Journalists / Media..

I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
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Everything is driven by power, influence and leverage. I can’t speak ill about my employer, they have financial leverage over me.

Same goes for private businesses that take in advertising dollars from companies, and have joint venture partnerships with other business entities. Once a “journalist” partners with the promoter and magazine/media company - would anyone expect that to remain partial? I sure hope not. It’s not even protecting anyone else, it’s protecting self and investment risk. All involved there are null and void in any media capacity if the story pertains to MxSports, AMA, RacerX et al.

Michael has that here too to be fair. He has people he answers to at the end of the day…he doesn’t write his own check. I wouldn’t expect Michael to report every gory detail of something that directly involved his bosses and the owners of this website. Everyone has lines, some are just self inflictedly close.

The only way we’ll ever get what you’re talking about is a SubStack / Patreon style subscription funded model. This would take all influence, conflicts of interest, and own sunken cost out of the decision to report or burry facts.
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The cooksey model could work, YouTube and online platform.. just need a less TMZ drama version..
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Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that same time span. The revenue from said content wouldn’t have even covered my salary for that month.

Let alone any travel costs to go to events or another staff member to help with any editing work, etc.
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ML512 wrote:
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that...
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that same time span. The revenue from said content wouldn’t have even covered my salary for that month.

Let alone any travel costs to go to events or another staff member to help with any editing work, etc.
Damn ML you make that much!? Haha
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ML512 wrote:
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that...
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that same time span. The revenue from said content wouldn’t have even covered my salary for that month.

Let alone any travel costs to go to events or another staff member to help with any editing work, etc.
“HINT!”

So, uh…where’s this Patreon “Moto-Truth-Media” channel…?
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You want the scoop on rumors. Cooksey gives you the scoop on a rumor…but it pains you?
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ML512 wrote:
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that...
Would likely have to be combo of patreon/fan support and YouTube. In July we received more views on YouTube than any other moto-media company in that same time span. The revenue from said content wouldn’t have even covered my salary for that month.

Let alone any travel costs to go to events or another staff member to help with any editing work, etc.
TeamGreen wrote:
“HINT!”

So, uh…where’s this Patreon “Moto-Truth-Media” channel…?
It’s coming Bro be patient. A top secret team will b at the races getting all the juice you can handle. they will b posing as private contractor event staff. With listening devices that can pu every word spoken in every factory rig. Along with skimmy devices to get all the info off the bikes. It’s kinda neat. This tech is used by the police and other agencies for yrs.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport. The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge...
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it.

2- Tomac already said that it's the travel that has him going SX only.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport. The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge...
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
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1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it. 2- Tomac already said that it's the travel...
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it.

2- Tomac already said that it's the travel that has him going SX only.
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct parties weren't talking due to a legal dispute? The entire story would be uncovered and every potential angle reported on within an hour of the news breaking.... Sorry but you've clearly been living in the MX bubble for too long and/or have no idea what investigative journalism is...

Would you be kind enough to point me to the article/video where ET3 was asked about his retirement decision? I know after 4 months of crickets(even ET3 mentioned he was surprised it wasn't more widely reported) someine finally asked(thank you ML!) him if it was going to be his last year racing the nationals but i haven't seen/heard anyone ask the next logical follow-up inquiring into his thought process/what led to the decision.

You guys can thumbs down all you want and while it will undoubtedly hurt me deeply on a personal level and cost me countless hours of lost sleep and anxiety, it still won't make my statements regarding the dearth of investigative journalism in the sport any less factually accurate.

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HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport. The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge...
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it. 2- Tomac already said that it's the travel...
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it.

2- Tomac already said that it's the travel that has him going SX only.
HusqFan3 wrote:
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct...
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct parties weren't talking due to a legal dispute? The entire story would be uncovered and every potential angle reported on within an hour of the news breaking.... Sorry but you've clearly been living in the MX bubble for too long and/or have no idea what investigative journalism is...

