Kicking Off Campaign For Ricky Carmichael To Be Installed As 2022 Motocross Des Nations Manager And Coach. Need Your Help.

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Sully wrote:
Hell, Rup, if the basis of your argument for having RC is MX/SX c-ships [i]and[/i] des Nations wins, then I'd say Wardy would be the most...
Hell, Rup, if the basis of your argument for having RC is MX/SX c-ships and des Nations wins, then I'd say Wardy would be the most logical choice. 125/250/500 MX c-ships, SX c-ship, and seven Moto/Trophee des nations wins.
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Hells yeah, Wardy would work. As would the incredible RJ, David Bailey or Johnny O. I’m sticking with RC because I think he’s more familiar to...
Hells yeah, Wardy would work. As would the incredible RJ, David Bailey or Johnny O. I’m sticking with RC because I think he’s more familiar to the current riders and more involved with the sport, still……* I never imagined things would get so argumentative, I just feel it’s time for a change and Ricky is my best choice to lead the charge.
I’m with Rupe. Time for a change. Roger has run his course as MXDN team manager, no disrespect, but it’s time for a new voice, face, smile, encouragement, etc. etc. of a team manager. Little things count as a team leader. No more 5ths!
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4/26/2022 7:24pm
It will be Steve Lamson.
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I love your posts rup and everything you bring to this site but the manager is not the problem. It’s the line up…
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Classic case of letting a guy keep his job because of what he did 20 years ago instead of his current performance
Has Tomac ever won a desNations? You're gonna still want him on the team though.... Classic case of gotta blame someone.
We’ll see here’s where you’re wrong, Eli is currently winning races. Terrible strawman.
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Change is good, and I agree it is needed in this case, and Roger would be gracious in the transfer I'm sure.

I'm a long time fan of Decoster and his contributions to the sport speak for themselves, I can't get those of you that are ripping him.

RC wouldn't be my first pick


I like the RJ option. Stanton would be good. Both serious men and would be taken seriously by the team.

I don't like RC for the job for the same reason RupertX likes him. Too familiar with the current crop.

No offense Mr. Pellett. You're a fine human being, your beer fueled adventures are legend and your photo drops are unequalled, your being a member here is greatly needed and appreciated. Thanks for starting the conversation.

It'd be great to start contending for these again however that can't happen until we decide we want it.

A new team manager is a start.
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I think we need more than a team manager. I used to want Mitch but he seems to have lost some control over his own team as of the last few years. I think a bigger problem is the euros have true works bikes. Today I was listening to the pulp show with TC222, this was the first time I have heard that teams literally change different frames for different tracks. We are at a huge disadvantage just from the bike perspective alone.
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I don’t remember the year but, decoster announced the mxdn team and rv2 was unhappy. When asked, rv2 commented “ funny it’s always been the current points leader in motocross ran the #1 plate at mxdn”. Instead it went on dungey’s ktm because decoster wanted a #1 ktm at mxdn. I always thought since then that decoster was unfit for the manager job.
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I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous..
A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed their rear wheels for the start and “we didn’t know you could do that” was poor management too.
Decoster has had an incredible run, but it’s time for a change.
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Classic case of letting a guy keep his job because of what he did 20 years ago instead of his current performance
Has Tomac ever won a desNations? You're gonna still want him on the team though.... Classic case of gotta blame someone.
We’ll see here’s where you’re wrong, Eli is currently winning races. Terrible strawman.
We want the guy with ZERO wins at the event in question, on the team, but not the manager with more results than anyone alive.... Is that not exactly what people are proposing?
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4/26/2022 10:19pm
The reason why America isn't doing so great is because you haven't had the riders or sent the right ones to do it, it seems in recent years the top guys don't want to do or are told not do it.
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Id love to see Mitch Payton be the Team Manager for USA
A recipe for winning, lol...
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Sorry Rupert, but when I read "Starts at the top, no more fifth places", I think in this matter, it means the best american racers actually wanting to race MXDN. And even a great motivation speech by any team manager just won't get you that.
The US are just not as dominant over the outdoor MX world as they once were...
You'll need more than parking RdC.
Who actually deserves better than being kicked out by an angry mob of villagers, btw...
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I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous.. A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed...
I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous..
A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed their rear wheels for the start and “we didn’t know you could do that” was poor management too.
Decoster has had an incredible run, but it’s time for a change.
Not the best "team building" strategy, that's for sure.
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4/27/2022 4:29am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2022 4:29am
Speaking of MXdN.

What was the meaning of the term 'Team Fried'?

Was it an acronym of some sort?
A lame joke?

Thanks!
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4/27/2022 6:55am
I don't think the Manager is the problem. I have massive respect for RDC for what he has achieved and continues to do for the KTM team, and also to RC for what he has accomplished and the level he has elevated the sport too. BUT, Once the gate drops, neither can do anything at that point.

I don't exactly know the reasons why some riders are allowed to go and represent, whether its Teams, Sponsors, whatever, until that is resolved, and a nation can send the three best riders to compete at a given circuit, then that is going to be the downfall. If the event is held on a sand circuit and the national champ had bad rounds at events in the sand, he rightly would possibly be overlooked for a spot on the team.

