Should Leaded Race Gas be Banned at the Races?

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Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found that leaded gas was banned for public use in the mid 90s due to health-related issues that were caused by the burning of lead. This included lead poisoning, which causes you to loose IQ points, develop brain-related disabilities, and overall reduces your lifespan. Lead was even attributed to increased crime rates in America. These were all reasons that leaded fuel was banned for road cars 26 years ago.

Now, leaded gas is only used in aviation and motorsports, which got me thinking. Do we really want our children (as well as ourselves) to be exposed to lead at the races? Are we really prioritizing 2 or 3 more horsepower in our bikes over the health of our family? I feel like leaded race gas should be banned in all motocross races, and especially arenacross races since the leaded fumes are more concentrated in stadiums. The only reason planes use it is because no other effective jet fuel has been developed that doesn't use lead. The motorsport industry is the only industry that willing uses leaded gas. Why is it that general public refuses to use leaded fuel, except us? I think we should change this. For Christ's sake, even NASCAR banned leaded fuels in 2008 due to lead poisoning at their races. There was even a few studies that showed kids who attended NASCAR races before leaded fuel was banned performed worse on school tests for a few days to weeks after being exposed to lead fumes at the races. It was estimated that over 4000 people had died due to being exposed to lead at NASCAR races.
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Stay home then.

You’re talking about racing motorcycles and you’re scared of the fumes of fuel that maybe 10% of people at the track run?
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Rickyisms wrote:
Stay home then.

You’re talking about racing motorcycles and you’re scared of the fumes of fuel that maybe 10% of people at the track run?
But what about the children Grinning Grinning Grinning
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"Now, leaded gas is only used in aviation and motorsports..."

What do you think motocross racing is?
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Jason P. wrote:
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found...
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found that leaded gas was banned for public use in the mid 90s due to health-related issues that were caused by the burning of lead. This included lead poisoning, which causes you to loose IQ points, develop brain-related disabilities, and overall reduces your lifespan. Lead was even attributed to increased crime rates in America. These were all reasons that leaded fuel was banned for road cars 26 years ago.

Now, leaded gas is only used in aviation and motorsports, which got me thinking. Do we really want our children (as well as ourselves) to be exposed to lead at the races? Are we really prioritizing 2 or 3 more horsepower in our bikes over the health of our family? I feel like leaded race gas should be banned in all motocross races, and especially arenacross races since the leaded fumes are more concentrated in stadiums. The only reason planes use it is because no other effective jet fuel has been developed that doesn't use lead. The motorsport industry is the only industry that willing uses leaded gas. Why is it that general public refuses to use leaded fuel, except us? I think we should change this. For Christ's sake, even NASCAR banned leaded fuels in 2008 due to lead poisoning at their races. There was even a few studies that showed kids who attended NASCAR races before leaded fuel was banned performed worse on school tests for a few days to weeks after being exposed to lead fumes at the races. It was estimated that over 4000 people had died due to being exposed to lead at NASCAR races.
You really want to have an intelligent discussion with people that expose themselves to intelligence lowering chemicals on a regular basis?
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What's the difference between tight and loose IQ points?
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4/23/2022 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 3:28pm
Jason P. wrote:
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found...
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found that leaded gas was banned for public use in the mid 90s due to health-related issues that were caused by the burning of lead. This included lead poisoning, which causes you to loose IQ points, develop brain-related disabilities, and overall reduces your lifespan. Lead was even attributed to increased crime rates in America. These were all reasons that leaded fuel was banned for road cars 26 years ago.

