If Ryder D can get to pro level speed in 12 years of racing, can a 20 year old get to pro level speed by 32?

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Given talent and opportunities are the same*
Ryder D is 16 and I assume he started at around 4 which is 12 years of racing.
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Can a 20 year old with the same natural ability hit that speed by 32 years old?

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Ever hear of John Dowd?
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2/27/2022 5:49am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2022 5:51am
RaceFace58 wrote:
Ever hear of John Dowd?
I have, but I didn't know his story until I searched it just then...
Was he always riding at tracks/practicing until 20? or was he fresh to it?
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I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

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John Dowd did it.

Jeff Matiasevich didn’t even start riding until he was 12 and was a Factory Kawasaki guy at 17.

Jeremy McGrath didn’t start racing until he was 15 years old.

Weston Piek is another one…
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Well, motor skill learning is thought to have a critical period between 6-12. However evidence is mixed and it’s nothing like the critical period for language. My hunch is that it’s 5-10 percent better to learn young. If Ryder D started at 20, he’d make mains, but not be a star.
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In the words of the great Axl Rose..
"It's so easy to be social
It's so easy to be cool
it's so easy to be hungry when you aint got s#!t to lose"

The problem with being 30yrs old is having a job and responsibilities, possibly a family. Its much easier to hit send when your body actually heals and someone else is paying your way providing safety and security
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Well, motor skill learning is thought to have a critical period between 6-12. However evidence is mixed and it’s nothing like the critical period for language...
Well, motor skill learning is thought to have a critical period between 6-12. However evidence is mixed and it’s nothing like the critical period for language. My hunch is that it’s 5-10 percent better to learn young. If Ryder D started at 20, he’d make mains, but not be a star.
That's a great point regarding motor skills. On the subject of early development, I wonder if being exposed to adrenaline at a young age plays a part in over coming it as an adult
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UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

We need a 20 year old with a tonne of drive and decent talent to win lotto and then throw the kitchen sink at trying to make a main by 30. Would be interesting to see this type of experiment not just in MX/SX, but superbikes and car racing aswell. This would make a great TV show...
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UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

I'll agree with you 100%. I started at the same time MC did and we met up at Loretta Lynn's in the C class. He was clearly faster than me, but not by a whole lot. Still, he was better than anyone I had ever raced against.

He was only getting started, though. The next year, I got lapped by Damon Bradshaw at the regional qualifier and he went around me like I wasn't even in his way. Trust me, he was a lot faster than MC was 8 months prior.

Somehow MC made the leap to being the fastest SX racer in the world and it was only because of his God-given talent. Otherwise, he would have ended up like me, commenting on Vital in my PJs. Talent finds a way to the top.
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2/27/2022 9:14am
UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

mingham97 wrote:
We need a 20 year old with a tonne of drive and decent talent to win lotto and then throw the kitchen sink at trying to...
We need a 20 year old with a tonne of drive and decent talent to win lotto and then throw the kitchen sink at trying to make a main by 30. Would be interesting to see this type of experiment not just in MX/SX, but superbikes and car racing aswell. This would make a great TV show...
I think it would be cool to do it with a car guy.
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2/27/2022 9:28am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2022 7:12pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

mingham97 wrote:
We need a 20 year old with a tonne of drive and decent talent to win lotto and then throw the kitchen sink at trying to...
We need a 20 year old with a tonne of drive and decent talent to win lotto and then throw the kitchen sink at trying to make a main by 30. Would be interesting to see this type of experiment not just in MX/SX, but superbikes and car racing aswell. This would make a great TV show...
UpTiTe wrote:
I think it would be cool to do it with a car guy.
Car guys would stand a better chance than motorcycle guys. There's already eSports players getting contracts to drive real cars.

Can't simulate riding a dirt bike.
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mingham97 wrote:
Given talent and opportunities are the same*
Ryder D is 16 and I assume he started at around 4 which is 12 years of racing.
its definitely possible. i knew a local kid who progressed from beginner, like legit beginner to local pro in 4 years.

in the case of Ryder D. many guys who are racing pro, already had the speed and skill years before they were old enough to race pro.

but to make it, It comes down to quality time spent on the bike and a willingness to go faster. there are many guys, in all sports who try to make it, put in the time and effort and will never have 'it'
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How about a guy who's 46? Mains by 49?

