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Mr. Afterbar 8/30/2022 5:04am
8/30/2022 5:04am
Bruce372 wrote:
So in the time since we last had one of these suzuki threads, has anyone gone out and bought a new suzuki?
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with downplaying Suzuki? Genuine question. I could see the hate if people were constantly ranting and raving, saying the bikes are...
Why are you so obsessed with downplaying Suzuki? Genuine question. I could see the hate if people were constantly ranting and raving, saying the bikes are the best thing out there, but they are not. There's one common denominator in every Suzuki thread, and it's you constantly berating them. Live and let live, man.
Bruce372 wrote:
Sorry, I am not downplaying suzuki, just being objective. They are great bikes, and go back and read, I regret selling my last one. That said...
Sorry, I am not downplaying suzuki, just being objective. They are great bikes, and go back and read, I regret selling my last one.

That said, and maybe where I come off negative is so many people saying how great they are but have never owned one. If you want suzuki professional team at the races, then go out and buy one and give suzuki a really good incentive to develop the bike more.

Mr. Afterbar, what are you riding these days? If it's yellow, I apologize if I've upset you. If it's not yellow, take the drive down from Greenbay to Sportland in south Wisconsin and pick one up! 😀
You haven't upset me at all. I've had my fair share of Suzuki's and almost bought the latest generation, but decided to stay on green which I bought from Sportland. FYI, Sportland is no longer in business.
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wrc777 8/30/2022 5:05am
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soggy wrote:
Tell that to the magpies guys that went back to last gen 250f motor.
wrc777 wrote:
Are any independent teams running the 22.5 bike yet in the US? Does the old engine in the new chassis allow them to change the anti-squat...
Are any independent teams running the 22.5 bike yet in the US? Does the old engine in the new chassis allow them to change the anti-squat to be more like the old bike?

The dyno tests are clear, the new engine is significantly faster everywhere and has better throttle response based on the reviews. Vohland didn't seem to be getting out motored by Cooper when they showed the overhead shots on Saturday. The only 250s I see consistently getting out pulled are the Hondas. Suzukis are not usually running high enough to get TV coverage so hard to say on those but they seem to do decent on starts. It would be interesting if they had a top tier rider to see where the bike really stands.
kiwifan wrote:
the Hondas are getting out pulled??? Seriously??? I know you dont like Hondas but heck thats so wrong it aint funny.
I can see it when I watch the races. I saw it before I ever bought a Honda. Two years ago at Indy supercross there was a jump section out of a corner and the star and pc bikes could triple out. Jett had to hit the corner perfect to barely make it and once it got rough he couldn’t make it anymore but Shimoda and the Star riders kept hitting it. I see this a lot when I watch the races. Don’t you wonder why people are able to pass Jett right back? You don’t see people passing Cooper, RJ, or Shimoda like that. When is alone and can make good lines it has enough power. When he has to change things up a bit the lack of power is obvious to me. The new bike looks a little better but still not up to par. Jett has to really conserve momentum compared to the competition or he gets pulled out of corners.

I guess we will see when he gets on the 450 if he can suddenly pass a lot easier. The Honda 450 does not lack power compared to the other bikes.
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wrc777 wrote:
Are any independent teams running the 22.5 bike yet in the US? Does the old engine in the new chassis allow them to change the anti-squat...
Are any independent teams running the 22.5 bike yet in the US? Does the old engine in the new chassis allow them to change the anti-squat to be more like the old bike?

The dyno tests are clear, the new engine is significantly faster everywhere and has better throttle response based on the reviews. Vohland didn't seem to be getting out motored by Cooper when they showed the overhead shots on Saturday. The only 250s I see consistently getting out pulled are the Hondas. Suzukis are not usually running high enough to get TV coverage so hard to say on those but they seem to do decent on starts. It would be interesting if they had a top tier rider to see where the bike really stands.
kiwifan wrote:
the Hondas are getting out pulled??? Seriously??? I know you dont like Hondas but heck thats so wrong it aint funny.
wrc777 wrote:
I can see it when I watch the races. I saw it before I ever bought a Honda. Two years ago at Indy supercross there was...
I can see it when I watch the races. I saw it before I ever bought a Honda. Two years ago at Indy supercross there was a jump section out of a corner and the star and pc bikes could triple out. Jett had to hit the corner perfect to barely make it and once it got rough he couldn’t make it anymore but Shimoda and the Star riders kept hitting it. I see this a lot when I watch the races. Don’t you wonder why people are able to pass Jett right back? You don’t see people passing Cooper, RJ, or Shimoda like that. When is alone and can make good lines it has enough power. When he has to change things up a bit the lack of power is obvious to me. The new bike looks a little better but still not up to par. Jett has to really conserve momentum compared to the competition or he gets pulled out of corners.