Now, leaded gas is only used in aviation and motorsports, which got me thinking. Do we really want our children (as well as ourselves) to be exposed to lead at the races? Are we really prioritizing 2 or 3 more horsepower in our bikes over the health of our family? I feel like leaded race gas should be banned in all motocross races, and especially arenacross races since the leaded fumes are more concentrated in stadiums. The only reason planes use it is because no other effective jet fuel has been developed that doesn't use lead. The motorsport industry is the only industry that willing uses leaded gas. Why is it that general public refuses to use leaded fuel, except us? I think we should change this. For Christ's sake, even NASCAR banned leaded fuels in 2008 due to lead poisoning at their races. There was even a few studies that showed kids who attended NASCAR races before leaded fuel was banned performed worse on school tests for a few days to weeks after being exposed to lead fumes at the races. It was estimated that over 4000 people had died due to being exposed to lead at NASCAR races.
Bruce372 wrote:
You really want to have an intelligent discussion with people that expose themselves to intelligence lowering chemicals on a regular basis?
LOL. All jokes aside, I think its a relevant conversation to have. Even NASCAR banned leaded fuels due to reports that kids who attended NASCAR races developed lead poisoning. I feel like a sport such as motocross, which is dominated by youngsters should be more regulated in terms of lead exposure since lead affects the child's brain a lot more than adult brains.
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Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
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ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
Thread.
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4/23/2022 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 3:48pm
ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
I was talking about races that are not AMA sanctioned, such as local races and arenacross (where children are participating in the races).
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Jason P. wrote:
I was talking about races that are not AMA sanctioned, such as local races and arenacross (where children are participating in the races).
Go make the beds Nanny
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ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
Leaded fuel hasn’t been allowed in Aussie MX since 2001, much to the detriment of 2t motors. US changed about the same time if I’m not mistaken?
Who can forget the failed fuel test penalty dramas involving RC etc. A title result hinged on it.
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4/23/2022 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 4:03pm
I don't get why I'm being downvoted so much. Is it really that difficult to accept that the negligible difference in race gas and pump gas is not worth the dangers of leaded fumes? If you disagree, why don't you post your opinions in the thread instead of downvoting without an explanation?
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I weep for mankind...
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Jason P. wrote:
I don't get why I'm being downvoted so much. Is it really that difficult to accept that the negligible difference in race gas and pump gas...
I don't get why I'm being downvoted so much. Is it really that difficult to accept that the negligible difference in race gas and pump gas is not worth the dangers of leaded fumes? If you disagree, why don't you post your opinions in the thread instead of downvoting without an explanation?
Ever looked at the known carcinogens in unleaded fuels? Yes lead is bad, there’s poisonous stuff everywhere. Worrying about them and not enjoying life will likely kill you faster though.
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ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
Jason P. wrote:
I was talking about races that are not AMA sanctioned, such as local races and arenacross (where children are participating in the races).
You need to quit thinking because your brain is not set up for rational thoughts.
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Explains why I’m such a moran 😂
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4/23/2022 4:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 4:15pm
ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
Jason P. wrote:
I was talking about races that are not AMA sanctioned, such as local races and arenacross (where children are participating in the races).
lostboy819 wrote:
You need to quit thinking because your brain is not set up for rational thoughts.
Care to explain what I said that was irrational?
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Jason P. wrote:
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found...
Hey y'all, I was recently thinking about the fact that almost all high octane race gas uses lead. I began to do some research, and found that leaded gas was banned for public use in the mid 90s due to health-related issues that were caused by the burning of lead. This included lead poisoning, which causes you to loose IQ points, develop brain-related disabilities, and overall reduces your lifespan. Lead was even attributed to increased crime rates in America. These were all reasons that leaded fuel was banned for road cars 26 years ago.

Now, leaded gas is only used in aviation and motorsports, which got me thinking. Do we really want our children (as well as ourselves) to be exposed to lead at the races? Are we really prioritizing 2 or 3 more horsepower in our bikes over the health of our family? I feel like leaded race gas should be banned in all motocross races, and especially arenacross races since the leaded fumes are more concentrated in stadiums. The only reason planes use it is because no other effective jet fuel has been developed that doesn't use lead. The motorsport industry is the only industry that willing uses leaded gas. Why is it that general public refuses to use leaded fuel, except us? I think we should change this. For Christ's sake, even NASCAR banned leaded fuels in 2008 due to lead poisoning at their races. There was even a few studies that showed kids who attended NASCAR races before leaded fuel was banned performed worse on school tests for a few days to weeks after being exposed to lead fumes at the races. It was estimated that over 4000 people had died due to being exposed to lead at NASCAR races.
Why not?


