Ktm vortex ecu question

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Brent 5/4/2022 5:04pm
5/4/2022 5:04pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2022 5:11pm
Langhammx wrote:
:blink: Guess I’ve been extremely lucky on all of my bikes, I’ve never touched the TPS and every bike runs great. CRF250/450, RMZ450, SX 150, RM250’s...
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Guess I’ve been extremely lucky on all of my bikes, I’ve never touched the TPS and every bike runs great. CRF250/450, RMZ450, SX 150, RM250’s. EXC500, SXF350

Jamie never mentioned it, Yosh didn’t mention it, Frenchie either. Have I been missing out on something? I feel like I just found out my girlfriend has been cheating on me. Evil
Don't know what to tell ya.

It's in the Vortex installation sheet and on their website I think.

I met with Chad's programmer at XPR when we first had these done last year, because we had a special map installed.

He specifically told me to establish the TPS end points when you change fuel trim or map selection switches, or change the idle level on the motorcycle.

So we always do it.

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Langhammx 5/4/2022 5:21pm
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Brent wrote:
Don't know what to tell ya. It's in the Vortex installation sheet and on their website I think. I met with Chad's programmer at XPR when...
Don't know what to tell ya.

It's in the Vortex installation sheet and on their website I think.

I met with Chad's programmer at XPR when we first had these done last year, because we had a special map installed.

He specifically told me to establish the TPS end points when you change fuel trim or map selection switches, or change the idle level on the motorcycle.

So we always do it.

I’m not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just the first time hearing it. After thinking about this, realized that the Yosh motors were all carbureted and same with the 2-strokes, so they were irrelevant anyways.
But now I’m curious where mine is at on my current bikes.
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Brent wrote:
Don't know what to tell ya. It's in the Vortex installation sheet and on their website I think. I met with Chad's programmer at XPR when...
Don't know what to tell ya.

It's in the Vortex installation sheet and on their website I think.

I met with Chad's programmer at XPR when we first had these done last year, because we had a special map installed.

He specifically told me to establish the TPS end points when you change fuel trim or map selection switches, or change the idle level on the motorcycle.

So we always do it.

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I’m not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just the first time hearing it. After thinking about this, realized that the Yosh motors were all carbureted and...
I’m not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just the first time hearing it. After thinking about this, realized that the Yosh motors were all carbureted and same with the 2-strokes, so they were irrelevant anyways.
But now I’m curious where mine is at on my current bikes.
There is a twisted d video somewhere where he shows its key for setup.

Hold down stop button then crack start button. Then open throttle wide open, hold down stop and press start.

Calibrates tps.

Ps, your sx didn't have tps, but it is a lot faster now I've chucked the lectron 😉

Luv ya bud!
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You don’t actually touch the TPS, as per the video on Twisted”s site. You just hold kill button & hit start button for 1 second, with throttle closed. then hold kill button,hold throttle wide open & hit start button again for 1 second, and that sets the TPS parameters…

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Bruce372 5/4/2022 5:29pm
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Btw, a fc450 with vortez is way too fast.
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T-Fish 5/4/2022 5:44pm
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Brent wrote:
Answers - 1. Yes. any time you change the parameters of the Vortex you have to confirm using the TPS protocol as described in the Vortex...
Answers -

1. Yes. any time you change the parameters of the Vortex you have to confirm using the TPS protocol as described in the Vortex instructions.

2. Yes, TC still works as normal using the OEM map switch.

3. Map selection is a personal choice - It depends on who programmed the maps into the ECU for what purpose.

It is also important to make sure your bike is not running too rich or lean, using the three fuel trim screws on the ECU.

We raced our 2022 250 SXF at the last National round at Hangtown using standard fuel trim, and then our motor builder told us that the bike was running way too lean using race fuel. Standard trim is the # 5 setting, but be prepared to go richer if you are running race fuel, or if you have a power flow air filter installed.

Each click of the screw upwards from the zero trim setting richens the bottom, mid, or top end by 2.5 percent.

Tuning these ECU's to suit the rider is the biggest performance tool you can ever have for the bike. Take a day and run through the maps and ride the bike to see how it feels, you won't regret it.



T-Fish wrote:
My TC button is map #3 on the Vortex, not operating the same as stock.
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I guess it can be programmed that way. What is your map 2 ? Do you know who did your maps? That is a pretty cool...
I guess it can be programmed that way.

