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6/10/2022 4:44pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
Hit it and run
Chance1216 wrote:
Inflation shit the bed.
Laughing
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6/10/2022 4:47pm
oldfart wrote:
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's...
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's fault. LMAO!


Goddamit oldfart is it really you? Sonofabitch I actually missed you.
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6/10/2022 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 6/10/2022 4:55pm
Titan1 wrote:
Democrat policies will ruin the economy...government welfare programs, green this green that, higher taxes, more regulation, etc. etc. etc.....you can't do all of that AND still...
Democrat policies will ruin the economy...government welfare programs, green this green that, higher taxes, more regulation, etc. etc. etc.....you can't do all of that AND still have an economy that works for anyone BUT the rich people...Democrats talk about caring about poor/middle class people, but their actions do nothing but harm them. Its really irrefutable at this point...when will the poor and middle class wake up and stop voting for them?
Around here I'd say maybe when they learn to read English. "Send em $600' before the election, we'll be good"
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Blue, red, independent doesn't matter, we have some tough times ahead of us that's for sure. I don't understand how the average American, especially younger people namely millennials like myself are supposed to get by. Gas, food. Utilities etc. are getting more expensive every day it seems like. It's just insane. Hate to say it but I guess this is what has to happen to get people to wake up. I'm glad we destroyed our economy and supply chain over a virus that has a 99% survival rate.....
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6/10/2022 6:49pm
oldfart wrote:
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's...
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's fault. LMAO!


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Goddamit oldfart is it really you? Sonofabitch I actually missed you.
The OG liberal of Motodrive is back!
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6/10/2022 7:14pm
Titan1 wrote:
Democrat policies will ruin the economy...government welfare programs, green this green that, higher taxes, more regulation, etc. etc. etc.....you can't do all of that AND still...
Democrat policies will ruin the economy...government welfare programs, green this green that, higher taxes, more regulation, etc. etc. etc.....you can't do all of that AND still have an economy that works for anyone BUT the rich people...Democrats talk about caring about poor/middle class people, but their actions do nothing but harm them. Its really irrefutable at this point...when will the poor and middle class wake up and stop voting for them?
The Democratic party can't solve the problems because the Democratic party needs to be the solution.
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Blue, red, independent doesn't matter, we have some tough times ahead of us that's for sure. I don't understand how the average American, especially younger people...
Blue, red, independent doesn't matter, we have some tough times ahead of us that's for sure. I don't understand how the average American, especially younger people namely millennials like myself are supposed to get by. Gas, food. Utilities etc. are getting more expensive every day it seems like. It's just insane. Hate to say it but I guess this is what has to happen to get people to wake up. I'm glad we destroyed our economy and supply chain over a virus that has a 99% survival rate.....
I think about the same thing all the time. I was in California up until two years ago and wasn't sure how minimum wage workers even survived then. Now gas costs twice as much.

Now I'm in the Midwest and it's $100 to fill up each of our cars and it's really easy to spend $3-400 per week on groceries. But the grown ups are in charge, right? The horrible inflation numbers came out today and that bumbling idiot basically blamed it on Putin and greedy oil companies. I guess all the corporations just got together and decided to raise prices. Surely there is nothing else at play right?
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6/10/2022 7:23pm
oldfart wrote:
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's...
For having so many long-winded old farts, there sure are some short memories up in this mother. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't Bush's fault. LMAO!


borg wrote:
Goddamit oldfart is it really you? Sonofabitch I actually missed you.
Looking a little one-sided up in here. Thought I'd spice things up a bit. Laughing
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Looking a little one-sided up in here. Thought I'd spice things up a bit. Laughing
If this is indeed the real OF, welcome back fella. Long time no see.


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oldfart wrote:
Looking a little one-sided up in here. Thought I'd spice things up a bit. Laughing
Oh, almost forgot. Wink


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6/10/2022 8:56pm
jeffro503 wrote:
" Shhhh......( Whispering ) Don't worry folks , it won't cost you anything ".

