Roczen is a free agent

9/16/2022 5:51am
Honda is over Ken Roczen and his odd performance excuses. Honda used the 2 WSX races as an excuse to pull the initial offer, which they were most likely hesitant on anyway, or Ken is lying about the whole thing for some reason and HE rejected the offer. Literally that is baffling if the later is true. If Ken rejected the offer and lied to JS7 … why would he do that?? He truly is a head case.

The whole, “I’m doing it for the fans?” That is BS.

Honda has Sexton and 2 Lawrence bros. I think they are good.

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I don't buy the whole "I want to race overseas for the fans" It sounds like he signed a contract to ride WSX and straight rhythm without getting a full commitment from Honda. Factory Honda isn't the only team who doesn't want their riders doing off season racing. I honestly think his offer from Honda wasn't that great and he's using this whole WSX thing as an excuse to not blame himself.

Why would he think its a good idea to basically boast about he's a free agent and let the offers roll in, while half the podcast he was talking about his sickness and how he constantly gets sick and can't stay healthy. Its like he expects to sign with a Factory team while basically being an injured rider.

I used to say on here that Kenny is a marketing treasure for the teams he rides for but he's destroying his marketing creditability by these interviews and odd instagram posts.

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barrs211 wrote:
There’s no way he’s getting under the same tent as Webb. How awkward that would be!
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Yeah, a stretch... But Webb might only do SX and Ken might only do Outdoors... Odd, but I could see that happening.
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Webb counted his money and will retire after he sustains a minor injury in 2023. His heart is at the bank, not the track...that much is...
Webb counted his money and will retire after he sustains a minor injury in 2023. His heart is at the bank, not the track...that much is obvious .
I may not be the biggest Webb fan, but if he does retire soon I can honestly say that he was one of the top riders of his era when it came to leaving everything he had on the track……
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It's pretty obvious what happened here...Kenny signed to race WSX for a lot of money assuming that Honda would support it....Then Honda and all the other manufacturers sided with Feld/MXSports so when they offered Kenny a contract there was language in it that he specifically was not allowed to race WSX...there is probably a penalty clause in his WSX contract if he pulled out...and the money in the WSX contract (rumored to be $250k per race) was close to the Honda SX only contract....so his decision was to take the WSX money (for two races) and gamble on a ride for SX/MX 2023 or take the Honda SX only contract and back out of the WSX contract pay back anything he was paid plus whatever penalty there was for pulling out....probably a smart move to not take the Honda deal and gamble on yourself to find a another ride that will more than make up for what he lost out on in the Honda contract....time will tell.
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It's pretty obvious what happened here...Kenny signed to race WSX for a lot of money assuming that Honda would support it....Then Honda and all the other...
It's pretty obvious what happened here...Kenny signed to race WSX for a lot of money assuming that Honda would support it....Then Honda and all the other manufacturers sided with Feld/MXSports so when they offered Kenny a contract there was language in it that he specifically was not allowed to race WSX...there is probably a penalty clause in his WSX contract if he pulled out...and the money in the WSX contract (rumored to be $250k per race) was close to the Honda SX only contract....so his decision was to take the WSX money (for two races) and gamble on a ride for SX/MX 2023 or take the Honda SX only contract and back out of the WSX contract pay back anything he was paid plus whatever penalty there was for pulling out....probably a smart move to not take the Honda deal and gamble on yourself to find a another ride that will more than make up for what he lost out on in the Honda contract....time will tell.
Spot on. It was a business decision and probably a smart one.

I doubt he will sign anything before WSX is over and then I wouldn't be shocked if he resigns with Honda if healthy.
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Listening to Ken's side, it does appear he has been screwed over by Honda.

The WSX races don't interfere with anything for 2022.
BUT...it sounds like Kenny committed to those WSX races, and more without getting approval from Honda, almost like he thought they'd be automatically onboard because of who he is. I guess KR is getting a chance to eat some humble pie after such a lackluster season, and basically badmouthing the bike when he didn't perform up to par...which was often.

I'm a Roczen fan, but I think both parties got what they needed...ugly or not. I just hope he finds a championship caliber ride.
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Here how this is going to play out. Kenny will race wsx. Anybody that watches it will hear lengthy recounts of his crash (probably will not...
Here how this is going to play out.

Kenny will race wsx.

Anybody that watches it will hear lengthy recounts of his crash (probably will not see footage of it).

There will be 10 minute long replays from KRs mind with tears and pauses. We will hear how he grew up a poor child in germany and rose to the top of the mx world only be treated poorly by american fans that never really accepted him or appreciated him because he was a foreigner. There might even be a "slept in the car and survived on pb&j sandwhiches' angle.

He may very will become wsx champion.

