2023 ktm 450

Meister
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Edited Date/Time 8/25/2022 11:27pm
Who has one already?

Looking for real world reports from guys who don't get paid to report. Not that I don't value those opinions as well!

Specifically, anyone go from a jap bike to the 23? Will I regret leaving my Honda? I love my Honda ergos and gel well with it. However, orange has been tempting and I haven't owned Austrian since 16 with the choke me till I die 4cs suspension. At 215-220, I'm not small, and I hear the air works well for us bigger guys.

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Meister
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How about now?
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Dealer here had one


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Meister wrote:
How about now?
You had a works edition Honda last year right?
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Electrical system is very problematic, especially when washing the bike. Example: Dungey Washougal.

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Dirt bike magazine just put up a review on YouTube. I know you were asking for owner reviews, but it’s an interesting review, and they don’t pull any punches. Sounds like they liked the 22 better.
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KTM Riders:
“Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep dropping weight, and possibly some spokes that aren’t continually loose.”

KTM:
“F-off. Here’s stiffer frame, harsher air fork, more weight, and a super aggressive engine. We’ll still win MXA’s shootout, lol.”

Yamaha Riders:
“Current YZ450 is great, but how about less weight, better ergos, and maybe a hydro clutch?”

Yamaha:
“We got you. Here’s a bigger rider triangle, thinner shrouds, 5lb less weight, hydro clutch option, the KYB suspension you love, and a little more rpm to play with. Oh, we’ve also given you a bulletproof steel clutch basket and upgraded the tuning app.”
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Meister wrote:
How about now?
You had a works edition Honda last year right?
Still do!
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Meister wrote:
How about now?
You had a works edition Honda last year right?
Meister wrote:
Still do!
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
8/25/2022 4:22pm
Broseph wrote:
KTM Riders: “Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep...
KTM Riders:
“Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep dropping weight, and possibly some spokes that aren’t continually loose.”

KTM:
“F-off. Here’s stiffer frame, harsher air fork, more weight, and a super aggressive engine. We’ll still win MXA’s shootout, lol.”

Yamaha Riders:
“Current YZ450 is great, but how about less weight, better ergos, and maybe a hydro clutch?”

Yamaha:
“We got you. Here’s a bigger rider triangle, thinner shrouds, 5lb less weight, hydro clutch option, the KYB suspension you love, and a little more rpm to play with. Oh, we’ve also given you a bulletproof steel clutch basket and upgraded the tuning app.”

Post of the year!!
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8/25/2022 4:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2022 4:31pm
You had a works edition Honda last year right?
Meister wrote:
Still do!
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode...
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a 21--22 and you'll like them even better. Spoke to a guy who rode the 23 at launch and he said 23 was so smooth and like it better than his 21 so I guess it only gets better. These things are awesome with minor tweaking/set up of suspension to suit you. Don't even need a pipe. Get a 23 50th anniversary edition, set suspension and I guarantee you will have a hard on the cat can't scratch.
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8/25/2022 4:33pm
Meister wrote:
Still do!
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode...
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a...
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a 21--22 and you'll like them even better. Spoke to a guy who rode the 23 at launch and he said 23 was so smooth and like it better than his 21 so I guess it only gets better. These things are awesome with minor tweaking/set up of suspension to suit you. Don't even need a pipe. Get a 23 50th anniversary edition, set suspension and I guarantee you will have a hard on the cat can't scratch.
You sold me with your closing sentence.
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You had a works edition Honda last year right?
Meister wrote:
Still do!
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode...
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
I love it. I'm just one of those people that likes new stuff. I have 37 hours on it. I just sat in a 23 ktm and it felt comfy. Lol.. ergo wise tho my Honda is a dream. If you get a chance to ride a new gen, do it. Massive improvement over the 17 I had. The maps make an honest difference too. The mellow map is extremely smooth. Too smooth for me. I tried to ride it in that map one time. I'm an old 2 stroke guy n love a big hit. I run my Honda in map 3! This is also why the ktm became appealing. The reports of a bigger hit!

I really honestly might end up keeping this one and waiting for a 24, or selling and buying maybe even another 23 Honda.

