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9/2/2022 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 1:28pm
JM485 wrote:
To be fair, this place has gotten a little bit absurd with the far right talking points. I’m generally pretty conservative by nature, more of a...
To be fair, this place has gotten a little bit absurd with the far right talking points. I’m generally pretty conservative by nature, more of a libertarian in reality, and even I shake my head at some of the garbage that’s posted pretty routinely. The problem is you never really know all of the facts about any given issue, and you really can’t trust regular media to give you a balanced assessment of what is going on, so you end up with a bunch of emotionally driven arguments from both sides based on whatever narrative they’ve decided to attach themselves to.

For the most part my rule of thumb for any political discussions is if it doesn’t deal with economics I leave it alone. Pretty much anything else is going to be emotionally driven and I have no desire to waste my time engaging in a futile effort to change someone else’s emotions.
Exactly. My politics are based solely on the economic outcome of the policies of ones holding the pen. Be it, Local, state, or federal. Crazy thing...
Exactly.
My politics are based solely on the economic outcome of the policies of ones holding the pen.
Be it,
Local, state, or federal.

Crazy thing is, a lot of the policies of this current administration have direct consequences concerning our economic freedoms, and spending power.
I agree with you and I'm plenty nervous about the future. People forget, though, that one administration leads into the next. The Trump administration shut down the economy and then proudly printed Donald Trump's name on the stimulus checks and PPP loans. Trump cut corporate tax rates and a ton of that stimulus money went straight into stock buybacks, which went straight into executive bonuses.

So then it gets handed off to a new administration, still dealing with the pandemic and now record inflation largely influenced by those stimulus checks and stock market. I don't know the answers to any of these problems but none were caused by a single president.
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nytsmaC wrote:
So what you’re saying is you want to live in an echo chamber of your own. Got it. I assume we disagree on some social issues...
So what you’re saying is you want to live in an echo chamber of your own. Got it.

I assume we disagree on some social issues, but not all. Fiscally we’re probably more opposed. Echo chambers suck, I’ve found myself drawn into some and pretty quickly exited them. This isn’t one, opposing views are welcomed and encouraged. It just seems like you liberals can’t disagree on anything without taking it personal and getting butt hurt about it.
I'm saying that yeah, for the most part I do. So I make some effort to look outside it. I like going to cnn.com and foxnews.com and seeing how they take the same story and spin a headline and choose a photo to best suit their side of an issue.
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Oh goodie gumdrops another political thread ! Yaay...............!!!!!!!!!!


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jonathonmx wrote:
If a parent at a school board meeting was hunted down as a terrorist by the FBI then it was because they were acting like a...
If a parent at a school board meeting was hunted down as a terrorist by the FBI then it was because they were acting like a terrorist. You get in trouble for threatening to blow up or shoot up a school, not raise your voice. This tweet is just a littttle hyperbolic, and is the most liked thing on here so far. Kinda living up to expectations.
Hey Jon you're talking to a a guy who voted for Obama and Trump.
The FBI did harass parents who tried to get involved at school board meetings.
The fact that you're digging in on they must of been "terrorists" shows that you sir are the one living in an echo chamber.
I feel sorry for people like you (hardcore lefties) and also the hardcore righties who can no longer accept or process information that doesn't fit neatly with your political outlook.
Grow up dude.
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9/2/2022 1:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 1:36pm
scott_nz wrote:
Serious question Would you honestly not go to the races because people there that would vote for trump ? To me , that seems pretty low...
Serious question

Would you honestly not go to the races because people there that would vote for trump ?

To me , that seems pretty low . I mean if you enjoy the same thing why does it matter who you vote for ?
I wouldn't skip going somewhere to avoid people who would vote for Trump. I would avoid going somewhere where the majority of people speak or act in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable. Folks can read that and call me a snowflake or think about how much they'd feel at a Ted Talk about climate change. I'm just saying there are people I don't enjoy being around, and a lot of them go to Budds Creek.

I don't ride or race anymore but I'm thinking more about local races than nationals. A lot of my friends went a different direction than I did and became people I don't enjoy interacting with anymore, regardless of their vote.
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You say:

I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be healthier. If you build a country of the best people you will get the best country. Nobody here should be hungry or sick or homeless with all the abundance we have.

I say:

If your talking about helping someone who is going through a hardship, there are a lot of avenues for that through churches and many other organizations. That isn’t the government’s job.

