There's series a thing wrong with mxgp

But MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, just ask them.

The demise of mxgp has begun. When the people running the show dont give a shit about the sport and just the money the inevitable will happen . Imagine going to a national here in the states and watching 15-18 riders riding around, what a shit show. Even the racing has been boring with a occasional good jago and vialle battle, i wont be buying stream package next year.

It's because of emx250. Why get 15th in mx2 when you can win emx250.
Should get rid of the 23 rule and make emx250 U19

That doesn’t explain the low turnout for the main class

As odd as it is, AMA nationals had 91 450 racers trying to qulaify for the Budds Creek National. MXGP needs to try a different approach to filling their gates.

It’s hardly a World Championship, they don’t pay riders, empty gates..

Unless you're top 5 or top 10 you barely make any money at all. Plenty of interviews (Lawrence Brothers, Tixier for example) where most teams don't even pay any money and just provide bikes and equipment. Is there even any kind of contingency paypout in mxgp? I still remember when HRC looked for a replacement rider and they asked Tixier a year ago I think but told him he doesn't get any money from them, just the bike.
The difference between top 10 mx2 riders in mxgp and 250 riders in the US with how they live is insane.

I still enjoy mxgp, but it's not what it was 10-20 years ago.

About Tixier and Hrc: https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/jordi-tixier-refused-to-repla…

"Yes, it's true. I received an offer from HRC and there was also a meeting. Like many other things that happen in sport at the moment, the offer didn't include any payment for my performance".

That's everything you need to know about teams and mxgp lol.

If there was no emx250 all those 250fs would have no option but to race mx2. You know like it was back when 60-80 riders showed up to try an qualify back in the day.

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

Yet the level of the riders are on an all-time high in the modern era (couple of decades). Sad stuff.

There are more riders in the EMX (European championship) classes than MX2/MXGP.
Maybe because of the costs?
I've heard that the EMX races are 300 euros to enter but MX2/MXGP is 1000 euros.
EMX got 10 rounds, MXGP 18 rounds...
So $18000 only in entry fees for the World championship🙄

The EMX rounds also do not travel beyond Europe/GB, right? That is a huge cost difference if so, and would make it similar to the nationals for participants.

Full season is 10.000, not 18.000 (still a lot of money).
A wildcard is 1.000 per gp.

Exactly this.

We just saw an EMX guy turn up at Budds and finish 9th... half the EMX guys should be in MX2 by now, the gates are an embarrassment, but just having gate fillers isnt the answer.

Money here is tightening up too, next year is going to be even worse .

Yak651 makes a good point. You can drop emx250 and say now they have to ride mx2 and the gate will be full. But there was no emxopen this weekend, and mxgp had a bad field as well.... So why would it be any different in mx2?

I would like to welcome and invite all MXGP riders to come and run the AMA Nationals and SX . Love to see Tony doing some races and all the rest( past and present) riders who came over to do SX and MX in the USA. They have all done really well and some won championships that were well deserved.

That's right, I forgot to mention that.
So it's not strange that privateers can only afford the EMX rounds.

Ok, I just read about the entry fees somewhere, but can't find it now.
You're probably right.

WHY are there minimal riders in either class?

EMX classes usually got full grid or almost full grid (38-40 riders)

Just listen to the MXVice interview with Jermey Seewer from yesterday .. Lewis Phillips was talking about MXGP bonus' and said the average US Factory rider gets 100k per win and Seewer said then why I am here?

There's been times when I've seen something like 96 and 112 riders trying to qualify for the EMX125 and EMX250 classes, though, I can't tell you which was which. And, the majority of time, both have very large entries. But, every now and then, even they can be low. Swings and roundabouts / ebb and flow. We've had some weird times in the last few years.

I like the EMX classes. Most notably the EMX125 series. The US, Needs a full 125 series. The 250 / bigger 2t class could be up and down in entries, and the MX Open has been (more than) a bit 'iffy' at times. It's the nature of travelling to difficult places, and, as I wrote, our 'difficult' times for having backing / funds to get to races.

The EMX series do offer a great 'blooding' of riders into the main show, and, a Series Championship, for Riders / Teams / Backers has great value to them.