I guess we will see when he gets on the 450 if he can suddenly pass a lot easier. The Honda 450 does not lack power compared to the other bikes.
Power was an issue on the last gen Honda 250f but not so much with the new.
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Suzukifan2019 8/31/2022 6:54am
8/31/2022 6:54am
I understand that Suzuki now do the same that what they did with JGR. The wsx begins in one month, if they change brands, it could be the same for hep and barx.
We also have to wait the last round of the Japanese championship. A new bike could show up.
If not, I think that Suzuki will keep the Rmz unchanged like the RM 85. Till the day they will do an electric bike.
We'll have answers soon!

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jamiechapman418 9/1/2022 10:33am
9/1/2022 10:33am
I love Suzuki's. Always have. That being said, I would doubt they have a new bike coming. For me, I love the simplicity of the zook. I do all my own repairs/maintenance, I don't finance toys, I don't race anymore, and am a 200lb vet who doesn't have as much time to ride so I prefer the power of 250s. For all those reasons, I can go buy a brand new RMZ 250 off the showroom floor with money in the bank and have it do everything I need it to do. I would be willing to bet there are many in similar places as me. However, that isn't making Suzuki bookoo bucks to make it worth it for them to design a new machine at this stage of the game I'm afraid.
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seth505 9/1/2022 11:07am
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HEP Kawi?

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TeamGreen 9/1/2022 8:52pm
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seth505 wrote:
HEP Kawi? [img]https://c.tenor.com/mPQ_OFqyHUQAAAAC/dks.gif[/img]
HEP Kawi?

Or Chris Rock from the movie “Head of State”…

“That ain’t right!”

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suzukiguy 9/1/2022 9:44pm
9/1/2022 9:44pm
Seeing they’ve pulled the pin on motogp I’d be curious to see if they do get some momentum on the dirt side. With all the things over the past decade they’ve still got quite a large fan base, I can smell a zooki surge if they come out with an overhaul in 24. They’re a great handling bike always have been so it’s not like they don’t have a decent base to build off.
KiwiBermRailer 9/1/2022 10:11pm
9/1/2022 10:11pm
The Yellow bikes will be back with Kenny on it next year!! Go Suzuki!
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Dirty Points 9/2/2022 7:24am
9/2/2022 7:24am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 7:39am
soggy wrote:
There not good enough to win on, but Tomac could win on one(assuming it’s with a top team)?

Confused by your statement.
Bruce372 wrote:
Do you think if Tomac was on a Suzuki this year he would have the red plate?
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out...
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out of the question....
Tomac's mistake/stall last week in Moto2 at Ironman may have been enough to close the championship door if he were on a Zook.
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jamiechapman418 9/2/2022 8:42am
9/2/2022 8:42am
No doubt that at the highest lever of motocross, E-start now is a must. Although, I think its safe to assume that in the not so distant future, e-start will be obsolete as well at the highest level and all electric bikes will be the norm. Interesting to think that if all the manufactures switch to all electric MX machines and Suzuki decides to just keep selling the unchanged current model for years and years to come like with the RM85, will their sales go up?
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Mr. Afterbar 9/2/2022 1:43pm
9/2/2022 1:43pm
Bruce372 wrote:
Do you think if Tomac was on a Suzuki this year he would have the red plate?
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out...
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out of the question....
Dirty Points wrote:
Tomac's mistake/stall last week in Moto2 at Ironman may have been enough to close the championship door if he were on a Zook.
Third place was 20+ seconds back. It would have changed nothing.
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Dirty Points 9/2/2022 4:28pm
9/2/2022 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 4:30pm
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out...
Not without electic start. But since him and Chase are consistently beating 3rd place by 30 seconds with starts outside the top 10. It's not out of the question....
Dirty Points wrote:
Tomac's mistake/stall last week in Moto2 at Ironman may have been enough to close the championship door if he were on a Zook.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Third place was 20+ seconds back. It would have changed nothing.
But that was an awkward place for a kick restart in terms of bike position and footing. I definitely could see (and have seen) Tomac stuck for 20 secs on restart.
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NorCalRedRyder 9/2/2022 9:53pm
9/2/2022 9:53pm
Dirty Points wrote:
Tomac's mistake/stall last week in Moto2 at Ironman may have been enough to close the championship door if he were on a Zook.
Why the down votes? He's not wrong, especially on a 4 stroke you need the electric start. You drop a Cr250 in a turn and one kick and it's started again. 4 strokes are a different story, how many times have you seen a factory 4 stroke rider, before electric start, sit there and try to kick start it 10 times before it before it got going?
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UpTiTe 9/2/2022 9:58pm
9/2/2022 9:58pm
ML512 wrote:
Matthes has been talking about HEP too, he actually brought it up before I heard anything.