If you’re talking about being happy to bail out lazy folks, well that’s too bad. It’s not right to take resources from those who work for them and give them to those who refuse to.
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9/2/2022 1:41pm
LOOnatic wrote:
Hey Jon you're talking to a a guy who voted for Obama and Trump. The FBI did harass parents who tried to get involved at school...
Hey Jon you're talking to a a guy who voted for Obama and Trump.
The FBI did harass parents who tried to get involved at school board meetings.
The fact that you're digging in on they must of been "terrorists" shows that you sir are the one living in an echo chamber.
I feel sorry for people like you (hardcore lefties) and also the hardcore righties who can no longer accept or process information that doesn't fit neatly with your political outlook.
Grow up dude.
Alright, my mistake for weighing in on something I haven't paid attention to. A quick Google shows me that the truth is probably somewhere between "hunted down like terrorists" and "not monitored by the FBI." Thanks for the note.
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Was going to bust your balls but I wouldn't go to Antifa event so I'm not sure of we agree on something..

If you don't race or ride anymore maybe you would feel better posting on CNN.com or another safe space?

Or maybe riding again would be cathartic and would help you work out your issues to where you might be tolerant of other people again??
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Gworm wrote:
You say: I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be...

You say:

I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be healthier. If you build a country of the best people you will get the best country. Nobody here should be hungry or sick or homeless with all the abundance we have.

I say:

If your talking about helping someone who is going through a hardship, there are a lot of avenues for that through churches and many other organizations. That isn’t the government’s job.

If you’re talking about being happy to bail out lazy folks, well that’s too bad. It’s not right to take resources from those who work for them and give them to those who refuse to.
My man, Missouri receives twice as much money in federal aid as it pays in federal taxes. It's the 4th biggest beneficiary among the United States. It sounds like you have the very common belief that someone who busts their ass for $50k, $100k, maybe $200k shouldn't have to pay a significant part of their paycheck to someone who does not work and receives only government benefits. I totally agree with you.

I'm very nearly in agreement with Bernie on the idea that billionaires maybe need not exist. Maybe if you've invented something or you're a CEO then you can have a net worth equal to your entire payroll. In Amazon's case, that would mean Jeff Bezos can keep $20 billion in his piggybank to match the $20 billion that his 1.6 million employees earn annually.

That leaves about $140 billion, in this one man's case, to cover all of Missouri's current federal funding for TWENTY YEARS if the balance grew at zero percent over that time. $140 billion compounded monthly at 1% interest is $17 billion per year. You'd have to spend $266,000 per minute to outpace that growth.

There is enough money in our system for the very rich to still be very rich while everyone else benefits.
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LOOnatic wrote:
Was going to bust your balls but I wouldn't go to Antifa event so I'm not sure of we agree on something.. If you don't race...
Was going to bust your balls but I wouldn't go to Antifa event so I'm not sure of we agree on something..

If you don't race or ride anymore maybe you would feel better posting on CNN.com or another safe space?

Or maybe riding again would be cathartic and would help you work out your issues to where you might be tolerant of other people again??
I would also avoid going to an Antifa event and have nothing to talk about with people in that crowd either.
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I’ll lead this off by first commending the OP for having the courage to make a post of this nature and stand in here for the blows.

At the same time, I believe you need take a look around this message board and the pits at your moto track. It isn’t made up of grown men looking to hand out empathy. The pits are made up of middle and upper-middle class self-employed successful businessman and business owners.

To cross the bridge from surviving to thriving in business, we’ve all had moments where our backs were against the wall, much like some folks and their student loans. Rather than throw our hands up and be the victims of circumstance, we buckled down and persevered through it. We’re all tougher for it – the experience forges mental strength, confidence, and self-esteem that carries through. No one threw us a life preserver – it was sink or swim.

The tone of your post and others like it; to be a kind human being and help people, is that it ignores the fact that even in today’s civilized world the laws of nature are still in play. There are predators and there are prey. Most have no idea, but every one of those assholes in Washington DC are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are seeking to save you from your short term pain because they know it creates dependency.

My response to "be a kind human being and help people" is by choosing personal excellence. Every day. We all do better when we all do better.

This country creates 1700+ millionaires EVERY. FUCKING. DAY. It’s your decision to align and empower yourself with that or to align yourself with the victim narrative that we’re all condition to believe.

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9/2/2022 4:45pm
jetbull721 wrote:
Just going out on a limb here but I bet you've sipped some Bernie cool-aide and liked it. Sounds like you need to take a trip...
Just going out on a limb here but I bet you've sipped some Bernie cool-aide and liked it. Sounds like you need to take a trip to Venezuela that Bernie described as "living the American dream better than Americans" and take a look around.





not a surprise that US Sanctions are not listed on that timeline,
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9/2/2022 5:11pm
Gworm wrote:
You say: I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be...

