AC9 on a Suzuki?

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wreckitrandy 5/5/2022 7:37pm
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jaun wrote:
You should of said the first MX bike that's not a Connondale to have EFI. Or maybe "Suzuki where the second MX bike manufacturer to have...
You should of said the first MX bike that's not a Connondale to have EFI.

Or maybe "Suzuki where the second MX bike manufacturer to have EFI on a production bike"
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Don't get in the way of a libnut and 'his' truth. You might mess around and trigger his inner butch.
Sandusky26 wrote:
How do you explain the ATK604 EFI made in 1992? It was a production bike, the first one with EFI.
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with fuel injection.... But I can't do it. I was wrong. Cannondale was not the first fuel injected mx bike. I stand corrected by my betters.
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Black Diesel Bomber 5/5/2022 9:05pm
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#9 looks great on a Zook as Hot Sauce demonstrates below. AC should join the list of the greats who rode yellow...






















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chasetwo79 5/5/2022 9:17pm
5/5/2022 9:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/5/2022 9:18pm
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
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Dirty Points 5/5/2022 9:26pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it...
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
No. The RMZ is 247 lbs WET, or all of 2 lbs heavier than the bike that just clinched the SX Championship.
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inthebadboycorner 5/5/2022 9:29pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it...
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
Really, I think the stock Suzuki, looks lean, and the best looking bike.
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chasetwo79 5/5/2022 9:32pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it...
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
inthebadboycorner wrote:
Really, I think the stock Suzuki, looks lean, and the best looking bike.
I agree. I think the HEP bikes are probably some of the best bikes in the pits lookswise.
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NorCalRedRyder 5/5/2022 9:46pm
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Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997

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chasetwo79 wrote:
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it...
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
Dirty Points wrote:
No. The RMZ is 247 lbs WET, or all of 2 lbs heavier than the bike that just clinched the SX Championship.
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there.

Not even trying to be creative or throw real resources at it.
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chasetwo79 5/5/2022 10:49pm
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/05/548332/s1200_s600_19.jpg[/img]
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997

I remember watching him at the gatorback national that year as a kid. He got 2nd I think, but dude was hauling the mail on a bike people said as garbage. For anyone who doubts his outdoor speed, it was legit.
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Thisusernameisavailable 5/5/2022 11:23pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it...
A stock zook 450 is like 250 pounds dry. My FC450 is like 223 lbs. that’s a big gap to close. How do they do it?

Obviously the engine can be made competitive. We know the suspension can be made competitive. We also know an RM is probably still the best cornering bike of all time.

So we we can work with all of that, but how in the fuck do they shave off enough weight? What does an HEP bike weigh on race night? How light has any RM army fellas here gotten your bike? And how? That’s the shit that interests me.
Dirty Points wrote:
No. The RMZ is 247 lbs WET, or all of 2 lbs heavier than the bike that just clinched the SX Championship.
I’d reckon there’s a greater variance in the weight of the riders than there is in their bikes.
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Thisusernameisavailable 5/5/2022 11:25pm
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/05/548332/s1200_s600_19.jpg[/img]
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997

Shift jersey on a Fox pant… odd combo.

(No need to tell me Fox owned shift..)
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Sandusky26 5/6/2022 12:39am
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with...
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with fuel injection.... But I can't do it. I was wrong. Cannondale was not the first fuel injected mx bike. I stand corrected by my betters.
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
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Sandusky26 5/6/2022 12:45am
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yz133rider wrote:
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there. Not even trying to be creative or throw...
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there.

Not even trying to be creative or throw real resources at it.
A Ti FMF pipe shaves off over 3 pounds compared to the stocker.
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NorCalRedRyder 5/6/2022 1:29am
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/05/548332/s1200_s600_19.jpg[/img]
Damn everyone including MC was biting Fro's style in 1997

chasetwo79 wrote:
I remember watching him at the gatorback national that year as a kid. He got 2nd I think, but dude was hauling the mail on a...
I remember watching him at the gatorback national that year as a kid. He got 2nd I think, but dude was hauling the mail on a bike people said as garbage. For anyone who doubts his outdoor speed, it was legit.
I was talking about the Shift jersey. I can't hate on MC even though he had nipple rings. He's
not the king for no reason. Respect
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NorCalRedRyder 5/6/2022 1:32am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Shift jersey on a Fox pant… odd combo.

(No need to tell me Fox owned shift..)
He was just trying to get Fro's leftovers is the story I heard!😂
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Really, I think the stock Suzuki, looks lean, and the best looking bike.
If I went to the dealer today to get a new bike, a Suzuki would be at the very bottom of the list, however I do think they are an objectively GREAT looking bike.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being...
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
Who would win in a fight an ATK rode by sandy or a RMZ rode by randy
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amilky912 wrote:
Who would win in a fight an ATK rode by sandy or a RMZ rode by randy
Us.