The tracks in the US are all groomed to perfection, and hats off to the event organisers for that preparation, but the MXGP tracks aren't given the same level of grooming as the event goes on and the track degrades into what is raced on and that gives the GP riders more experience at riding when the surface isn't in prime condition.

One of the comments earlier in the thread was about the US riders not having enough time to prepare, Hell, they have just finished 4-5 months of the national series, where they are going to be about as prepared as they will ever be. Bike set-up will be about as good as it will be as they would have had a national on something similar, and this year at the very same track, so you guys would technically have an advantage. But, if the weather throws its wildcard and turns it into a mudder, the GP regulars would be more familiar and used to riding in that.

The bottom line is the riders who are chosen, must also want to be there. They must want to ride in whatever conditions are that day, (Which are the same for everyone) and must want to be standing on the top step lifting the Chamberlain Trophy. If your elected riders are already thinking about heading off for a short break before SX testing, then your not going to get the drive to push on when the going gets tough and the conditions are not the ideal that you are used to.
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4/27/2022 7:40am
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I don't even get it, what does a manager actually do? I mean the riders are going to train the same way that got them to...
I don't even get it, what does a manager actually do? I mean the riders are going to train the same way that got them to the level they're at to get picked, its not like they're running plays and the manager is a coach like the pro bowl.. So other than pick the riders what does the manager actually do? And picking riders seems easy enough, start with the best 3 available guys and work your way down the line as they say no.
How about getting all 3 riders in the same semi. And talking together, strategising lines and such. If Eli goes, he pits with Yamaha, if Sexton goes, he pits with Honda. How about some team atmosphere and cooperation. Isn't that what the Manager is suppose to do ? Get everyone working as a team and hyped up ?
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France has a much more structured team approach and they have pretty much dominated the last 10 years.

The GP guys have been better, but it’s not like they have been 10 seconds faster a lap than our guys. It’s not like we are sending B class kids over. They are all professional racers and are close enough in speed that a little bit of strategy can make a difference.
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I really don’t understand the “the GP guys are just faster, nothing we can do” crowd. We haven’t won this event in 12 years, why are we not completely blowing up the current model and trying new things to win? Why are some ok with just sucking and hoping some luck swings our way? I don’t get it. Let’s try to win this fucker.
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I don't think the Manager is the problem. I have massive respect for RDC for what he has achieved and continues to do for the KTM...
I don't think the Manager is the problem. I have massive respect for RDC for what he has achieved and continues to do for the KTM team, and also to RC for what he has accomplished and the level he has elevated the sport too. BUT, Once the gate drops, neither can do anything at that point.

I don't exactly know the reasons why some riders are allowed to go and represent, whether its Teams, Sponsors, whatever, until that is resolved, and a nation can send the three best riders to compete at a given circuit, then that is going to be the downfall. If the event is held on a sand circuit and the national champ had bad rounds at events in the sand, he rightly would possibly be overlooked for a spot on the team.

The tracks in the US are all groomed to perfection, and hats off to the event organisers for that preparation, but the MXGP tracks aren't given the same level of grooming as the event goes on and the track degrades into what is raced on and that gives the GP riders more experience at riding when the surface isn't in prime condition.

One of the comments earlier in the thread was about the US riders not having enough time to prepare, Hell, they have just finished 4-5 months of the national series, where they are going to be about as prepared as they will ever be. Bike set-up will be about as good as it will be as they would have had a national on something similar, and this year at the very same track, so you guys would technically have an advantage. But, if the weather throws its wildcard and turns it into a mudder, the GP regulars would be more familiar and used to riding in that.

The bottom line is the riders who are chosen, must also want to be there. They must want to ride in whatever conditions are that day, (Which are the same for everyone) and must want to be standing on the top step lifting the Chamberlain Trophy. If your elected riders are already thinking about heading off for a short break before SX testing, then your not going to get the drive to push on when the going gets tough and the conditions are not the ideal that you are used to.
I was responding to a post where it was said a new manager would change things and have the riders prepare for the event . I was trying to say in my response there is no time to change the way they prep unless you pulled them out of the Nationals which just so happens to be what they are paid to do. Ofcourse we all want to see our team win but in reality what could be changed prior to the race when there is no time to do so? Obviously scheduling is another part of the ENORMOUS challenge the teams and riders must over come to win this event!
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Anyone that wants Roger to keep managing into his 80s is a foreign asset that wants USA to keep losing. Roger had a good run. But...
Anyone that wants Roger to keep managing into his 80s is a foreign asset that wants USA to keep losing.

Roger had a good run. But he is old and out of touch. Send in some new blood.
What is Roger out of touch with?… he doesn’t understand the new generation and their video games? Is it Twitter that he’s out of touch with? Or is it the MXDN process that he’s out of touch with?
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4/27/2022 8:07am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2022 8:09am
On purely the issue of speed: The GP riders are generally able to better handle a greater range of conditions (though not all) than their AMA counterparts, and have noticeably stepped up their game over the last couple of decades. However I think too much is being made by some of the difference in speed. I mean it's not as if team USA hasn't had moto/class wins and come within a whisker of winning it on a couple of occasions. So I would hardly call it 'having your ass handed to you'.