You say:

I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be healthier. If you build a country of the best people you will get the best country. Nobody here should be hungry or sick or homeless with all the abundance we have.

I say:

If your talking about helping someone who is going through a hardship, there are a lot of avenues for that through churches and many other organizations. That isn’t the government’s job.

If you’re talking about being happy to bail out lazy folks, well that’s too bad. It’s not right to take resources from those who work for them and give them to those who refuse to.
jonathonmx wrote:
My man, Missouri receives twice as much money in federal aid as it pays in federal taxes. It's the 4th biggest beneficiary among the United States...
My man, Missouri receives twice as much money in federal aid as it pays in federal taxes. It's the 4th biggest beneficiary among the United States. It sounds like you have the very common belief that someone who busts their ass for $50k, $100k, maybe $200k shouldn't have to pay a significant part of their paycheck to someone who does not work and receives only government benefits. I totally agree with you.

I'm very nearly in agreement with Bernie on the idea that billionaires maybe need not exist. Maybe if you've invented something or you're a CEO then you can have a net worth equal to your entire payroll. In Amazon's case, that would mean Jeff Bezos can keep $20 billion in his piggybank to match the $20 billion that his 1.6 million employees earn annually.

That leaves about $140 billion, in this one man's case, to cover all of Missouri's current federal funding for TWENTY YEARS if the balance grew at zero percent over that time. $140 billion compounded monthly at 1% interest is $17 billion per year. You'd have to spend $266,000 per minute to outpace that growth.

There is enough money in our system for the very rich to still be very rich while everyone else benefits.
This Bezos guy you speak of, is he a conservative activist fighting for conservatism to keep him rich and give him power? Are any of the well known billionaires conservative activist?
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9/2/2022 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 6:15pm
Gworm wrote:
You say: I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be...

You say:

I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be healthier. If you build a country of the best people you will get the best country. Nobody here should be hungry or sick or homeless with all the abundance we have.

I say:

If your talking about helping someone who is going through a hardship, there are a lot of avenues for that through churches and many other organizations. That isn’t the government’s job.

If you’re talking about being happy to bail out lazy folks, well that’s too bad. It’s not right to take resources from those who work for them and give them to those who refuse to.
jonathonmx wrote:
My man, Missouri receives twice as much money in federal aid as it pays in federal taxes. It's the 4th biggest beneficiary among the United States...
My man, Missouri receives twice as much money in federal aid as it pays in federal taxes. It's the 4th biggest beneficiary among the United States. It sounds like you have the very common belief that someone who busts their ass for $50k, $100k, maybe $200k shouldn't have to pay a significant part of their paycheck to someone who does not work and receives only government benefits. I totally agree with you.

I'm very nearly in agreement with Bernie on the idea that billionaires maybe need not exist. Maybe if you've invented something or you're a CEO then you can have a net worth equal to your entire payroll. In Amazon's case, that would mean Jeff Bezos can keep $20 billion in his piggybank to match the $20 billion that his 1.6 million employees earn annually.

That leaves about $140 billion, in this one man's case, to cover all of Missouri's current federal funding for TWENTY YEARS if the balance grew at zero percent over that time. $140 billion compounded monthly at 1% interest is $17 billion per year. You'd have to spend $266,000 per minute to outpace that growth.

There is enough money in our system for the very rich to still be very rich while everyone else benefits.
Dude…it’s not like Bezos has $140B in his bank account (“his piggy bank”) that he can just turn over to your state…it’s equity in a business…or are you in favor of giving the state control of his company (giving them that much in stock)…but the stock only benefits the state if they sell it…and if they try and sell all of it…it would kill the value of the stock.

What you are proposing is a dumb idea.
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9/2/2022 5:37pm
This Bezos guy you speak of, is he a conservative activist fighting for conservatism to keep him rich and give him power? Are any of the...
This Bezos guy you speak of, is he a conservative activist fighting for conservatism to keep him rich and give him power? Are any of the well known billionaires conservative activist?
Musk has been labelled a neo-conservative, but only because he’s not extreme left.
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9/2/2022 5:43pm
scott_nz wrote:
Serious question Would you honestly not go to the races because people there that would vote for trump ? To me , that seems pretty low...
Serious question

Would you honestly not go to the races because people there that would vote for trump ?