Going to magically pull this money from my butt.
Didn't we just print something like 40 percent of all the money ever printed in the last 12 months?
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply



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6/10/2022 9:44pm
Hey OF is back!
Wrong as usual but still glad to have him back!
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6/10/2022 10:23pm
Hey OF is back!
Wrong as usual but still glad to have him back!
Yup, This is gonna be fun and funny.
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Blue, red, independent doesn't matter, we have some tough times ahead of us that's for sure. I don't understand how the average American, especially younger people...
Blue, red, independent doesn't matter, we have some tough times ahead of us that's for sure. I don't understand how the average American, especially younger people namely millennials like myself are supposed to get by. Gas, food. Utilities etc. are getting more expensive every day it seems like. It's just insane. Hate to say it but I guess this is what has to happen to get people to wake up. I'm glad we destroyed our economy and supply chain over a virus that has a 99% survival rate.....
I think about the same thing all the time. I was in California up until two years ago and wasn't sure how minimum wage workers even...
I think about the same thing all the time. I was in California up until two years ago and wasn't sure how minimum wage workers even survived then. Now gas costs twice as much.

Now I'm in the Midwest and it's $100 to fill up each of our cars and it's really easy to spend $3-400 per week on groceries. But the grown ups are in charge, right? The horrible inflation numbers came out today and that bumbling idiot basically blamed it on Putin and greedy oil companies. I guess all the corporations just got together and decided to raise prices. Surely there is nothing else at play right?
I know man its fucked up. The whole country is. I almost feel like moving outta this people's republic is pointless now. Even houses in FL/TX are pretty expensive from what I understand. And gas is expensive everywhere obviously.

Oh yeah it's definitely Putin. Has nothing to do with us not drilling our own oil. It's almost as if being energy independent would be the way to go. Oh wait.....
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6/11/2022 8:37am
oldfart wrote:
Looking a little one-sided up in here. Thought I'd spice things up a bit. Laughing
JAFO92 wrote:
If this is indeed the real OF, welcome back fella. Long time no see.


Been a short minute. I slid back in a while ago to pay respects to OC. Damnit! But then I couldn't resist. I had to jump in the fray.

I hate Donald Trump. Let's get that clear. LOL
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6/11/2022 8:51am
jeffro503 wrote:
" Shhhh......( Whispering ) Don't worry folks , it won't cost you anything ".

Going to magically pull this money from my butt.
Didn't we just print something like 40 percent of all the money ever printed in the last 12 months?
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/10/554538/s1200_Screenshot_20220610_224814_Brave.jpg[/img]
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply



The steepest rise took place during the previous administration…..


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The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
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AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
How'd it work for Trump? I mean, the chart above clearly suggests Trump put us on this path. But you blame Biden why?
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6/11/2022 9:10am
AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
Also, did you partake of the PPP funds? Because, if so, you were required to maintain most of the employees you had, or pay back that money. Most food service businesses either took PPP money, or went under. Some profited by doing so. Thus, if you did take PPP money, it's not really a surprise you didn't lay anyone off.

When Trump brought us to the point of insolvency with the money printer, PRE-COVID, the damage was already done. When COVID hit, and money printer had to start running in turbo mode because there was no rainy day fund, well, golly geepers. Here we are.

Congratulations. YOU built that.

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AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number, yeah?
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Didn't we just print something like 40 percent of all the money ever printed in the last 12 months?
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/10/554538/s1200_Screenshot_20220610_224814_Brave.jpg[/img]
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply



APLMAN99 wrote:
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration….. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/554654/s1200_AE0FA5DA_B896_481B_B47C_6F5B7E8E1289.jpg[/img]
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration…..


I have to commend you man.

You've been laying it to em' around here. Calmly, and usually, more politely than I could ever muster, you just lay out the facts.

Nice work! Cool
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Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/10/554538/s1200_Screenshot_20220610_224814_Brave.jpg[/img]
Yeah, it was something like 42% over the last 22 months... For the M2 money supply



APLMAN99 wrote:
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration….. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/554654/s1200_AE0FA5DA_B896_481B_B47C_6F5B7E8E1289.jpg[/img]
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration…..


oldfart wrote:
I have to commend you man. You've been laying it to em' around here. Calmly, and usually, more politely than I could ever muster, you just...
I have to commend you man.

You've been laying it to em' around here. Calmly, and usually, more politely than I could ever muster, you just lay out the facts.

