unlocked hips
5. standing position as much as possible
6. Head up
7. riding a gear taller
8. rarely or never using the rear brake
9. using the front brake sparingly
10. Rarely or never using the clutch
11. using more sweeping lines to carry speed
12. feet on pegs nearly always
13. you guys can list several more i'm sure...

where as the old style you would come into a corner hot, slam on the brakes, then pound the gas at the apex, the "new" style is all about not upsetting the chassis and doing things in a smoother, yet faster, way..

the whole point of the "new riding style" is to get more raw traction/grip than the next guy (in both corners and straight line), while using less energy, while being more consistent, while also having the ability to go faster through rough sections than the old style...

IMO, Jett and Chase have been the best at implementing the various aspects of the new style into their style, and thusly are crushing others that aren't using it...

Anywhos... the "new" style needs a real name.. and I have no idea who did it, or came up with it first, as it is a combination of attributes that have long been used in MX, but never all together like Chase and Jett are doing..

Discuss-
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SGoodman wrote:
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big...
It seems the "new riding style" is taking over... and while the new style doesn't look a lot different than normal, it sure makes a big difference in lap times and energy expended...

What is the new riding style? it isn't just one thing, it's a combination of many different factors-

1. riding on the balls of the feet, with toes angled slightly inwards
2. knees directly above ankles and firmly clamping bike
3. elbows always up
4. as Ryno says, unlocked hips
5. standing position as much as possible
6. Head up
7. riding a gear taller
8. rarely or never using the rear brake
9. using the front brake sparingly
10. Rarely or never using the clutch
11. using more sweeping lines to carry speed
12. feet on pegs nearly always
13. you guys can list several more i'm sure...

where as the old style you would come into a corner hot, slam on the brakes, then pound the gas at the apex, the "new" style is all about not upsetting the chassis and doing things in a smoother, yet faster, way..

the whole point of the "new riding style" is to get more raw traction/grip than the next guy (in both corners and straight line), while using less energy, while being more consistent, while also having the ability to go faster through rough sections than the old style...

IMO, Jett and Chase have been the best at implementing the various aspects of the new style into their style, and thusly are crushing others that aren't using it...

Anywhos... the "new" style needs a real name.. and I have no idea who did it, or came up with it first, as it is a combination of attributes that have long been used in MX, but never all together like Chase and Jett are doing..

Discuss-
David Bailey, the Godfather of the "new riding style" 40 years ago.
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SCR 9/30/2022 11:16am
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This new style doesn't sound any different then the basic ABCs of racing when we still had drum brakes and air cooled motors.
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AH387 9/30/2022 11:17am
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Lol. No offense to OP but this whole concept of "new riding style" probably sounds like breakthrough material but it isn't. It's more of a trendy thing to say or a hot take to sound intelligent on the subject. Your whole notion about how to corner has been changing since 4strokes became the norm. Most people have been cornering more with momentum rather than the old point and shoot, for a long time. I took a riding school with a local pro in 2014 and we learned most of this. It's common knowledge. A lot of this stuff was what Euros did in the 90s. Certain techniques will vary for different people. If Eli was 20 yrs old and still rode how he rides now, he would still wax everyone. He wouldn't need to look like Jett or Chase to win a race or a title. Some guys are smooth, some guys are aggressive etc. I just think the constant pushing of this is silly.
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downonmonday wrote:
What does Ryno mean by unlocking your hips? I never heard an explanation of that.
Butt out and up, back flat, versus when your back is rounded and your butt is more tucked in. This position activates your biggest muscle, your glutes, it allows for more movement in all directions, and it also spreads your body out more across the front and back of the bike, so you are pushing the bike where you want it, not vice versa. It's not a new idea, nor Ryno's.

The whole standing up everywhere all the time, or feet on the pegs all the time, is too simplistic. Just watch Chase or Eli, sure, they probably stand more than RC or James did, but they are still sitting, inside foot out, by the exit of most 180s.

What has really changed is how long riders are standing up into the turn to carry momentum. They sit down later and later.
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Call it the european style and be done with it. Everts rode like that his whole life, most of the european riders ride like it and now when a couple of US riders have adopted the style, it’s the ”new” style?
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Sandusky26 9/30/2022 11:42am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Gary Bailey been teaching that for years
lumpy790 wrote:
Bailey taught us to hold the gas on longer and brake harder. OP description of not using the brakes makes me laugh.
Study Chase Sexton’s right foot during a 2nd moto.
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downonmonday wrote:
What does Ryno mean by unlocking your hips? I never heard an explanation of that.
I don’t think even Ryno knows…
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PNWMXer 9/30/2022 11:51am
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Secrets to going faster:
-hold gas on more, brake less, be smooth…who knew?Laughing

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I’m a “Wham, Bam, Thank You Ma’am” kind of guy.

I also ride the same way.
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lumpy790 9/30/2022 11:55am
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IMO they sit on their butts a lot more now.
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Johnny Ringo 9/30/2022 12:04pm
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“New” style
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bonseff 9/30/2022 12:07pm
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This is basically how to ride a sand track.
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