To me , that seems pretty low . I mean if you enjoy the same thing why does it matter who you vote for ?
jonathonmx wrote:
I wouldn't skip going somewhere to avoid people who would vote for Trump. I would avoid going somewhere where the majority of people speak or act...
I wouldn't skip going somewhere to avoid people who would vote for Trump. I would avoid going somewhere where the majority of people speak or act in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable. Folks can read that and call me a snowflake or think about how much they'd feel at a Ted Talk about climate change. I'm just saying there are people I don't enjoy being around, and a lot of them go to Budds Creek.

I don't ride or race anymore but I'm thinking more about local races than nationals. A lot of my friends went a different direction than I did and became people I don't enjoy interacting with anymore, regardless of their vote.
I'm just going to go out on the limb here. Did you read what you wrote? It is 100% from the way they vote. You even categorized a group of people that you know, as being climate deniers because of the way they vote. You should just go ahead and label them everything else you don't agree with them on.
Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe it is you that has changed and not them? Just note, Bill Clinton of the year 2000 would be a very good conservative these days, including his stance on the border. Do you think they as a group are ousting you and saying I can't stand to be around Jonathan anymore because he voted liberal? Or are they just being themselves no matter if you are there or not and you are hating on them because of how they voted. I'm just asking. Do they as a group have a chip on their shoulder to you or is it you that just has a chip on his shoulder to all of them because you vote different? Maybe take a step back. See what makes you happy. It should be spending time with your friends being yourself and not putting them through a litmus test in order to categorize and label them of their beliefs. Does carrying this distain that you expressed make you happy, make your life better, make anybody's life better? Does voicing your distain for others who think different than you by starting this thread make you happy?

I'm not going to end my response with a conclusion. Have you realized in your coolaid that everything that has a statement, a label and a therefore conclusion is bullshit? Figure it out for yourself.
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9/2/2022 6:01pm
jon is very confused. Obviously.
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9/2/2022 6:03pm
jonathonmx wrote:
How much would you know about Venezuela if conservative talk shows weren't taking the worst possible example they could find and telling you that's where we're...
How much would you know about Venezuela if conservative talk shows weren't taking the worst possible example they could find and telling you that's where we're headed? Honestly, can you point to it on a world map?
What would finding it on a map have to do with its govt style working or not? Over half of America probably couldn’t find Arkansas on the map lol.
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No surprise a person would be in a state of confusion when everything they believe in contradicts itself.
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I'm just going to go out on the limb here. Did you read what you wrote? It is 100% from the way they vote. You even...
I'm just going to go out on the limb here. Did you read what you wrote? It is 100% from the way they vote. You even categorized a group of people that you know, as being climate deniers because of the way they vote. You should just go ahead and label them everything else you don't agree with them on.
Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe it is you that has changed and not them? Just note, Bill Clinton of the year 2000 would be a very good conservative these days, including his stance on the border. Do you think they as a group are ousting you and saying I can't stand to be around Jonathan anymore because he voted liberal? Or are they just being themselves no matter if you are there or not and you are hating on them because of how they voted. I'm just asking. Do they as a group have a chip on their shoulder to you or is it you that just has a chip on his shoulder to all of them because you vote different? Maybe take a step back. See what makes you happy. It should be spending time with your friends being yourself and not putting them through a litmus test in order to categorize and label them of their beliefs. Does carrying this distain that you expressed make you happy, make your life better, make anybody's life better? Does voicing your distain for others who think different than you by starting this thread make you happy?

I'm not going to end my response with a conclusion. Have you realized in your coolaid that everything that has a statement, a label and a therefore conclusion is bullshit? Figure it out for yourself.
My issue is less about who they vote for than what they value and what they make fun of. No need for conclusion. I’ve distanced myself from them and not the other way around. You’re 100% correct. People are nuanced and unfortunately there are only two choices in U.S. politics. I get that it works that way for people on less extreme points on the spectrum on both sides. I respect people who have something to say and I appreciate the time you put into this comment. Several others on this page are good too. G’night folks.
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This Bezos guy you speak of, is he a conservative activist fighting for conservatism to keep him rich and give him power? Are any of the...
This Bezos guy you speak of, is he a conservative activist fighting for conservatism to keep him rich and give him power? Are any of the well known billionaires conservative activist?
The Koch brothers, Peter Thiel?
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For me it's not the opinion I ever take issue with it's the condescending fuckwit tone that can accompany it..