Nice work! Cool
Can either of you post some info that shows the previous administration agreeing with actions of the Federal Reserve during 2019/2020? My memory could certainly be faulty, but I don't think Trump and Powell worked together to print money.
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6/11/2022 9:44am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2022 9:45am
Yeti831 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/10/554402/s1200_B0777CE8_0CFA_4B98_A648_AA2897EDEACA.jpg[/img]

I love how this graph leaves out the President before Obama who had me pay nearly 5 dollars a gallon back in 2007. No shady political tampering here.
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Yeti831 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/10/554402/s1200_B0777CE8_0CFA_4B98_A648_AA2897EDEACA.jpg[/img]

Shawn142 wrote:
I love how this graph leaves out the President before Obama who had me pay nearly 5 dollars a gallon back in 2007. No shady political...
I love how this graph leaves out the President before Obama who had me pay nearly 5 dollars a gallon back in 2007. No shady political tampering here.
Don't you remember? Bush wasn't responsible for gas prices. At least, that was the prevailing wisdom around here at the time. I remember because I tried to argue otherwise. I was wrong then, Bush still sucked, hard, but he had zero control over the price of gas. Those suggesting otherwise are wrong now. I can admit I was wrong. Puts me a step ahead of the game here. Smile
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AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
oldfart wrote:
Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number, yeah?
Let's pretend the entire world wasn't shut down for his last year in office.
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AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
oldfart wrote:
Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number, yeah?
Let's pretend the entire world wasn't shut down for his last year in office.
No, let's be honest. Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number. #Winning
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No, let's be honest. Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number. #Winning
Ok ,then honestly . The entire world was shut down.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration….. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/554654/s1200_AE0FA5DA_B896_481B_B47C_6F5B7E8E1289.jpg[/img]
The steepest rise took place during the previous administration…..


oldfart wrote:
I have to commend you man. You've been laying it to em' around here. Calmly, and usually, more politely than I could ever muster, you just...
I have to commend you man.

You've been laying it to em' around here. Calmly, and usually, more politely than I could ever muster, you just lay out the facts.

Nice work! Cool
vet323 wrote:
Can either of you post some info that shows the previous administration agreeing with actions of the Federal Reserve during 2019/2020? My memory could certainly be...
Can either of you post some info that shows the previous administration agreeing with actions of the Federal Reserve during 2019/2020? My memory could certainly be faulty, but I don't think Trump and Powell worked together to print money.
So Trump vetoed the spending bills? Is that what you are suggesting? Or, the money just printed itself? Also, the first year of any POTUS is really on the previous admin, budget-wise, yeah?

Not sure where you're trying to go here, but it seems like a dead end.
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CP-Lie inflation rate.

Yesterday's reported CPI of 8.6% had the cost of housing (rent/home prices) component as up 5.5% YOY. This component is heavily weighted and makes up around a third of the CPI. Meanwhile apartments.com has reported an 15.3% increase in rent nationally, and it's about the same for the national increase in housing prices. Personally, according to Zillow my house is up 14% YOY. It's currently being reported that the inflation rate hasn't been this high since 1982 when the CPI was calculated with a direct reading of housing/rent price increases, but this is an apples to oranges comparison. If you replace the fantasy land 5.5% increase with the more accurate 15% we're around an 11.4% inflation rate which is creeping up on the high-water inflation rate of 14% in 1981. This doesn't even account for the other accounting tricks the BLS has rolled out starting in the 90s like hedonics and substitutions. The important difference though between then and now is that the American economy was strong enough and the US savings rate was high enough to withstand the 20% fed funds interest rate that was unleashed to stomp out that inflation. We're still under 1% and the credit markets are already shitting the bed after barely coming off the floor of the rediculous 0% interest rates.

Inflation is the increase (or "inflation") of the money supply, which is currently mostly due to government deficit spending in the developed nations around the world. Price increases are not inflation, but are the symptom of inflation.

The government will continue to try and throw the blame around. It's the supply chains, it's the billionaires, it's Putin, it's corporations. No mention of the recent multi-trillion dollar government budget deficits, record breaking trade deficits, exploding federal reserve balance sheet and the explosion in base money supply. It was fun when all that inflation was flowing into the stock market, but not so fun now that's it's flowing into the prices of goods and service.

The government calculating the inflation rate is like the mob being in charge of reporting the crime rate.

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