BarX comments started around Washougal.
I hear HEP getting Kawasaki support.
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H.E.penyypacker432 9/2/2022 10:35pm
9/2/2022 10:35pm
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Why the down votes? He's not wrong, especially on a 4 stroke you need the electric start. You drop a Cr250 in a turn and one...
Why the down votes? He's not wrong, especially on a 4 stroke you need the electric start. You drop a Cr250 in a turn and one kick and it's started again. 4 strokes are a different story, how many times have you seen a factory 4 stroke rider, before electric start, sit there and try to kick start it 10 times before it before it got going?
It isn't 2004, those things fired right up.
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Dirty Points 9/2/2022 11:08pm
9/2/2022 11:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 11:23am
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Why the down votes? He's not wrong, especially on a 4 stroke you need the electric start. You drop a Cr250 in a turn and one...
Why the down votes? He's not wrong, especially on a 4 stroke you need the electric start. You drop a Cr250 in a turn and one kick and it's started again. 4 strokes are a different story, how many times have you seen a factory 4 stroke rider, before electric start, sit there and try to kick start it 10 times before it before it got going?
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
It isn't 2004, those things fired right up.
Except there have been multiple times when a bike didn't "fire right up" and folks passed Eli throughout his career. This wasn't one.

It is not a monstrous advantage. I didn't claim it was. But it is certainly an advantage, and maybe 10-20 secs over the course a season is the type of numbers factories tend to spend 6 figures to obtain. And this comes basically free for choosing any brand with e-start
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H.E.penyypacker432 9/2/2022 11:17pm
9/2/2022 11:17pm
Dirty Points wrote:
Except there have been multiple times when a bike didn't "fire right up" and folks passed Eli throughout his career. This wasn't one. It is not...
Except there have been multiple times when a bike didn't "fire right up" and folks passed Eli throughout his career. This wasn't one.

It is not a monstrous advantage. I didn't claim it was. But it is certainly an advantage, and maybe 10-20 secs over the course a season is the type of numbers factories tend to spend 6 figures to obtain. And this comes basically free for choosing any brand with e-start
E start doest fire right up all the time either though...happened to sexton this year. Whats your point?
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Dirty Points 9/2/2022 11:23pm
9/2/2022 11:23pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 10:53am
Dirty Points wrote:
Except there have been multiple times when a bike didn't "fire right up" and folks passed Eli throughout his career. This wasn't one. It is not...
Except there have been multiple times when a bike didn't "fire right up" and folks passed Eli throughout his career. This wasn't one.

It is not a monstrous advantage. I didn't claim it was. But it is certainly an advantage, and maybe 10-20 secs over the course a season is the type of numbers factories tend to spend 6 figures to obtain. And this comes basically free for choosing any brand with e-start
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
E start doest fire right up all the time either though...happened to sexton this year. Whats your point?
My point is that e-start is an obvious advantage that Eli took in a sequence that could leave him farther behind or even passed.

And, to be clear: I am not saying that kickstart is unreliable for starting purposes. Sure -- both kick and electric may not light it one time or another.

