New KTM 300 SX Two Stroke in Action

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Edited Date/Time 5/20/2022 3:50am
Jacob Hayes ripping the new machine for us at Red Bud...

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/RAW-Two-Stroke-Action-2023-KTM-…

It's worth the watch.
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sandman768 5/17/2022 5:19pm
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Awesome! Ktm keeps hitting them where they ain’t….they will sell everyone they import…I had been wanting a new Xc300, but this is what I really want….
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I'm sorry man.... a 2 stroke is the sound of MX and always will be.

In the timeless prose of Jeff Spicoli.... "Awesome!! Totally awesome!!!!"

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JWACK 5/17/2022 5:47pm
5/17/2022 5:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2022 7:03pm
Interesting rev limiter sound at 1:27.
Sounds great though.
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Forty 5/17/2022 6:01pm
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Wow. A researched, developed and manufactured, motocross specific production 2-stroke open bike in 2022.

Kinda brings a tear to my eye.

Can't wait for a closer look.
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Forty wrote:
Wow. A researched, developed and manufactured, motocross specific production 2-stroke open bike in 2022. Kinda brings a tear to my eye. Can't wait for a closer...
Wow. A researched, developed and manufactured, motocross specific production 2-stroke open bike in 2022.

Kinda brings a tear to my eye.

Can't wait for a closer look.
Meanwhile back in Japan.

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OrangeJuice158 5/17/2022 6:54pm
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1911 wrote:
Meanwhile back in Japan. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/17/550734/s1200_0630FEE7_D7D7_4B28_8BAE_0C0F38135B7A.jpg[/img]
Meanwhile back in Japan.

Ok that’s pretty funny
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OnTheCrossbar 5/17/2022 7:25pm
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PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx and put a deposit down...
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OnTheCrossbar wrote:
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx...
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx and put a deposit down...
Won’t really know til it’s mass produced and in the hands of customers. Almost every new bike has oddities to be sorted
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user760a 5/17/2022 7:29pm
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KTM. Doing the work the Japanese manufacturers just won't do.

The Japanese seem to be absolutely playing follow the leader with each other. Thinking inside the box x10. Some credit to Yamaha for being slightly more open to changes....
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Cayden Thompson 5/17/2022 7:33pm
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OnTheCrossbar wrote:
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx...
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx and put a deposit down...
I'm with ya. Waiting for reviews. I'd sell my YZ250 in a heartbeat.
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Andy7 5/18/2022 6:03am
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ML512 wrote:
Jacob Hayes ripping the new machine for us at Red Bud... https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/RAW-Two-Stroke-Action-2023-KTM-300SX-at-RedBud-MX,21232/B-Rez991,72128 It's worth the watch.
Jacob Hayes ripping the new machine for us at Red Bud...

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/RAW-Two-Stroke-Action-2023-KTM-…

It's worth the watch.
Little off topic, can you share the GoPro settings? That video is nice.
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lumpy790 5/18/2022 6:45am
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After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
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ML512 5/18/2022 6:47am
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lumpy790 wrote:
After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
No. 250cc is still the limit for two strokes in the premier / 450 class.
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lumpy790 wrote:
After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
ML512 wrote:
No. 250cc is still the limit for two strokes in the premier / 450 class.
And isn't that pathetic.

Got to keep these 'handicap class' rules in place, and keep those scary 300cc strokes away from those 450 4 strokes......... when will this idiocy end?
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It was well worth the watch.
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sandman768 5/18/2022 7:48am
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At this point, who is holding up the 250 2 stroke into the 250 class and an open 2 stroke into the 450 class? This is just politics at its worst… maybe not so much in the 450 class but the 250 class would be a breathe of fresh air to privateers and level out the HP and cost associated with competing….
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dcg141 5/18/2022 9:22am
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lumpy790 wrote:
After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
ML512 wrote:
No. 250cc is still the limit for two strokes in the premier / 450 class.
So the rumor has been that if like displacement 2 strokes were allowed some manufactures threatened to take their ball and go home. Any validity to that rumor?