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Meister wrote:
Still do!
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode...
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a...
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a 21--22 and you'll like them even better. Spoke to a guy who rode the 23 at launch and he said 23 was so smooth and like it better than his 21 so I guess it only gets better. These things are awesome with minor tweaking/set up of suspension to suit you. Don't even need a pipe. Get a 23 50th anniversary edition, set suspension and I guarantee you will have a hard on the cat can't scratch.
Hell yeah I'm sold haha! I love the looks of the 50th anniversary bike too. My buddy who owns the '19 doesn't like the anniversary bike's looks. He's crazy, its beautiful. I gotta ride one first chance I get
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I'd like to know how it runs stock so I can sell my vortex
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How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode...
How do you like it? I love everything about the new Honda's. But it's so much motor. I'm on a 2020 KTM 450 FE. I rode my buddies 2019 Factory Edition Honda and it was so much faster than my bike. Way faster than my skill lol.
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a...
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a 21--22 and you'll like them even better. Spoke to a guy who rode the 23 at launch and he said 23 was so smooth and like it better than his 21 so I guess it only gets better. These things are awesome with minor tweaking/set up of suspension to suit you. Don't even need a pipe. Get a 23 50th anniversary edition, set suspension and I guarantee you will have a hard on the cat can't scratch.
Hell yeah I'm sold haha! I love the looks of the 50th anniversary bike too. My buddy who owns the '19 doesn't like the anniversary bike's...
Hell yeah I'm sold haha! I love the looks of the 50th anniversary bike too. My buddy who owns the '19 doesn't like the anniversary bike's looks. He's crazy, its beautiful. I gotta ride one first chance I get
Having owned a few WE CRF's recently...they are one hell of a machine, they are finicky to setup but once done are amazing....i find have have to adjust the suspension quite a bit between tracks i.e. one setup will not suit all tracks ...unlike say the Yamaha....but its usually slight change perhaps to sag, and some clickers.

FC do amazing things to the suspension and you would not regret a decent re-map either.

you think about cornering on a Honda and it does it for you...just about! Tradeoff (of course) is some minor instability at speed...it doesnt particularly scare or worry me though.
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8/25/2022 8:57pm
Am I the only one who thinks KTM screwed the pooch with their ice scraper shroud design? They could have put a little kink in it to break up the line or even went halfway between old and new design like my bottom mockup below:


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Am I the only one who thinks KTM screwed the pooch with their ice scraper shroud design? They could have put a little kink in it...
Am I the only one who thinks KTM screwed the pooch with their ice scraper shroud design? They could have put a little kink in it to break up the line or even went halfway between old and new design like my bottom mockup below:


I actually like either of those better than the real one. Nice work.

That being said, i think the new ktms are pretty cool looking. Current Hondas still look the best. Also, I think current Yamahas look better too (im probably in the minority.) But looks aside, i thought the Dirtbike mag review of the new KTM 450 was a bit surprising. It wasn't over the top praising. But the previous bike is tough to beat. I'm excited to try a 23. My friend just got one. I loved his 20. The part about the new chassis accenting the negatives of the AER scares me though. As I struggled with that fork on my Husky.
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Broseph wrote:
KTM Riders: “Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep...
KTM Riders:
“Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep dropping weight, and possibly some spokes that aren’t continually loose.”

KTM:
“F-off. Here’s stiffer frame, harsher air fork, more weight, and a super aggressive engine. We’ll still win MXA’s shootout, lol.”

Yamaha Riders:
“Current YZ450 is great, but how about less weight, better ergos, and maybe a hydro clutch?”

Yamaha:
“We got you. Here’s a bigger rider triangle, thinner shrouds, 5lb less weight, hydro clutch option, the KYB suspension you love, and a little more rpm to play with. Oh, we’ve also given you a bulletproof steel clutch basket and upgraded the tuning app.”
Got to admit this is funny but also pretty on the money.

I had a 20 450 sxf and it was a great bike. Only things I would have asked Ktm to change were a bit less vibration from the engine, springs in the forks, and stronger wheels. I don’t think anyone was asking for a stiffer frame and more weight.

