Can we get a top US racer to MXGP?

INeedaNewUsername 4/20/2022 6:31am
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INeedaNewUsername wrote:
You could be that guy with the least insightful and unoriginal post in the thread. And to add.... it is a GP/MX conversation, not suoercross. Try...
You could be that guy with the least insightful and unoriginal post in the thread. And to add.... it is a GP/MX conversation, not suoercross. Try comprehension next time before a dumb response.
aeffertz wrote:
While that response was a bit on the harsh side, Max is no where near being a top US contender indoors or out right now.
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of SuperArena Cross and being afraid of different countries and cultures, probably not. With the world becoming increasingly homogenised, I would hope someone goes for it.
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INeedaNewUsername wrote:
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of...
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of SuperArena Cross and being afraid of different countries and cultures, probably not. With the world becoming increasingly homogenised, I would hope someone goes for it.
Parental connections... Tallon left the GP-scene 24 years ago. I guess there's few connections left.
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INeedaNewUsername 4/20/2022 7:16am
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INeedaNewUsername wrote:
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of...
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of SuperArena Cross and being afraid of different countries and cultures, probably not. With the world becoming increasingly homogenised, I would hope someone goes for it.
DeStouwer wrote:
Parental connections... Tallon left the GP-scene 24 years ago. I guess there's few connections left.
Meaning experience and possible benefits, etc. How do you know who Tallon may or may not know anyway???
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Mit12 4/20/2022 7:42am
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Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
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"Many?" The rest of the World doesn't care about sx. So that "many" is actually the minority.
Ya that’s why Gaiser and Herlings both have talked about coming to the US to race SX. They both dropped the idea. I would bet money was a huge factor.
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Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for air travel. Even flying first class everywhere would eventually not be fun. Just think of going through security and customs to and from the locations around the world. Staying in hotels more than your own bed. Constantly having to get used to the local time and cuisine.

What if you get injured? Even when Weston Pieck was injured in Paris, which I would assume has excellent modern healthcare, it was a difficult experience for him with the language barrier and then having to fly 7-9 hours back home after he got out of the hospital.

I think the travel alone would be horrendous.

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ATKpilot99 4/20/2022 8:25am
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I hate to say it but I really don't think any of the top US riders care about being a world champion. I don't think they much care about the mxdn either sadly.
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crusty_xx 4/20/2022 8:29am
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Leave Us To wrote:
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How...
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How great it would be to get a Tomac, Anderson or Barcia over to MXGP for a season or two. I read where Barcia wants to move to Europe (or was it England?) ultimately so he'd might be the best prospect. Barcia is a great mud rider too.

After RV's MXGP mulligan, it's time the stars and stripes are represented again in MXGP.
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Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places...
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
Yeah idk, he did most of his GP prep in the US (not sure why). I wouldn't know that he put in a lot of time on practice tracks in Europe. First 3 races he did were Qatar, Argentina and Thailand, so not really a great representation of tracks in Europe. If it was that dangerous we wouldn't see 80% of the top guys line up for 20 GPs every year. If risk/danger was my concern I'd rather race GPs than Supercross. Deanos 3rd butthole doesnt sound fun
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snillum wrote:
Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for...
Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for air travel. Even flying first class everywhere would eventually not be fun. Just think of going through security and customs to and from the locations around the world. Staying in hotels more than your own bed. Constantly having to get used to the local time and cuisine.

What if you get injured? Even when Weston Pieck was injured in Paris, which I would assume has excellent modern healthcare, it was a difficult experience for him with the language barrier and then having to fly 7-9 hours back home after he got out of the hospital.

I think the travel alone would be horrendous.

I would bet there is less travel time overall racing the MXGP circuit than racing over here. Aside from the Argentina and Indonesia rounds, all the racing is concentrated within a fairly close geographical location. European countries are smaller than most US states, and are all connected with a robust train system. A 1-2 hour flight sounds much better than flying from florida to california constantly.
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Dirty Points 4/20/2022 11:23am
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Just looking at this empirically:
Defining "top", We've had 6 motocross AMA 450 Champions this decade.
4 of those have raced a full MXGP series.
One of the two remaining 450 champs (Tomac) has raced multiple MXGPs

I mean, we kinda get where it all generally stands with regard to these top guys, right?
UpTiTe 4/20/2022 11:59am
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
Where is that info posted? Salary,. Bonus. Etc?
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Probably because those teams already have top riders, just not the ones from here.
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
Doesn't really bode well for a world championship sx series does it ?
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UpTiTe 4/20/2022 12:27pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
mxb2 wrote:
Where is that info posted? Salary,. Bonus. Etc?
It’s not.
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crusty_xx wrote:
Yeah idk, he did most of his GP prep in the US (not sure why). I wouldn't know that he put in a lot of time...
Yeah idk, he did most of his GP prep in the US (not sure why). I wouldn't know that he put in a lot of time on practice tracks in Europe. First 3 races he did were Qatar, Argentina and Thailand, so not really a great representation of tracks in Europe. If it was that dangerous we wouldn't see 80% of the top guys line up for 20 GPs every year. If risk/danger was my concern I'd rather race GPs than Supercross. Deanos 3rd butthole doesnt sound fun
As far as i can remember he tested in Italy and Spain before the first GP and that’s about it. He and Rattray did all the training in US and that’s just a testament to that he was never really in to it, that’s why i would love to se a US top rider live and train in Belgium for a whole year, riding the Dutch championship on the off weekends like the rest of the MXGP guys does.
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UpTiTe 4/20/2022 12:30pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Doesn't really bode well for a world championship sx series does it ?
I think the World supercross series will be the pinnacle in 4-5 years.
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UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
mxb2 wrote:
Where is that info posted? Salary,. Bonus. Etc?
UpTiTe wrote:
It’s not.
Well post the info, if you have it. . We all. Can make up numbers. Might help clear alot of questions.
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UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Doesn't really bode well for a world championship sx series does it ?
UpTiTe wrote:
I think the World supercross series will be the pinnacle in 4-5 years.
You think it will bring in more fans outside of the US ? If so how ?
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UpTiTe wrote:
People need to get over this. MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good...
People need to get over this.