Would you be kind enough to point me to the article/video where ET3 was asked about his retirement decision? I know after 4 months of crickets(even ET3 mentioned he was surprised it wasn't more widely reported) someine finally asked(thank you ML!) him if it was going to be his last year racing the nationals but i haven't seen/heard anyone ask the next logical follow-up inquiring into his thought process/what led to the decision.

You guys can thumbs down all you want and while it will undoubtedly hurt me deeply on a personal level and cost me countless hours of lost sleep and anxiety, it still won't make my statements regarding the dearth of investigative journalism in the sport any less factually accurate.

FWIW, the mainstream sports media covers up more shit and runs PR for their sports than you could imagine.

Im not sure the sport of MX would benefit tremendously from having all its dirtiest secrets uncovered. Tho it might be fun for a moment as a fan and we might envision a moral house cleaning doing the sport good, it also might kill the sport.

Maybe Im wrong. But I think we’re a bit crazy to expect more from our moto journalism than we do the media that covers our politicians.
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HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport. The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge...
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it. 2- Tomac already said that it's the travel...
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it.

2- Tomac already said that it's the travel that has him going SX only.
HusqFan3 wrote:
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct...
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct parties weren't talking due to a legal dispute? The entire story would be uncovered and every potential angle reported on within an hour of the news breaking.... Sorry but you've clearly been living in the MX bubble for too long and/or have no idea what investigative journalism is...

Would you be kind enough to point me to the article/video where ET3 was asked about his retirement decision? I know after 4 months of crickets(even ET3 mentioned he was surprised it wasn't more widely reported) someine finally asked(thank you ML!) him if it was going to be his last year racing the nationals but i haven't seen/heard anyone ask the next logical follow-up inquiring into his thought process/what led to the decision.

You guys can thumbs down all you want and while it will undoubtedly hurt me deeply on a personal level and cost me countless hours of lost sleep and anxiety, it still won't make my statements regarding the dearth of investigative journalism in the sport any less factually accurate.

They casually talked about it on Pulp last time he was on.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it. 2- Tomac already said that it's the travel...
1- If you're talking about Baggett, there's nothing to report because the people involved can't talk about it.

2- Tomac already said that it's the travel that has him going SX only.
HusqFan3 wrote:
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct...
LOL... So you think if Aaron Judge was on the Yankees one day and gone the next, the media wouldn't cover the story if the direct parties weren't talking due to a legal dispute? The entire story would be uncovered and every potential angle reported on within an hour of the news breaking.... Sorry but you've clearly been living in the MX bubble for too long and/or have no idea what investigative journalism is...

Would you be kind enough to point me to the article/video where ET3 was asked about his retirement decision? I know after 4 months of crickets(even ET3 mentioned he was surprised it wasn't more widely reported) someine finally asked(thank you ML!) him if it was going to be his last year racing the nationals but i haven't seen/heard anyone ask the next logical follow-up inquiring into his thought process/what led to the decision.

You guys can thumbs down all you want and while it will undoubtedly hurt me deeply on a personal level and cost me countless hours of lost sleep and anxiety, it still won't make my statements regarding the dearth of investigative journalism in the sport any less factually accurate.

They casually talked about it on Pulp last time he was on.
Yea sorry but I've listened the the entire episode. No one ever inquired into the reasoning/thought process that went into the decision. And as most people know, Eli will almost always answer direct questions but will rarely if ever expand beyond what was directly asked.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
Cycle news magazine subscription.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
I hate to say it, but everyone that does gets shit on. I can name 3 guys who broke stories and were called kooks and ran off. I mean look at the shot Cooksey got in the Deegan thread, and it turns out to be true.
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I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
UpTiTe wrote:
I hate to say it, but everyone that does gets shit on. I can name 3 guys who broke stories and were called kooks and ran...
I hate to say it, but everyone that does gets shit on. I can name 3 guys who broke stories and were called kooks and ran off. I mean look at the shot Cooksey got in the Deegan thread, and it turns out to be true.
Cooksey doesnt get shit on for his content. He gets shit on because he’s a fucking lame. Just like Hopper.