I traded it for a 21 Honda 450r. I’m just a sucker for Honda’s and the looks sold me. The honda does some things better than the Ktm, but the main thing it does worse (twitchy feel) probably outweighs the others. I still enjoy it, but it is a very stiff chassis when riding hardpack. And I mostly ride hardpack😂

I’ll probably trade the honda for a Gasgas 450 before they move to the new platform. I’m not sold on the stiffer chassis is better philosophy.

8/25/2022 11:27pm
Broseph wrote:
KTM Riders: “Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep...
KTM Riders:
“Hey we love the current 450SXF. The smooth yet fast power is great and easy to ride. Maybe just give us better suspension, keep dropping weight, and possibly some spokes that aren’t continually loose.”

KTM:
“F-off. Here’s stiffer frame, harsher air fork, more weight, and a super aggressive engine. We’ll still win MXA’s shootout, lol.”

Yamaha Riders:
“Current YZ450 is great, but how about less weight, better ergos, and maybe a hydro clutch?”

Yamaha:
“We got you. Here’s a bigger rider triangle, thinner shrouds, 5lb less weight, hydro clutch option, the KYB suspension you love, and a little more rpm to play with. Oh, we’ve also given you a bulletproof steel clutch basket and upgraded the tuning app.”
wr74 wrote:
Got to admit this is funny but also pretty on the money. I had a 20 450 sxf and it was a great bike. Only things...
Got to admit this is funny but also pretty on the money.

I had a 20 450 sxf and it was a great bike. Only things I would have asked Ktm to change were a bit less vibration from the engine, springs in the forks, and stronger wheels. I don’t think anyone was asking for a stiffer frame and more weight.

I traded it for a 21 Honda 450r. I’m just a sucker for Honda’s and the looks sold me. The honda does some things better than the Ktm, but the main thing it does worse (twitchy feel) probably outweighs the others. I still enjoy it, but it is a very stiff chassis when riding hardpack. And I mostly ride hardpack😂

I’ll probably trade the honda for a Gasgas 450 before they move to the new platform. I’m not sold on the stiffer chassis is better philosophy.

Get the forks revalved (easy self revalve is changing the 0.3t shims in base valve to 0.2 t shims in 1st stage (going thinner is too thin for the bigger 14mm damper rod oil displacement) plus a little more oil height and drop the forks to flush to take out twitch completely, set preload and add a few clicks to both front and rear as required. If you are big guy go heavier on springs too. Add a tooth to rear also as gearing a tad tall.
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The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a...
The 19 CRF was a different gen to the 21-22 which was a HUGH improvement over 19-20, as is the motor. Get a ride on a 21--22 and you'll like them even better. Spoke to a guy who rode the 23 at launch and he said 23 was so smooth and like it better than his 21 so I guess it only gets better. These things are awesome with minor tweaking/set up of suspension to suit you. Don't even need a pipe. Get a 23 50th anniversary edition, set suspension and I guarantee you will have a hard on the cat can't scratch.
Hell yeah I'm sold haha! I love the looks of the 50th anniversary bike too. My buddy who owns the '19 doesn't like the anniversary bike's...
Hell yeah I'm sold haha! I love the looks of the 50th anniversary bike too. My buddy who owns the '19 doesn't like the anniversary bike's looks. He's crazy, its beautiful. I gotta ride one first chance I get
kiwifan wrote:
Having owned a few WE CRF's recently...they are one hell of a machine, they are finicky to setup but once done are amazing....i find have have...
Having owned a few WE CRF's recently...they are one hell of a machine, they are finicky to setup but once done are amazing....i find have have to adjust the suspension quite a bit between tracks i.e. one setup will not suit all tracks ...unlike say the Yamaha....but its usually slight change perhaps to sag, and some clickers.

FC do amazing things to the suspension and you would not regret a decent re-map either.

you think about cornering on a Honda and it does it for you...just about! Tradeoff (of course) is some minor instability at speed...it doesnt particularly scare or worry me though.
Man you're speaking my language. I've always been willing to trade stability for cornering

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