What is your map 2 ?
Do you know who did your maps? That is a pretty cool option if you have 3 maps available at the stock map switch..

KTM right?
Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course I send it in).

Map 2 on the handlebars is whichever map on the X10 that I choose.

Map 3 on the handlebars is the “test” map (X10 position 3). It’s a different ignition curve to test with. That map, when on, overrides the other two maps.

Jamie Ellis/Twisted Development mapped it. He explained this stuff to me via email. I had to go back and look because I forgot everything. lol.
Langhammx 5/4/2022 5:54pm
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Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course...
Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course I send it in).

Map 2 on the handlebars is whichever map on the X10 that I choose.

Map 3 on the handlebars is the “test” map (X10 position 3). It’s a different ignition curve to test with. That map, when on, overrides the other two maps.

Jamie Ellis/Twisted Development mapped it. He explained this stuff to me via email. I had to go back and look because I forgot everything. lol.
You lost me on “Map 3 on the handle bars” Blink
Langhammx 5/4/2022 6:01pm
5/4/2022 6:01pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2022 6:02pm
Bruce372 wrote:
There is a twisted d video somewhere where he shows its key for setup. Hold down stop button then crack start button. Then open throttle wide...
There is a twisted d video somewhere where he shows its key for setup.

Hold down stop button then crack start button. Then open throttle wide open, hold down stop and press start.

Calibrates tps.

Ps, your sx didn't have tps, but it is a lot faster now I've chucked the lectron 😉

Luv ya bud!
Ok, this is not what I was thinking of. I’ve had to adjust my TPS on a couple of my EXC500’s (nothing to do with the vortex) in the past, because there was some that were sent out with incorrect settings. (I have 2 different TPS tools with different plugs on them)
Calibrating the TPS is still new to me, but I’m going out to the garage right now to “calibrate” mine.
Interested if it changes anything or if mine is in calibrated now.

* A buddy of mine just swapped his Lectron out with the new BILLETRON version and it really woke up the bottom end and had a nice crispness to it.
I still liked the Lectron over that stock carb, but it did rob a little bottom.
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Brent 5/4/2022 6:15pm
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T-Fish wrote:
My TC button is map #3 on the Vortex, not operating the same as stock.
Brent wrote:
I guess it can be programmed that way. What is your map 2 ? Do you know who did your maps? That is a pretty cool...
I guess it can be programmed that way.

What is your map 2 ?
Do you know who did your maps? That is a pretty cool option if you have 3 maps available at the stock map switch..

KTM right?
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Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course...
Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course I send it in).

Map 2 on the handlebars is whichever map on the X10 that I choose.

Map 3 on the handlebars is the “test” map (X10 position 3). It’s a different ignition curve to test with. That map, when on, overrides the other two maps.

Jamie Ellis/Twisted Development mapped it. He explained this stuff to me via email. I had to go back and look because I forgot everything. lol.
That is very cool.

So he re purposed the TC to access a third map, very interesting!
Thank you for the info.
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T-Fish 5/4/2022 6:59pm
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Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course...
Map 1 on the handlebars is the “power” map (X10 position 1), the one that makes the most power. That can’t be changed (unless of course I send it in).

Map 2 on the handlebars is whichever map on the X10 that I choose.

Map 3 on the handlebars is the “test” map (X10 position 3). It’s a different ignition curve to test with. That map, when on, overrides the other two maps.

Jamie Ellis/Twisted Development mapped it. He explained this stuff to me via email. I had to go back and look because I forgot everything. lol.
Langhammx wrote:
You lost me on “Map 3 on the handle bars” Blink
TC, sorry.
Langhammx 5/4/2022 7:03pm
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TC, sorry.
I’ve yet to mess with traction control, does this act as a different map, along with the TC ? I haven’t put much thought into trying that TC, since I’m not racing.

* EDIT-
I just saw Brent’s post about the same thing. Curious to know details
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Langhammx 5/4/2022 7:26pm
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T-Fish wrote:
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I can see him w you had to go back and read it again . Lol
I appreciate you sharing that, I obviously didn’t pay enough attention when I’ve had mine mapped.
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T-Fish 5/4/2022 8:18pm
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I certainly had a lot of questions for him. I’m glad he took the time to spell things out for me. The end result of his mapping is incredible.