I'd say both sides believe the other side is more guilty of it.. The constant attempts to humiliate someone just because they have different views is some bullshit and so fucken boring
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jonathonmx wrote:
That you’re an idiot asshole and we should all be nicer to each other.
Account suspended. Personal attacks, particularly with vulgar language is a no go.
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jonathonmx wrote:
That you’re an idiot asshole and we should all be nicer to each other.
ML512 wrote:
Account suspended. Personal attacks, particularly with vulgar language is a no go.
I stay out of here now days , but damn.......I had to laugh my ass off at this dudes last post. The irony alone is comical Laughing Laughing

jonathonmx wrote:

" That you’re an idiot asshole and we should all be nicer to each other. "

" I'm such a good person , with high moral values and nice to everyone.............You Idiot Asshole!!........Don't ever disagree with me again " !!! ReeeEEeeEE!!!

Jesus Christ my face hurts from laughing so hard haha!
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jonathonmx wrote:
That you’re an idiot asshole and we should all be nicer to each other.
ML512 wrote:
Account suspended. Personal attacks, particularly with vulgar language is a no go.
I'm almost 100% sure that post was actually meant to be a joke man

Unless the irony was completely lost on him haha
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jonathonmx wrote:
That you’re an idiot asshole and we should all be nicer to each other.
ML512 wrote:
Account suspended. Personal attacks, particularly with vulgar language is a no go.
jemcee wrote:
I'm almost 100% sure that post was actually meant to be a joke man

Unless the irony was completely lost on him haha
We all have it coming, kid.
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9/3/2022 1:45am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 2:09am
jonathonmx wrote:
I expect this to get deleted because I can’t imagine it will kick off a whole lot of productive discussion. I’ve been in this sport and...
I expect this to get deleted because I can’t imagine it will kick off a whole lot of productive discussion.

I’ve been in this sport and on this board, and its previous iterations, for a very long time. In the last few years the people here have done a few things for me:

1. They me less proud to be a fan of motocross, and then made me less of a fan of motocross, because a lot of the fun is having someone else to talk to about it.

2. They have provided a pulse on what the MAGA crowd is thinking and talking about.

You get an echo chamber when you force out the people who have a different opinion, and then you see enforced beliefs as the people who stay continue to pump each other’s beliefs.

You guys are crazy. You drink the kool-aid and then talk about folks you don’t know based on what you hear from people on this board and people like the ones on this board.

Growing up racing I knew I was different than much of the crowd, but I loved it and had a blast. I went to college and paid off my student loans, struggled to get where I am in my career and now pay a lot on taxes from a blue state that goes on to fund red states and red state interests that I don’t always agree with.

Subsidizing citizens in any way should never cause us to fight against each other. Subsidizing banks and oil companies and other large corporations should cause us to fight together against such things.

I think it should be considered patriotic to want to support your fellow American, to want them to be better educated and to be healthier. If you build a country of the best people you will get the best country. Nobody here should be hungry or sick or homeless with all the abundance we have.

Members of both major parties are lying and pandering to keep their position and plenty should be in jail. These people are the “elites”, and not the people who live in cities and have college degrees, who they tell you to be mad at. You sound like an idiot when you mention Hunter Biden in response to Donald Trump’s legal trouble. One situation doesn’t excuse the other and and you’re just making yourself sound like a parrot in a house with Fox News on all day.
You are confused and you are part of the problem.

To start with, I congratulate you on paying off your student debt and being responsible. Millions of Americans have chosen to follow your actions. These people and those that haven’t incurred school loans are now burdened by a political stunt to gain approval and pay off to the most advantaged.

You want an open social discourse but complain that there is open social discourse and it is driving you away from the sport. Do you want open social discourse or do you really want a liberal echo chamber?

Compassion, respect, and dignity are American values and traits. They are not exclusively owned by democrats/ liberals. To engage in discourse allows Americans to maximize and live these things. If you are calling Americans who have different beliefs/ opinions than you racists or fascists this indicates you are intolerant and you should re read the first sentence of this paragraph and self reflect on how to engage in open social discourse and if you can’t, “change the channel.”

Democratic attempts to drive wedges between Americans through tribalism and intersectional grievances is un American. Just look at who is benefiting from this, the elites, and who is paying the price, the people.

It is the government’s responsibility to provide the environment for us, all the people, to achieve life, liberty, and happiness according to our ***individual interests***. As Americans, we are granted special protections and freedoms to do this that people in other countries do not have. Because we are ***individually***pursuing life, liberty, and happiness there will be differences. These ***differences are not inequality***. Individually pursuing happiness is part of what makes Americans great. Demanding equity to achieve equality based on arguments of intersectional biases is false and un American. We all have the power to achieve what we want according to our individual interests.

Your position is troubled, and I find it odd that you are proclaiming that you are part of the problem and want things changed to your way.
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