School a young fella on CR500s

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3/20/2022 7:19pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s actually not a roomy bike at all ironically, the cockpit is pretty cramped for a taller guy (At least compared to modern bikes). I’m 6’0”...
It’s actually not a roomy bike at all ironically, the cockpit is pretty cramped for a taller guy (At least compared to modern bikes). I’m 6’0” and had to cut the spacer off the bottom of the foot pegs, then weld it to the top to drop them down about 10mm or so.

Also, if it’s as hard to start as some guys are making it out to be something isn’t right. You should be able to just turn the choke on, get it to top dead just like any other two stroke, and give it a smooth kick through to get it going. If the starting procedure takes 10 steps something isn’t quite right.
Broseph wrote:
Calling a CR500 a gentle giant, then saying a smooth kick from tdc will light it with no mention of bumping it past tdc… Sure you’re...
Calling a CR500 a gentle giant, then saying a smooth kick from tdc will light it with no mention of bumping it past tdc…

Sure you’re not thinking of a different bike?

I mean, yeah that’s how you start it, but if it’s got any compression at all, it’s not so much a smooth kick as it is jumping onto the kicker with everything you’ve got.

And gentle? Those things are never more than a few thousand rpm away from 60hp. It happens fast.

My experience was a bit different than yours I guess.

Ted722 wrote:
After 15 plus years of riding a 450, it's easier to say that (speaking for myself). Power on the later CR500's is perceived (more so these...
After 15 plus years of riding a 450, it's easier to say that (speaking for myself). Power on the later CR500's is perceived (more so these days) as broad and manageable as we've become more accustomed to 50+hp 450's.

But, if I was riding it back to back vs my '01 KX250 back in 2001, I'd think it was more of a "beast".

Starting (for me), is usually a 3-kick affair cold. Good kicks with choke on.
Yeah, that’s some good insight. Back when I was 14, I saved up and bought a CR500 (I was almost 6 foot by then, but still…). Quickly learned a thing or two about throttle control. But dang, would that thing climb some hills! Also vibrate the cartilage out of your joints. Anyway, 14 year old me remembers it being a beast of a bike. Haven’t rode one in a while.
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3/21/2022 6:47am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2022 7:11am
Broseph wrote:
Calling a CR500 a gentle giant, then saying a smooth kick from tdc will light it with no mention of bumping it past tdc… Sure you’re...
Calling a CR500 a gentle giant, then saying a smooth kick from tdc will light it with no mention of bumping it past tdc…

Sure you’re not thinking of a different bike?

I mean, yeah that’s how you start it, but if it’s got any compression at all, it’s not so much a smooth kick as it is jumping onto the kicker with everything you’ve got.

And gentle? Those things are never more than a few thousand rpm away from 60hp. It happens fast.

My experience was a bit different than yours I guess.

Ted722 wrote:
After 15 plus years of riding a 450, it's easier to say that (speaking for myself). Power on the later CR500's is perceived (more so these...
After 15 plus years of riding a 450, it's easier to say that (speaking for myself). Power on the later CR500's is perceived (more so these days) as broad and manageable as we've become more accustomed to 50+hp 450's.

But, if I was riding it back to back vs my '01 KX250 back in 2001, I'd think it was more of a "beast".

Starting (for me), is usually a 3-kick affair cold. Good kicks with choke on.
Broseph wrote:
Yeah, that’s some good insight. Back when I was 14, I saved up and bought a CR500 (I was almost 6 foot by then, but still…)...
Yeah, that’s some good insight. Back when I was 14, I saved up and bought a CR500 (I was almost 6 foot by then, but still…). Quickly learned a thing or two about throttle control. But dang, would that thing climb some hills! Also vibrate the cartilage out of your joints. Anyway, 14 year old me remembers it being a beast of a bike. Haven’t rode one in a while.
Oh yeah, you'll never forget first impressions / perceptions. Bike's all have different personalities, and you adapt to what the bike likes or is good at.

I raced my Dad's 1983 CR480 back when I was 17/18 (back in '85-'86) at 5'11" / 155lb. It was bone stock, except a Simons link for the rear suspension, 2 (TWO!) teeth up on the rear (per MXA recommendation to get you into the money gear...3rd...more), a pair of Rick Ryan's hand-me down aluminum Renthal bars(w/ Gold Belt DeBruzer bar pad), running on 91 pump / stock pipe / and a Richter silencer so we could take it trail riding at the State parks.

I don't recall what we did with jetting, because where do you start with that powerband (plus we were just learning about jetting anyway). It was a light switch of a powerband. All about mid-range, but not enough power to be scary, just a very fast delivery.

Clutch lever had a heavy pull and I needed 3 fingers off the start. A clean launch off the start (in 3rd gear) pretty much guaranteed a holeshot. Bike stalled easily, mostly because the light-flywheel effect. But, I learned to kick that thing over with my left leg (left sided kickstart) to save some time.

With all that said, the bike was easy to turn, had great brakes (for the time) and for tight quarter night motocross, it was an advantage (even against bikes 3-4 years newer)

Again, this is all my perceptions as I was learning about racing. But, another thing that bike (CR480) did was make my '83 and later '87 CR250 feel more manageable and modern. And, in comparison, my '01 CR500 feels like a 450 4-stroke compared to that 480.