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Broseph 5/18/2022 9:27am
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lumpy790 wrote:
After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
ML512 wrote:
No. 250cc is still the limit for two strokes in the premier / 450 class.
Who exactly is responsible for the 250cc and 125cc limits sticking around? AMA? MX Sports? Where do we send our angry letters?
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Fouled Plug 5/18/2022 9:37am
5/18/2022 9:37am
OnTheCrossbar wrote:
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx...
PLEASE, just tell me if it needs time for the bugs to be worked through, I need to know if I should sell this 21 250sx and put a deposit down...
My 2 cents as a former owner of a couple KTM first year releases. I'd wait at least a model year before taking the plunge. I feel they rush things to production, find out what worked, what failed then correct from there. The TPI models are a fine example of that.
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Richy 5/18/2022 9:38am
5/18/2022 9:38am Edited Date/Time 5/18/2022 9:39am
They should call Honda's bluff, there's no way they quit just because some equal rights 2 Strokes show up, especially with all the Lawrence related publicity they're getting in the class.

Sweet video regardless.
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ACBailey89 5/18/2022 11:00am
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Broseph wrote:
Who exactly is responsible for the 250cc and 125cc limits sticking around? AMA? MX Sports? Where do we send our angry letters?
The Japanese manufactures that don’t produce 2 strokes would throw a shit fit and threaten to leave racing. Manufactures pull is the reason it will never ever change.
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soggy 5/18/2022 11:18am
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ACBailey89 wrote:
The Japanese manufactures that don’t produce 2 strokes would throw a shit fit and threaten to leave racing. Manufactures pull is the reason it will never...
The Japanese manufactures that don’t produce 2 strokes would throw a shit fit and threaten to leave racing. Manufactures pull is the reason it will never ever change.
I would call their bluff.
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Broseph 5/18/2022 11:22am
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Broseph wrote:
Who exactly is responsible for the 250cc and 125cc limits sticking around? AMA? MX Sports? Where do we send our angry letters?
ACBailey89 wrote:
The Japanese manufactures that don’t produce 2 strokes would throw a shit fit and threaten to leave racing. Manufactures pull is the reason it will never...
The Japanese manufactures that don’t produce 2 strokes would throw a shit fit and threaten to leave racing. Manufactures pull is the reason it will never ever change.
Sounds like a problem they created for themselves.
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lumpy790 wrote:
After homologation Would the 300SX be legal in the 450 Nationals?
ML512 wrote:
No. 250cc is still the limit for two strokes in the premier / 450 class.
dcg141 wrote:
So the rumor has been that if like displacement 2 strokes were allowed some manufactures threatened to take their ball and go home. Any validity to...
So the rumor has been that if like displacement 2 strokes were allowed some manufactures threatened to take their ball and go home. Any validity to that rumor?
Suzuki heard rumour and closed their RnD.
scott_nz 5/18/2022 11:47am
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Richy wrote:
They should call Honda's bluff, there's no way they quit just because some equal rights 2 Strokes show up, especially with all the Lawrence related publicity...
They should call Honda's bluff, there's no way they quit just because some equal rights 2 Strokes show up, especially with all the Lawrence related publicity they're getting in the class.

Sweet video regardless.
Go see the damage doing that did to the ama road race series
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Justin_P 5/18/2022 11:51am
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JWACK wrote:
Interesting rev limiter sound at 1:27.
Sounds great though.
I noticed that too. 2stroke stand up jet skis used to have rev limiters, seems perfectly reasonable to have one here as well.
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JWACK 5/18/2022 1:17pm
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JWACK wrote:
Interesting rev limiter sound at 1:27.
Sounds great though.
Justin_P wrote:
I noticed that too. 2stroke stand up jet skis used to have rev limiters, seems perfectly reasonable to have one here as well.
I definitely think it’s reasonable and a good idea.
Just one of the noticeable differences I could spot right away is all.
Hopefully it’s a soft limit rather than a hard one.
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rjg 5/18/2022 2:20pm
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Japan is not concerned with external manufacturing competition in the same way westerners are with respect to motocross bikes. They are mostly focused on competition inside Japan. Its the culture.
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