No need to run leaded fuel so why not?
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Jason P. wrote:
I was talking about races that are not AMA sanctioned, such as local races and arenacross (where children are participating in the races).
lostboy819 wrote:
You need to quit thinking because your brain is not set up for rational thoughts.
Jason P. wrote:
Care to explain what I said that was irrational?
Do you even know why there WAS lead in fuel in the past. I don't even know of anyone running leaded race fuel in modern MX bikes as its not needed and lead does not increase power. Go do some research on lead and fuel in general and at least gain a small amount of knowledge or fuels and race fuels etc. You should educate yourself just a small amount before making posts like these.
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4/23/2022 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 4:24pm
Would I be correct in assuming you watched the latest Veritasium video on YouTube?

https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA
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ML512 wrote:
Leaded fuel isn’t allowed at AMA Pro Nationals or AMA Supercross…
Yeah, I thought that was the whole basis for the RC FuelGate fiasco in 2006 SX. No lead allowed, even .0000134 (or some such infinitesimal amount).
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ADynes wrote:
Would I be correct in assuming you watched the latest Veritasium video on YouTube? https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA
Would I be correct in assuming you watched the latest Veritasium video on YouTube?

https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA
You'd be correct!
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Jason P. wrote:
I don't get why I'm being downvoted so much. Is it really that difficult to accept that the negligible difference in race gas and pump gas...
I don't get why I'm being downvoted so much. Is it really that difficult to accept that the negligible difference in race gas and pump gas is not worth the dangers of leaded fumes? If you disagree, why don't you post your opinions in the thread instead of downvoting without an explanation?
Are you the same guy that got the local health department / air quality control fussbudgets involved after you felt poorly at a SX race?
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4/23/2022 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2022 4:30pm
lostboy819 wrote:
You need to quit thinking because your brain is not set up for rational thoughts.
Jason P. wrote:
Care to explain what I said that was irrational?
lostboy819 wrote:
Do you even know why there WAS lead in fuel in the past. I don't even know of anyone running leaded race fuel in modern MX...
Do you even know why there WAS lead in fuel in the past. I don't even know of anyone running leaded race fuel in modern MX bikes as its not needed and lead does not increase power. Go do some research on lead and fuel in general and at least gain a small amount of knowledge or fuels and race fuels etc. You should educate yourself just a small amount before making posts like these.
Why do you assume I'm uneducated? I know that lead was used as a cheap way to increase the octane of low quality fuels in the 50s and 60s. There's no need for it now, which is why it was banned. But companies like VP and Suncor still sell leaded race fuels for suckers who don't know the adverse effects of to use in their child's mini bike.
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4/23/2022 4:30pm
No need to ban race gas in bike as we will be all Electric soon.
Although, banning leaded race gas in Generators is a whole new issue.
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4/23/2022 4:31pm
It’s worth burning some brain cells to get a whiff of that C12 and 927 coming out of the 125 every so often.
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After reading the comments on this thread, I've just come to the conclusion that the people on Vital MX forums have probably inhaled a little too much lead LOL.
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Let's just hurry up and get it over with. We will be extinct at some point. Quicker the better. Let er rip!
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Jason P. wrote:
After reading the comments on this thread, I've just come to the conclusion that the people on Vital MX forums have probably inhaled a little too...
After reading the comments on this thread, I've just come to the conclusion that the people on Vital MX forums have probably inhaled a little too much lead LOL.
I think you fit perfectly into that category. This thread is proof
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