I am saying footing is frequently situationatially awkward or unworkable for kickstarting, and only addresed by moving the bike. E-start almost always eliminates this case, and with the type of haste riders seek in race situations.
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NorCalRedRyder 9/2/2022 11:53pm
9/2/2022 11:53pm
Eh doesn't matter me. I stopped racing when the 4 stroke (cheater bikes) took over and you had to pay 12k to buy one. I'll take my 03 CR250 2 stroke over any 4stroke. Besides the fact they take very little skill to ride and repairs are ridiculously expensive. I thought they would kill the sport. But say hello to ebikes. It makes me sad that my favorite sport will be none existent in 10 years.
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Harambe Nanny 9/3/2022 12:43am
9/3/2022 12:43am
Maybe their just folding up like most unprofitable teams, and the team switch is just a ruse
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Sandusky26 9/3/2022 1:57am
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Eh doesn't matter me. I stopped racing when the 4 stroke (cheater bikes) took over and you had to pay 12k to buy one. I'll take...
Eh doesn't matter me. I stopped racing when the 4 stroke (cheater bikes) took over and you had to pay 12k to buy one. I'll take my 03 CR250 2 stroke over any 4stroke. Besides the fact they take very little skill to ride and repairs are ridiculously expensive. I thought they would kill the sport. But say hello to ebikes. It makes me sad that my favorite sport will be none existent in 10 years.
Why you worried about 12K? You said you were set for life and never had to work again?
NorCalRedRyder 9/3/2022 2:24am
9/3/2022 2:24am
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Eh doesn't matter me. I stopped racing when the 4 stroke (cheater bikes) took over and you had to pay 12k to buy one. I'll take...
Eh doesn't matter me. I stopped racing when the 4 stroke (cheater bikes) took over and you had to pay 12k to buy one. I'll take my 03 CR250 2 stroke over any 4stroke. Besides the fact they take very little skill to ride and repairs are ridiculously expensive. I thought they would kill the sport. But say hello to ebikes. It makes me sad that my favorite sport will be none existent in 10 years.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Why you worried about 12K? You said you were set for life and never had to work again?
I'm good to go buddy. 4 strokes suck and I miss the old days when you had to have skill to ride a bike fast.
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NorCalRedRyder 9/3/2022 3:04am
9/3/2022 3:04am
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
It isn't 2004, those things fired right up.
With that said very few people, including myself, could never ride any 450 production stock bike to it's full potential. If Suzuki adds an electric start and keeps their handling in tact, it is a great bike for the geezers like me (I refuse to ride a 4 stroke cheater bike myself) I'm 42 btw. I love my 2 stroke that actually requires skills to ride fast. 4 strokes are lame imo.
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NorCalRedRyder 9/3/2022 3:13am
9/3/2022 3:13am
jamiechapman418 wrote:
No doubt that at the highest lever of motocross, E-start now is a must. Although, I think its safe to assume that in the not so...
No doubt that at the highest lever of motocross, E-start now is a must. Although, I think its safe to assume that in the not so distant future, e-start will be obsolete as well at the highest level and all electric bikes will be the norm. Interesting to think that if all the manufactures switch to all electric MX machines and Suzuki decides to just keep selling the unchanged current model for years and years to come like with the RM85, will their sales go up?
Once electric bikes become the the norm, I will be done watching the sport. I know it's coming and it makes me sad. Thank God for YouTube. I hated 4 strokes and now we will have Supercross races with bikes that sounds like RC Cars? RIP SX and MX. 😥
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NorCalRedRyder 9/3/2022 3:42am
9/3/2022 3:42am
Sandusky26 wrote:
Why you worried about 12K? You said you were set for life and never had to work again?
Not worried about anything, I just hate 4 strokes. Although my all time favorite bike was a 1998 XR 200. That bike was amazing on the Norcal blue groove clay at Clubmoto in Norcal during the summer months. Good times.
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wrc777 9/3/2022 6:12am
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jamiechapman418 wrote:
No doubt that at the highest lever of motocross, E-start now is a must. Although, I think its safe to assume that in the not so...
No doubt that at the highest lever of motocross, E-start now is a must. Although, I think its safe to assume that in the not so distant future, e-start will be obsolete as well at the highest level and all electric bikes will be the norm. Interesting to think that if all the manufactures switch to all electric MX machines and Suzuki decides to just keep selling the unchanged current model for years and years to come like with the RM85, will their sales go up?
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Once electric bikes become the the norm, I will be done watching the sport. I know it's coming and it makes me sad. Thank God for...
Once electric bikes become the the norm, I will be done watching the sport. I know it's coming and it makes me sad. Thank God for YouTube. I hated 4 strokes and now we will have Supercross races with bikes that sounds like RC Cars? RIP SX and MX. 😥
We still race 2 stroke rc cars. Electric didn’t kill them off. You can’t replace the sound or power delivery with electric. You also can’t run a 45 or even a 30 minute main with an e buggy.
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soggy 9/3/2022 6:45am
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Lol says he hates 4 strokes then admits his favor bike is a 4 stroke.
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ML512 9/3/2022 6:48am
9/3/2022 6:48am
Sounds like BarX is staying put on yellow.
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Suzukifan11 9/3/2022 6:52am
9/3/2022 6:52am
I heard from one of the last pulpmx podcast that AC9 rejected the offer from HEP as he didn't want to ride the current bike and have to switch and adapt himself to another bike next year...
(wich could means that they are definetely switching of brand next year)
But on another podcast Justin Pipes have said that concerning the future with SUZUKI, he couldn't tell anything about a new bike, but he said that the future is bright!
So there is big contradiction between the two informations...
Wait for the WSX series, we gonna hear about SUZUKI plans pretty soon!
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