Let's make it happen, shit by the looks of it they are damn near neighbors, probably even related one way or another.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with...
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with fuel injection.... But I can't do it. I was wrong. Cannondale was not the first fuel injected mx bike. I stand corrected by my betters.
Sandusky26 wrote:
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being...
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
FYI this is getting framed and hung in my living room. Just an amazing post. 10/10. Laughing my ass off.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with...
Well, I could take a page out of your book and say something like, you proved my point, Suzuki clearly wasn't the first motocross bike with fuel injection.... But I can't do it. I was wrong. Cannondale was not the first fuel injected mx bike. I stand corrected by my betters.
Sandusky26 wrote:
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being...
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
FYI this is getting framed and hung in my living room. Just an amazing post. 10/10. Laughing my ass off.
There's irony in that post...
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Really, I think the stock Suzuki, looks lean, and the best looking bike.
nskerb wrote:
If I went to the dealer today to get a new bike, a Suzuki would be at the very bottom of the list, however I do...
If I went to the dealer today to get a new bike, a Suzuki would be at the very bottom of the list, however I do think they are an objectively GREAT looking bike.
I’ll take my Suzuki over those junk Kawasaki’s they’re pumping out right now
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Langhammx 5/6/2022 4:26pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
There's irony in that post...
Yes there is ! But when Sandusky26 is being a smart ass, he is really good at it ! He provides some good laughs for me. Some people just have a knack for that
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yz133rider wrote:
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there. Not even trying to be creative or throw...
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there.

Not even trying to be creative or throw real resources at it.
Sandusky26 wrote:
A Ti FMF pipe shaves off over 3 pounds compared to the stocker.
And that’s just the muffler part of the exhaust. That stocker has to be the heaviest muffler ever made by a long way.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being...
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
amilky912 wrote:
Who would win in a fight an ATK rode by sandy or a RMZ rode by randy
Hypothetical question: Can you be a liberal if you have never voted? I’m down to arm wrestle suckitrandy anytime.
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Johnny Ringo 5/6/2022 7:48pm
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Back to the HEP thing…would HEP have an easier time signing big name dudes if they clipped 722? I feel like they have that “privateer” vibe with Adam on the team
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Sandusky26 wrote:
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being...
I’m glad I could educate you Randy, your welcome. Instead of trying to be a smart ass, stick to what your familiar with, which is being a dumbass. Why do you feel the need to correct people on a subject you know nothing about. Suzuki was the first Jap bike with EFI, Fact. ATK was the first period.
amilky912 wrote:
Who would win in a fight an ATK rode by sandy or a RMZ rode by randy
Sandusky26 wrote:
Hypothetical question: Can you be a liberal if you have never voted? I’m down to arm wrestle suckitrandy anytime.
I don't know Sandyvag. I'm still pretty roughed up from my education.
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Thisusernameisavailable 5/6/2022 11:54pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Really, I think the stock Suzuki, looks lean, and the best looking bike.
nskerb wrote:
If I went to the dealer today to get a new bike, a Suzuki would be at the very bottom of the list, however I do...
If I went to the dealer today to get a new bike, a Suzuki would be at the very bottom of the list, however I do think they are an objectively GREAT looking bike.
Luke_Richards wrote:
I’ll take my Suzuki over those junk Kawasaki’s they’re pumping out right now
I’d take a Suzuki over a Honda- the red brand simply does not flick my switch.. anything but a Honda for me.
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KiwiBermRailer 5/7/2022 12:40am
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Bike- that engines plenty fast enough (powers not an issue in the 450s) and it seems to put the power down nicely. On starts the yellow...
Bike- that engines plenty fast enough (powers not an issue in the 450s) and it seems to put the power down nicely. On starts the yellow bikes are regularly near the front with the factory bikes. Granted it may be a bit heavier, but it’s still one of the best handling bikes.
Team- it seems the main reasons for his success at Star is more freedom and working with his favourite suspension guy. I don’t see HEP being as stubborn as factory Kawi or Yamaha.

So in short, I believe Tomac would still be competitive and capable of winning on the Suzuki. So why would AC’s results be any different? The simple fact is, despite what some would have you believe, the old yellow bike’s still not far off the mark.
It’s Vital man! Just yesterday the “blue pig” was the curse of all racers….

Hands down Tomac or AC would do well if it was set up how they like ;ie Star racing.
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yz133rider wrote:
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there. Not even trying to be creative or throw...
Pirelli tires, Renthal fb36 bars, akrapovic ti exhaust, ti axles, ti bolt kit, probably 10lbs already right there.

Not even trying to be creative or throw real resources at it.
Sandusky26 wrote:
A Ti FMF pipe shaves off over 3 pounds compared to the stocker.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
And that’s just the muffler part of the exhaust. That stocker has to be the heaviest muffler ever made by a long way.
And buying the full fmf system also knocks off 3lbs on the ktm and husky, because that steel resonance chamber header is very heavy, whereas the suzuki header (at least the ones on both my rmz450s) was titanium.
But you already knew that, since you've owned both bikes and can be completely objective, right?

Ps. That full fmf system was a total waste of $1100 on the husky, but the aluminum fmf 4.1 slip on worked well on rhe rmz.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
A Ti FMF pipe shaves off over 3 pounds compared to the stocker.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
And that’s just the muffler part of the exhaust. That stocker has to be the heaviest muffler ever made by a long way.
Bruce372 wrote:
And buying the full fmf system also knocks off 3lbs on the ktm and husky, because that steel resonance chamber header is very heavy, whereas the...
And buying the full fmf system also knocks off 3lbs on the ktm and husky, because that steel resonance chamber header is very heavy, whereas the suzuki header (at least the ones on both my rmz450s) was titanium.
But you already knew that, since you've owned both bikes and can be completely objective, right?

Ps. That full fmf system was a total waste of $1100 on the husky, but the aluminum fmf 4.1 slip on worked well on rhe rmz.
Why do you say that at the system being a total waste? No usable performance difference?

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