And, EMX2 has Equivalency - which should be in place in all classes of racing.


A lower age limit on EMX250? Yes, at least while there is the idiotic 'over 23 and you're out' in MX2.

The main, well, the Imperative thing is to drop the age limit on MX2.

It Is a World Championship , on bikes with potential for 50HP+. They are Not tiddlers. That prick Luongo has just made it easier for some riders to decide to go to the USA, yet the Stupid Bastard never seems to catch onto that. As I've so often written here, just 2 examples of this are Zacho and Ferrandis - they left due to ageing out (well, I think Ferrandis had another year, but, he seemed to (rightfully) despise Luongo and wanted out from his rule) , and, their careers could have been dead and buried going into MXGP before they were ready. Not everyone is a Teenage Phenom, ready to dive in among the Sharks of MXGP. The USA having No age rule, gave them time to further develop, get 250 Titles, then have success in the 450s.

Now, I'm going to write a bit of heresy here, and, I have Also quite the opposing view in my scone, so it's all Very Bizzaro In The Bear Brain (but, when isn't it?), but, I don't have a problem with it Not being 40 riders on the gate. Just to have 40 riders on the track, when, so often many those that qualify, just by their placing on a times list. are so far off the pace of the top 10 / 15/ 20 riders, well..... But 19 entries in a French GP for MX2?????? Bloody Hell

The entry fees are fearful in the GPs. Cripes, even the EMX entry fees are too bloody much.

No 'prize' money, is just an insult. No chance of qualifying money, the same - well, I feel more so. .

But, Luongo thinks he's got MotoGP on his hands. He doesn't give a Flying F**k about having any much more than 20 riders out there. A few years back he had rules put into place / nearly put into place of a Maximum of 30 riders out there. That, thankfully, got stopped / rejected.

It's all about TV. Think, people, how much did we see of any other riders but the main players in the Budds Creek videos this weekend? Sweet FA, other than the main players, and the 'others', just when they are being lapped (with a goodly percentage of viewers then bitching about Lappers.....)

Luongo / 'they / 'them', just think of TV time, and see that MotoGP does quite well with only around 23 riders out there.

Me, I'd love to see fuller gates, but, with Luongo in charge - and Do Not kid yourselves, InFront is the Company that now 'owns' the GPs, but Luongo and his son, Davide, are the Machiavellians controlling it, still - I don't think things will change. We'll still have events with buggerall starters, and then, ones with far more.

As an aside - people asking about contingency in GPs? Of Bloody Course there is. It's what a rider can negotiate / companies offer. F**k me, I got contingency years and years ago, as an (even then, old) DH racer. It was a good earner that helped my participation and travel. More Motorcycles / Dirt Bikes are sold in Europe / Britain, as a whole, than the US market. So, Parts and Accessories etc go the same way. It doesn't surprise me that Americans think they buy more bikes etc than Europe / Britain, but when I see Euros / Brits thinking that, I do wonder.

Some of the riders in GPs are paid Huge amounts. Others, less, through to a reasonable living . While, many / most make bugger all. It's the way the sport (well, All sports) has always been, Those at the Top, make money, those only just below, make far less, and rapidly down the field, most make not much more than a brass Razoo. The concept of 'paid rides', is everywhere. Not necessarily literally the rider paying ( well, generally their Mummies and Daddies paying - though that goes on, Everywhere, in every Motorsport, and others) , but, that they bring sponsors / sponsors money into a Team, or, indeed, they have to get their earnings from said sponsors, and Not the team. It sucks, but, it's been so forever.

Oh, and to the recent collaboration between Feld and MX Sports: I do wonder when DC & Co's contract expires. As I'd be very surprised if Feld did not buy it up when it becomes available. One US Outdoor event has been done away with straight away, but you can bet your arse that if Feld gets a hold of the Outdoors from the France Family, well, there'll be less Outdoors, and ever more SX, or, whatever the SuperMotocross races transpire to actually be. . DC might just get outbid, or, just go "F**k it", 'contract' and keep his hand in with the Amateur races, and GNCC races that must be quite the earner for his Company(ies).