MXGP riders make as much as any US based rider. Their champion and race bonus money is just as good as supercross offers. They have a much higher tv viewership than supercross.

Supercross is the highest form of 2 wheel racing in America, not the world.
mxb2 wrote:
Where is that info posted? Salary,. Bonus. Etc?
UpTiTe wrote:
It’s not.
Then how do you know?
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Leave Us To wrote:
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How...
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How great it would be to get a Tomac, Anderson or Barcia over to MXGP for a season or two. I read where Barcia wants to move to Europe (or was it England?) ultimately so he'd might be the best prospect. Barcia is a great mud rider too.

After RV's MXGP mulligan, it's time the stars and stripes are represented again in MXGP.
No.
UpTiTe 4/20/2022 3:48pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Doesn't really bode well for a world championship sx series does it ?
UpTiTe wrote:
I think the World supercross series will be the pinnacle in 4-5 years.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You think it will bring in more fans outside of the US ? If so how ?
I think the way they are promoting it and bringing it to a world stage. I think the F-1 model will work much better than the way feld runs it.
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UpTiTe 4/20/2022 3:50pm
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mxb2 wrote:
Where is that info posted? Salary,. Bonus. Etc?
UpTiTe wrote:
It’s not.
Titan1 wrote:
Then how do you know?
I was told.
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UpTiTe wrote:
It’s not.
Titan1 wrote:
Then how do you know?
UpTiTe wrote:
I was told.
🙄 By who?
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UpTiTe 4/20/2022 4:23pm
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Titan1 wrote:
Then how do you know?
UpTiTe wrote:
I was told.
Titan1 wrote:
🙄 By who?
Jim Jones.
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Keep everything as is. Nobody saw Ferrandis whipping everyone's ass last year going into outdoors. It's cool having a stacked field and makes it more interesting.

It will be awesome to watch Tomac and Ferrandis go at it this summer. Also see if anyone can match the Star Yami. Maybe that new KTM chassis is killer outdoors? Who knows, I guess we'll find out.
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INeedaNewUsername wrote:
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of...
"Could"... he is still young and a factory rider with parental connections to the GPs. Will he or any other American on a steady diet of SuperArena Cross and being afraid of different countries and cultures, probably not. With the world becoming increasingly homogenised, I would hope someone goes for it.
DeStouwer wrote:
Parental connections... Tallon left the GP-scene 24 years ago. I guess there's few connections left.
INeedaNewUsername wrote:
Meaning experience and possible benefits, etc. How do you know who Tallon may or may not know anyway???
The same way like you know he maybe still knows some people...

Ofcourse Tallon has his history in the GP-scene, and ofcourse there will be some professional connections (mostly between the Red Bull KTM teams and the fact that Max raced the first EMX125 round of 2020), but there are not much people from the 90s GP-scene left. Also keep in mind that 125cc, 250cc and 500cc all had different venues back then.

The only people of the 250cc scene left in the paddock are Pit Beirer, Stefan Everts and some photographers and/or journalists like Archer and Haudiquert. And Luongo himself ofcourse...

Teamleaders of the 250cc 90s like Geboers, Rinaldi, Ricci, Grant,... are all retired or even left the sport. Jan de Groot, his teammanager from 1995-1996, passed away some years ago.

So, like I said, sure there will be professional connections between the teams in the US and in GP's, but I a lot of his old friends and acquaintances from back then are long gone in this scene.
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Dirty Points wrote:
Just looking at this empirically: Defining "top", We've had 6 motocross AMA 450 Champions this decade. 4 of those have raced a full MXGP series. One...
Just looking at this empirically:
Defining "top", We've had 6 motocross AMA 450 Champions this decade.
4 of those have raced a full MXGP series.
One of the two remaining 450 champs (Tomac) has raced multiple MXGPs

I mean, we kinda get where it all generally stands with regard to these top guys, right?
Can you help me out, I'm not very bright. I don't get what you're trying to say here at all?
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UpTiTe wrote:
I was told.
lostboy819 wrote:
Laughing Laughing
Yea. I was also. But its top secret lol. . yea. Mmmm. Ok.
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Rosso391 4/21/2022 5:14am
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Rosso391 wrote:
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places...
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
FerCzD wrote:
Honest question, have you ever been outside the USA?
Yes but not over to Europe. And I was highlighting what RV said. I wasn't just making it up. Those were his words, and I'll believe it.
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