Now, my buddies 1985 CR500? That bike was scary, but also scary good for the dunes and hillclimbs. Could go on and on, another friends 1986 power-valved KX500 was the cats meow on power delivery....etc.

Nice trip down memory lane. Good times and the CR500 is all about that!

Oh yeah, the 480 was good in the dunes too and some nights I'd bring home 2 pieces of "hardware".. Smile

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3/21/2022 9:14am
Ride it a gear or two higher than you think you should.
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I've debated with myself how to weigh in on this subject. I rode CR500's from '86 into the mid-90's, with a new bike pretty well every year, and even now I still have an early Service Honda in the garage. But how to ride them? If you plan on competing against the current crop of 450's, I'd say get a 450, but if you are prepared to live with the many quirks of a big open class 2S bike, then I'd say focus on the fun things, even if it means you're not at the front of the pack.

Massive amounts of slap-in-the-back power mean you are riding a dragster if you twist the throttle that way. Follow the point-and-shoot style from corner to corner (that is slide the rear around a quick as you can, then straighten it up and point it at the next corner, pull the trigger, break hard, repeat). Along the way let the front end come up a bit as there is nothing that says crazy power like a long, multi-gear power wheelie.

Big berms from the two-stroke slide turns seem to be a thing of the past replaced now by slot car ruts cut by all the torque of the 4S's out there. So get under their skin and tear holes in those corner ruts using all that power. Blow up the soft berms and let the roost fly. Forget that short-shift garbage and let that sucker rip. You will be rewarded with lots of holeshots on one hand, and looks of fear from all the guys who get caught in the roost you might be sending their way on the other. Like I said, focus on the fun things.

I had the habit of taking pix of each brand new bike before I unceremoniously stripped it of its maidenhood. Here's the '93 version which, of course, I wish I had back...


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Yeti831 wrote:
It handles like garbage, is very roomy and comfortable and will try to kill you if you don’t have good throttle discipline. But it’s also one...
It handles like garbage, is very roomy and comfortable and will try to kill you if you don’t have good throttle discipline. But it’s also one of funnest bikes to ride.
JM485 wrote:
It’s actually not a roomy bike at all ironically, the cockpit is pretty cramped for a taller guy (At least compared to modern bikes). I’m 6’0”...
It’s actually not a roomy bike at all ironically, the cockpit is pretty cramped for a taller guy (At least compared to modern bikes). I’m 6’0” and had to cut the spacer off the bottom of the foot pegs, then weld it to the top to drop them down about 10mm or so.

Also, if it’s as hard to start as some guys are making it out to be something isn’t right. You should be able to just turn the choke on, get it to top dead just like any other two stroke, and give it a smooth kick through to get it going. If the starting procedure takes 10 steps something isn’t quite right.
I’m 6’6” and I find those steel framed Hondas very comfortable. Just preference I guess. Only thing I didn’t like is how narrow those older footpegs are.

As far as starting, I’ve never experienced that problem so I’m sure what to add to that.
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3/22/2022 11:54am
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This beauty followed me home the other day and I’m pretty excited. It a 97 and I would estimate it at 50-80 hours or so. Got...
This beauty followed me home the other day and I’m pretty excited. It a 97 and I would estimate it at 50-80 hours or so. Got it from the second owner that being said it’s pretty fought and not anywhere close to ready to ride for my standards.

For the build I’m definitely going to go period correct with yellow backgrounds, period correct seat cover, logos, etc. Other than that I don’t really have a clue.

Is the stock suspension worth messing with, or is it easier just to find some 47mm showa tc forks and swap them out. Are they a direct swap? And shock wise is that possible to update with something newer?

Motor wise what is done to these bikes to make them more manageable? FWW? Porting? If so who to send for porting.

Also the frame, how recommended is it to gusset the frames? I do plan on getting the swing-arm gusseted just because one of the POs drilled 3/8-1/2 in sized holes in the swing-arm for what I assume was for a kickstand.

Thanks guys!






Also, your seat looks shorter than stock. Not sure if he cut it down or what, but if you are a taller rider, you may want to get the stock seat foam for it.
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3/23/2022 4:52am
Thanks for all the input guys! Hopefully I’m gonna start collecting parts this fall and hopefully I’m the next 2 years build it, depending on how school and internships/co-ops go.


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3/23/2022 6:56am
I got a good story about these. My Uncle bought an 89 CR500 and used to take me trail riding when I was a kid. He was not good at starting this bike and would try to keep it running for the whole ride.

Stalled it one day and was coasting it down a hill kicking it, should mention now that he didnt believe in grip glue. So he's coasing, kick, kick ,kick, thwap; the bike kicks back so hard it throws my uncle over the handlebars and into a bush. He comes out of the woods holding left grip in his hand.
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3/23/2022 11:43am
Awesome bike! My 90 CR500 might be my favorite bike of all time. It was stone axe reliable and could be ridden in just about every type of competition or condition. If your feeling lazy you just grunt around a gear high and torque your way over and through stuff. If your feeling froggy just make sure you are hanging on when you light the wick! It's a such a different animal than what most of us rife now but when you come to terms with how to ride it you will likely really enjoy it.
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