The wsx will try to pretend like they have a winner that is a true "world " champion.

he will be in title. But he will know deep down, when he drifts off the sleep at night, and first thing when he wakes up in the morning that he could never take it all the way home in the true title chase for the big one.

maybe he will get a gp ride too and do well there in a field that is nothing like it was in 2021.

The truth is, why would any team take a chance on him, especially after this fiasco?

good luck kenny.
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Why would a team take a chance on any rider that have finnished behind him in the standings the last seasons?. Barcia, AC, Plessinger, Deano. Just...
Why would a team take a chance on any rider that have finnished behind him in the standings the last seasons?.

Barcia, AC, Plessinger, Deano. Just to name a couple of riders on factory bikes that have done way worse results at the end of the season when the points are said and done.

Sure Ken once were the golden child, but we still have plenty of factory bikes being ridden by riders that NEVER will manage to do the things Ken do in one season.
Teams choose riders based on more than just results, they want someone who makes the product look good. Plessinger charges hard, looks like he’s having fun and brings the whole “rednecks with paychecks” vibe to the races, he has a niche that’s pretty big in most of the country. KR had a great public personality that’s eroding away, he doesn’t seem to work at being fun or happy with his job and his job is a dream job to most of us. His career is legendary, his accomplishments are amazing, his recovery’s are something to be admired. He’d be seen very differently if he’d just relax a little and enjoy the position he’s reached.


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ML512 wrote:
Just got an interesting message from a solid source. Honda didn't rescind the offer, Ken just turned it down.
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ML, didn’t I hear maybe from (Mathes) Honda said if Roczen raced WSX he wouldn’t be riding for Honda next year? If that’s the case that...
ML, didn’t I hear maybe from (Mathes) Honda said if Roczen raced WSX he wouldn’t be riding for Honda next year? If that’s the case that definitely sounds like an ultimatum.
Yea this feels like a he said she said and both parties trying to save face. Honda says you can’t race wsx if you take the deal. Ken says he is racing wsx. So Honda can say Ken walked from the deal and Ken can say Honda pulled the offer.
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Just got an interesting message from a solid source. Honda didn't rescind the offer, Ken just turned it down.
If this is true, I speculate that Honda’s contract had a provision that required the contract to be signed by a certain date or it was null and void. KR did not sign by that date so he interprets that as Honda rescinded.

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the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
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After all that’s said it’s still cool to think about what could have been. When he came out with Honda all this years ago he had...
After all that’s said it’s still cool to think about what could have been. When he came out with Honda all this years ago he had everyone covered! Everyone! And then the crash.

Regardless of where this goes, and for what it’s worth coming from me, he has my respect.

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Just to put it in perspective- he had everyone covered, for just approximately 40 minutes of racing (two main events) After that he was chasing Dungey...
Just to put it in perspective- he had everyone covered, for just approximately 40 minutes of racing (two main events)
After that he was chasing Dungey and crashed.

His 2021 SX season was more impressive IMO.
Thank you. Not taking away from Kenny's raw speed and talent, but so many people act like he had that 2017 SX title already wrapped up until the big crash. In that race, he was sitting behind Seely for multiple laps as Dungey held a comfortable lead and Roczen probably got too anxious and was pushing it too much. He also seemed to have the field covered for the first 6 rounds of '21, but we know what happened after that.
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SGoodman wrote:
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the...
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
What's in it for them? At this point WSX seems like a poorly run series that hasn't been able to make good on most of their initial promises. These factories have a ton of cash tied up in their riders. Someone like KR, probably 5mm+ a year with equipment, mechanics, testing etc etc. Why risk that on what is a now a 2 round "series" that will likely get minimal media coverage if any? You have no confidence in the series, thus no confidence for them to handle injuries and things like that. So what's the upside?
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motonation24 9/16/2022 7:49am
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Bubba- big media guy.
Why didn’t Ken sign the offer before it was retracted? Did it really state No off season races and that’s why he was holding out?
I’m not buying it.
Honda can add in contract no support offered for off season races, any injuries occurred from said races will incur salary sacrifice= problem solved.
This was an easy out for Honda to get him off the team. They have their stars and Kenny showed this year he’s out of the championship hunt. I hope he proves them wrong!
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And boom! Honda drops a strong response…
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SGoodman wrote:
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the...
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
You may call it snubbing their noses but WSX brass did show up at a Feld event as guests and they tried to recruit riders and teams to race their series under Feld's noses...but little did they know that Feld, MXSports and the manufacturers were already set to work together in 23 and beyond....timing is everything...good and bad
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SGoodman wrote:
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the...
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
Hrc. Gave him plenty of time off.
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SGoodman wrote:
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the...
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
Your answer is in the Honda PR....