I’m fairly certain what I ended up doing was setting Map 2 as the weakest map (position 9). I’ll start my moto in Map 1, and switch it to Map 2 once the moto starts to settle a bit and I don’t need the power.
Langhammx 5/4/2022 9:15pm
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T-Fish wrote:
I certainly had a lot of questions for him. I’m glad he took the time to spell things out for me. The end result of his...
I certainly had a lot of questions for him. I’m glad he took the time to spell things out for me. The end result of his mapping is incredible.

I’m fairly certain what I ended up doing was setting Map 2 as the weakest map (position 9). I’ll start my moto in Map 1, and switch it to Map 2 once the moto starts to settle a bit and I don’t need the power.
I agree, he mapped mine as well. I gotta dog mine out and revisit the maps.
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Rider 5280 11/22/2024 7:38am
11/22/2024 7:38am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2024 1:10pm

Glad I ran across this thread!

I have to admit, when I saw "Calibrate the TPS..." on the Twisted Development map spec sheets, I immediately envisioned (and dreaded) getting my multimeter out and messing with some physical settings on the throttle body while resetting the TPS, so I said "NOPE - NOT TODAY - GO RIDE & SEE WHAT HAPPENS!" ... and my bikes ran really well, so I forgot about the calibration step altogether.

My fears were totally overblown. Totally.

Here is XPR's simple video on this important process:
https://youtu.be/DUoAuminyw8?feature=shared

Too easy to ignore!

 

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Do you guys know if this is the same deal for Kawasaki black,green,white couplers?

Does that affect the way in which I would 'tune' the vortex ?

Currently have the white coupler in,vortex set on 5,5,5 1 and I just won't start...and when it does,it's all over the place.

When I rev it,the rev 'carry's' on longer? 
Where do I go? Lean it out?

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OuTBoReD wrote:
Do you guys know if this is the same deal for Kawasaki black,green,white couplers?Does that affect the way in which I would 'tune' the vortex ?Currently...

Do you guys know if this is the same deal for Kawasaki black,green,white couplers?

Does that affect the way in which I would 'tune' the vortex ?

Currently have the white coupler in,vortex set on 5,5,5 1 and I just won't start...and when it does,it's all over the place.

When I rev it,the rev 'carry's' on longer? 
Where do I go? Lean it out?

I think the vortex eliminates the couplers. Does your bike start and run fine with the stock ecu? Then plug in the vortex and this happens? Are you setting the TPS parameters? go back a few pages in this post and there are links to videos of the procedure. That kind of sounds like you may have something else going on... make sure your clamps on the throttle body are tight. make sure you have proper free play in throttle cables. You'll likely have to adjust the idle with your vortex... i think the kawi is stilll all adjusted through the choke knob... If you're still stuck, check your throttle body, make sure the cables are oriented correctly, make sure the wheel stop bolt/nut are tight and not holding the wheel/butterfly open slightly...  

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OuTBoReD 11/26/2024 7:40pm
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OuTBoReD wrote:
Do you guys know if this is the same deal for Kawasaki black,green,white couplers?Does that affect the way in which I would 'tune' the vortex ?Currently...

Do you guys know if this is the same deal for Kawasaki black,green,white couplers?

Does that affect the way in which I would 'tune' the vortex ?

Currently have the white coupler in,vortex set on 5,5,5 1 and I just won't start...and when it does,it's all over the place.

When I rev it,the rev 'carry's' on longer? 
Where do I go? Lean it out?

Donk122 wrote:
I think the vortex eliminates the couplers. Does your bike start and run fine with the stock ecu? Then plug in the vortex and this happens...

I think the vortex eliminates the couplers. Does your bike start and run fine with the stock ecu? Then plug in the vortex and this happens? Are you setting the TPS parameters? go back a few pages in this post and there are links to videos of the procedure. That kind of sounds like you may have something else going on... make sure your clamps on the throttle body are tight. make sure you have proper free play in throttle cables. You'll likely have to adjust the idle with your vortex... i think the kawi is stilll all adjusted through the choke knob... If you're still stuck, check your throttle body, make sure the cables are oriented correctly, make sure the wheel stop bolt/nut are tight and not holding the wheel/butterfly open slightly...  

Cooy that.i actually made it tighter to help it start but had it all on 7 and it was starting good...but i dont know if thats what I should be doing.

Admittedly haven't run through all maps on 555 as im only interested in 1...

6,7 are listen rhe same but is there a difference?...

Loosing it with this thing 

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