Their schtick is corny. If it was pure journalism nobody would have anything to complain about.
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8/13/2022 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 8/13/2022 8:17pm
Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML was active in the threads and shared the things he heard and who he heard them from. Steve asked Weege about it on his show and tweeted directly calling out Deegan and Star and likely will still interview this Brennan kid if he comes on the show. What exactly would you want either of them to do differently? They cannot make both sides of any story talk and it sounds like that's what you want. The Cooksey video was "great", but also has a bunch in it that Brennan did not validate and actually contradicted.....so that's good journalism somehow?
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Weege towing the company line in the post race wrap up was painful. Even you Weege? Even you
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Weege towing the company line in the post race wrap up was painful. Even you Weege? Even you
Why are you surprised? Weege is a company man. DC has been very good to him. Any of us in his shoes would do the exact same thing out of loyalty to a company that has been great to them.

Most people hate their bosses and companies they work for. Yet still let those bosses coerce them into doing all sortsa stuff NOT in their best interest. Im not sure the general public has any moral high ground here.
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Weege towing the company line in the post race wrap up was painful. Even you Weege? Even you
Sore Loser wrote:
Why are you surprised? Weege is a company man. DC has been very good to him. Any of us in his shoes would do the exact...
Why are you surprised? Weege is a company man. DC has been very good to him. Any of us in his shoes would do the exact same thing out of loyalty to a company that has been great to them.

Most people hate their bosses and companies they work for. Yet still let those bosses coerce them into doing all sortsa stuff NOT in their best interest. Im not sure the general public has any moral high ground here.
I'm not surprised, trust me. Doesn't make it suck any less
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Weege towing the company line in the post race wrap up was painful. Even you Weege? Even you
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Why are you surprised? Weege is a company man. DC has been very good to him. Any of us in his shoes would do the exact...
Why are you surprised? Weege is a company man. DC has been very good to him. Any of us in his shoes would do the exact same thing out of loyalty to a company that has been great to them.

Most people hate their bosses and companies they work for. Yet still let those bosses coerce them into doing all sortsa stuff NOT in their best interest. Im not sure the general public has any moral high ground here.
I'm not surprised, trust me. Doesn't make it suck any less
True.
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Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML...
Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML was active in the threads and shared the things he heard and who he heard them from. Steve asked Weege about it on his show and tweeted directly calling out Deegan and Star and likely will still interview this Brennan kid if he comes on the show. What exactly would you want either of them to do differently? They cannot make both sides of any story talk and it sounds like that's what you want. The Cooksey video was "great", but also has a bunch in it that Brennan did not validate and actually contradicted.....so that's good journalism somehow?
I didn't watch the Cooksey video, what was contradictory?
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Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML...
Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML was active in the threads and shared the things he heard and who he heard them from. Steve asked Weege about it on his show and tweeted directly calling out Deegan and Star and likely will still interview this Brennan kid if he comes on the show. What exactly would you want either of them to do differently? They cannot make both sides of any story talk and it sounds like that's what you want. The Cooksey video was "great", but also has a bunch in it that Brennan did not validate and actually contradicted.....so that's good journalism somehow?
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I didn't watch the Cooksey video, what was contradictory?
I didn't watch the Cooksey video, what was contradictory?
Watch it.
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People need to realise that journalism is dead, and now its just 'content'.

Not just MX , but EVERYTHING.. its all to generate clicks and money.

MXVice have tried to do it in GP's and they are getting heat for it.


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8/14/2022 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 2:21pm
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc. I understand these people have friends...
I wish there was a solid media source that would give us the real juicy breaking stories and rumours etc.

I understand these people have friends in the industry and sponsors etc so they have to be careful, but it pains me that Cooksey was on the money with this Deegan thing, for sure everyone else knew but didn’t talk.

This isn’t a stab at Vital, I know ML was trying to get the scoop, and was as suprised by that interview as we were..

To be clear, I’m Pulp nation (I even listen to the wrap up show sometimes) But it sux to not be able to hear these juicy stories from them.. #blucru I guess..
HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport. The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge...
Yea this is unfortunately a major issue with our sport.