"It's true the offer included a stipulation that Ken not compete in a series that has positioned itself as a direct competitor to our super cross and motocross racing partners"

Only if they would have just decided to be a fall off season series....
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SGoodman wrote:
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the...
the bigger news here is- why are certain manufacturers dead set against the WSX series (kenny was willing to PAY for the honda gear and the answer was still NO?)? all a manufacturer wants is the maximum amount of eyeballs on their product... since when do those eyeballs have to come from a Feld/MXSports event?

This isn't about Kenny... this is about Honda and other companies like KTM snubbing their nose at WSX... where is their incentive to be exclusive to Feld/MXSports??? have deals been made? have checks been cut to be exclusive to a specific promotor?

Everybody knows ET3 got in for some of that Phat WSX cash... but Webb is pissed because KTM told him "NO!".... KRoc is pissed because Honda told him "NO!".... But ET3 will probably make over a half million in "just show up" cash that most of the other top riders will not get because of who they ride for....

Lastly... about Kenny... after watching the podcast... I wish Kenny would take a year off.. kinda pull a Dungey, but not as long.... LOL... Kenny's body and mind both need healing.. dude has been sending it every weekend since he was 4... now he has tons of weird issues thanks to injuries and a brutal schedule... I wish he would take a year off and just heal... no riding.. no training... just getting his body and mind back to normal... he has been band-aiding his health issues for years... he needs to actual fix them with a long time off... oh and.. IMO some Jocko Willink would do his mind a world of good... K-Roc was spewing wayyyy too many excuses in that podcast...
American Honda does not care about selling bikes in the UK, nor Paris, nor Australia. They have tens of millions invested in a North American platform that delivers eyeballs and sales, and that works. And that supports North American sales efforts.

This new series is already on thin ice, totally unproven and unknown and only two races. Plus history has shown it is a tall task to make this work. Feld tried (and failed) for 10 years or so. If feld can’t make it work, how was some rando promoters from across the globe backed with Arab money going to make it work in foreign countries? The whole thing gives me flashbacks to Competition Park!

The OEM’s are standing by the USA partners that take the risk in renting a out stadiums and putting together promotional packages and selling tickets and generally that do a good job providing a good race environment that helps showcase the brands and products that OEM’s sell.

Same for Kawasaki USA, Yamaha USA. Ktm is a little more continental in their approach, but not at the risk of diluting their existing investments…
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this new series won't last more than 2 seasons i think
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I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races that can get them hurt? There's really no upside and a ton of potential downside. Look what happened to Peick.
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Honda's PR team > KR94's PR team

They just put on a PR clinic with that release. GG Kenny, that's a wrap.
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I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races...
I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races that can get them hurt? There's really no upside and a ton of potential downside. Look what happened to Peick.
Mxon?
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What happened to when you could just have a local dealer or importer supply a stock bike & Team Roczen just shows up with Suspension, pipe & ECU? It’s only 2 rounds…
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What happened to when you could just have a local dealer or importer supply a stock bike & Team Roczen just shows up with Suspension, pipe...
What happened to when you could just have a local dealer or importer supply a stock bike & Team Roczen just shows up with Suspension, pipe & ECU? It’s only 2 rounds…
This isn’t your normal run of the mill off season race like Bercy or Aus-X Open. WSX is trying to pull a Liv Golf Tour move in trying to attract the top racers from the American series. The USA OEM’s are standing by Feld and MXSports. It’s Ken’s fault for committing to a series before getting approval from American HRC. It’s one of those “ask for forgiveness rather than permission” scenarios where Ken thought he could get away with it.
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I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races...
I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races that can get them hurt? There's really no upside and a ton of potential downside. Look what happened to Peick.
mxb2 wrote:
Mxon?
Yep that one is a little different.
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Oprah WindFury 9/16/2022 8:54am
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So is it Astephen telling Kenny what he should do? Or Kenny telling Astephen what he wants to do? Hmmmmm or both?
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I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races...
I think its also risk of injury. These OEMs pour so much $ into their riders. Why should they let these riders do one off races that can get them hurt? There's really no upside and a ton of potential downside. Look what happened to Peick.
mxb2 wrote:
Mxon?
luckyguy19 wrote:
Yep that one is a little different.
The other ones pay. , Mxon. Doesnt. Mec, bercy. Etc. Pay
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luckyguy19 9/16/2022 9:03am
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mxb2 wrote:
Mxon?
luckyguy19 wrote:
Yep that one is a little different.
mxb2 wrote:
The other ones pay. , Mxon. Doesnt. Mec, bercy. Etc. Pay
I looking at it from the OEM perspective. Those races don't pay the OEMs for bikes and support.
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umagumadog wrote:
I guess American Honda doesn’t give a shit about fans outside the US.
Why would they? It is AMERICAN Honda after all.
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