The truth is the GP riders have always been very fast (yes, even back in the 90s), capable of standout performances individually but unable to win as a team. This was exhaustively pointed out time and time again on forums like this throughout the 00s but more often than not fell on death ears with many American fans and journalists/publications. But it's as true now as it was then - that being that the MXDN is at heart a team event.

In the 90s Belgium had a small run of victories, more recently it's been France and at times the Dutch. Every now and then the stars align for these smaller countries, and they certainly will again (imo this year - especially if it doesn't rain) for team USA. And sooner or later, even with zero change, that'll also be followed by yet another streak of victories. But it'll probably never be quite as easy as it was due the aforementioned (and other) issues of racing today.
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4/27/2022 8:16am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2022 8:18am
RC as team manger would be super cool. When he came over & smoked everts on his home soil, on a 250 2 stroke that was something to behold.

The issue with team USA thou isn’t that, it’s the fact that the MXON is the only time of the year US elite riders step up to proper international racing conditions.

It’s always going to be an immediate disadvantage for team USA.

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Why can't Roger stay in his position but we also send someone like RC or RJ to actually handled the daily ops?

Much like KTM is doing with Roger and Ian right now.
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4/27/2022 8:23am
Rup, I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish here, and I agree 100%. It's time to get the team under a completely "neutral tent". Get Ricky, and all the bikes working out of an independent truck, and get to work...
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I would like to see Ricky and Mitch Payton co-manage the team. I think they both have a ton of insight into the race. Ricky would be a great team coach and Mitch would be great for the logistics of it all.
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4/27/2022 8:35am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2022 8:39am
Motoxdoc wrote:
What is Roger out of touch with?… he doesn’t understand the new generation and their video games? Is it Twitter that he’s out of touch with...
What is Roger out of touch with?… he doesn’t understand the new generation and their video games? Is it Twitter that he’s out of touch with? Or is it the MXDN process that he’s out of touch with?
I'm not going to go so far as to say Roger is out of touch, that isn't true. But who do you think is more revered by this generation of riders, RDC or RC? If a rider was on the fence, who do you think would be more likely to sell them on racing? If the team is going to be expected to do some pre-race training, or if the size of their posse is going to be cut, or if they're required to be under one tent at the race - who would they rather hear that from? I think RC would be more influential with the riders and the manufacturers, I think he would be a bulldog, and I think he'd fire up the team.

To guys our age Roger is and will always be "The Man". To the younger generation he's just the guy in charge over at KTM. They'd rather be pushed by RC or MC.

I say give Roger a permanent honor, name the team after him or something. Then bring in new blood to reinvigorate the industry's interest in the MXdN.
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4/27/2022 8:51am
Rupert X wrote:
Look man, I fully realize that this MEGA event is still over five months away, but I also am fully aware that if there is inaction...
Look man, I fully realize that this MEGA event is still over five months away, but I also am fully aware that if there is inaction on our part, nothing will change and we will, most likely, once again experience mediocre results. That’s why I’d like to get a jump on the process and the inevitable “this is the way we’ve always done it” bullshit. No more fifth places.
Replacing The Man with RC in the hopes of affecting this year's MXoN falls under the heading of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Team USA needs five years not five months to have a shot at a MXoN victory again.
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Rupert X wrote:
Look man, I fully realize that this MEGA event is still over five months away, but I also am fully aware that if there is inaction...
Look man, I fully realize that this MEGA event is still over five months away, but I also am fully aware that if there is inaction on our part, nothing will change and we will, most likely, once again experience mediocre results. That’s why I’d like to get a jump on the process and the inevitable “this is the way we’ve always done it” bullshit. No more fifth places.
Replacing The Man with RC in the hopes of affecting this year's MXoN falls under the heading of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Team...
Replacing The Man with RC in the hopes of affecting this year's MXoN falls under the heading of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Team USA needs five years not five months to have a shot at a MXoN victory again.
I disagree. You're gonna see a different Tomac at this year's event. Regardless of who the manager is. If he's healthy, he'll win both his motos.
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I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous.. A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed...
I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous..
A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed their rear wheels for the start and “we didn’t know you could do that” was poor management too.
Decoster has had an incredible run, but it’s time for a change.
Jesus is that really the case?! Your the second poster to say that or else I wouldn't believe it. Aren't we "Team USA?" What the heck
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I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous.. A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed...
I think that the team doesn’t pit together is ridiculous..
A couple years back when it was muddy and all the other teams except us changed their rear wheels for the start and “we didn’t know you could do that” was poor management too.
Decoster has had an incredible run, but it’s time for a change.
Jesus is that really the case?! Your the second poster to say that or else I wouldn't believe it. Aren't we "Team USA?" What the heck
Dude, at Red Bud 18 the Kawi guys literally had their own headsets. Literally no communication with the rest of the team. It’s toxic and needs to be ripped down to the studs and rebuilt.
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