The problem is there are no real journalist covering MX. To the best of my knowledge I don't know a single person covering the sport that actually studied or graduated with a degree in journalism. They're all ex-mechanics or industry insiders moonlighting as "journalists".

To be clear there are definitely some good people out there that i certainly appreciate and are good for the sport(e.g.. ML, Weege, etc) but as a whole there's a complete dearth of investigative journalists covering the sport that are willing and able to ask the tough questions and at times, even the easy ones.

Just a few recent examples that come to mind...

1) One of the top riders(BB4) in the sport leaves seemingly overnight. MX media= crickets.

2) Arguably the greatest rider of the current generation(ET3) signs a SX only deal signaling his retirement/impending end to HOF career? MX media= crickets for months and even today we still have no insight into what led to the decision.

3) Herlings(arguably best rider on planet) publically challenges ET3(arguably 2nd best rider on planet) to a 1:1 race? MX Media= crickets

If any of the above happened in any other sport you could google them 5min after they happened and find 1,000 articles examining them ad nauseoum in painstaking detail. MX? Literally nothing.
Weege....I believe Weege has a journalism degree....
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8/14/2022 2:30pm
I'm pretty sure MX journalism has ALWAYS been the same. Say one negative thing and ALL access is cut off. No access...no story. I could be mis-remembering but isn't that why the mags had to BUY a bike to test because if they took a freebie and called it a turd...all access to that team and brand was severed? Good question for Jody.
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8/14/2022 2:38pm
Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML...
Ok. So let's look specifically at Vital and Pulp MX for this Deegan story. Both ML and Steve reached out to Brennan for an interview. ML was active in the threads and shared the things he heard and who he heard them from. Steve asked Weege about it on his show and tweeted directly calling out Deegan and Star and likely will still interview this Brennan kid if he comes on the show. What exactly would you want either of them to do differently? They cannot make both sides of any story talk and it sounds like that's what you want. The Cooksey video was "great", but also has a bunch in it that Brennan did not validate and actually contradicted.....so that's good journalism somehow?
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I didn't watch the Cooksey video, what was contradictory?
I didn't watch the Cooksey video, what was contradictory?
Watch it.
I did, what did you find contradictory?
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8/14/2022 2:44pm
DonM wrote:
Weege....I believe Weege has a journalism degree....
I've personally had to deal with Weege in a serious matter before. I was tasked with putting a fire out.

While some were absolutely complicit. Weege played neutral about as good as anyone could ask. He knew how to be a journalist, a human, keep it from getting personal, and protect his relationship with the team at the same time. That's part of journalism is relationship building. It's why a guy like Weege is trusted by Bobby Regan with "on the record" info and probably some significant off the record stuff.

Weege a rare dude. Never heard a bad thing about him from anyone. He does owe me lunch tho from about 11 years ago.
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8/14/2022 2:46pm
plowboy wrote:
I'm pretty sure MX journalism has ALWAYS been the same. Say one negative thing and ALL access is cut off. No access...no story. I could be...
I'm pretty sure MX journalism has ALWAYS been the same. Say one negative thing and ALL access is cut off. No access...no story. I could be mis-remembering but isn't that why the mags had to BUY a bike to test because if they took a freebie and called it a turd...all access to that team and brand was severed? Good question for Jody.
I once "screwed" Febvre over, by make him tell him about going to Rinaldi when there wasn't a PR-released yet. It was at Orp-Le-Grand where he raced the Belgian Championship still for Jacky Martens Husqvarna. Since then I met him a few times and every time he has "no time" and few minutes later he's talking with Wheeler or some French journalist.

Journalism in motocross is hard because you keep bumping in the same riders and names. I had one rider and we got mutual respect and friendship but he never helped me with a scoop or anything just to keep me unbiased.

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8/14/2022 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 2:57pm
IMO
The industry is too small for that kind of reporting unless you had some non-industry big mainstream sponsors.
Imagine bad mouthing any major OEM and a handful of other companies in the industry and then expecting them to advertise on your platform. Or any sponsor in the industry for that matter.
Even if you got the reporting spot on accurate everytime they would still be pissed off and view you as harmful to their business once the juicy details portrayed them in a bad way.

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