Asking for a friend.
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Average rider plateaus at C class speed
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When you are young you feel invincible and are much more willing to take risks. By the age of 20 many of these kids have had some serious injuries and nasty crashes. Being young let’s you mentally and physically overcome a lot of that.

If you start at age 20, by the time you have some major injuries and crashes you are going to back in down, or in some cases just pack it up entirely.

There are always exceptions to the rule obviously.

But generally dirt bike racing at the highest levels is a young mans sport.

If you want to start something at age 20 then go play golf.
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Shane Byrne in British Superbike racing was very impressive. Never rode a bike until he was 17. Came from a family with no interest in the sport. Won the very first race he ever entered and ended up being 6x British Superbike champion, a World Superbike race winner and a MotoGP rider.
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Depends how deep the pockets are.
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2/27/2022 5:34pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2022 5:35pm
3 ways you can make it..

1. Money
2. Money
3. Money

it’s the only thing that matters in this sport, it opens every door, every opportunity, and even if you don’t have the speed.. you can go around to enough pro-ams, get your pro points, and qualify dead last at every supercross/outdoor you can get to.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

I'll agree with you 100%. I started at the same time MC did and we met up at Loretta Lynn's in the C class. He was...
I'll agree with you 100%. I started at the same time MC did and we met up at Loretta Lynn's in the C class. He was clearly faster than me, but not by a whole lot. Still, he was better than anyone I had ever raced against.

He was only getting started, though. The next year, I got lapped by Damon Bradshaw at the regional qualifier and he went around me like I wasn't even in his way. Trust me, he was a lot faster than MC was 8 months prior.

Somehow MC made the leap to being the fastest SX racer in the world and it was only because of his God-given talent. Otherwise, he would have ended up like me, commenting on Vital in my PJs. Talent finds a way to the top.
91 Lamson was faster than MC in some races, but MC still beat him by taking chances and treading the needle. My 1st Mx bike I bought when I was 23. My 1st race was at 24 125 A packed gate of 47. I won the 1st moto. I hardly rode that yr because of my const job we flew home for 3 days off. The yr b4 I rode quite a bit on my 3 days off. My girlfriend ate a lot of my time up. I plan on doing the same thing thing at 55. I don’t care about the overall just the moto win. The 125 class with 12-17 yr olds will b tough. That’s the current 125 expert class
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ElliotB16 wrote:
Average rider plateaus at C class speed
I agree with this, but will add to it. The average rider that takes it somewhat serious.

I would portion it up like this grouping every rider. 65% D class/roll around the track, 30% C class/instagram warriors, 4% National B class/local A, 1% Pro capable of winning. Im sure you could argue, but to me that seems realistic. Fear seems to keep people in the 65%
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UpTiTe wrote:
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding...
I know a guy who raced bmx because his parents wouldn’t let him get a motorcycle until he was 18. He got a bike, started riding at 18, started racing at 20, and turned pro at 22. He never tried to race a supercross, but he raced a lot of arenacross races. I thought he was a night show guy, but he didn’t want to get hurt and miss work.

Jeff Matasevich started riding at 12, and was the west coast champ at 17.

Jeremy McGrath was a 125 novice in 1987 and won his first main in 89.

If you have talent and drive, you have a chance. There is a ton of these production line kids doing laps at some facility that will never sniff a podium because they don’t have the talent.

I'll agree with you 100%. I started at the same time MC did and we met up at Loretta Lynn's in the C class. He was...
I'll agree with you 100%. I started at the same time MC did and we met up at Loretta Lynn's in the C class. He was clearly faster than me, but not by a whole lot. Still, he was better than anyone I had ever raced against.

He was only getting started, though. The next year, I got lapped by Damon Bradshaw at the regional qualifier and he went around me like I wasn't even in his way. Trust me, he was a lot faster than MC was 8 months prior.

Somehow MC made the leap to being the fastest SX racer in the world and it was only because of his God-given talent. Otherwise, he would have ended up like me, commenting on Vital in my PJs. Talent finds a way to the top.
91 Lamson was faster than MC in some races, but MC still beat him by taking chances and treading the needle. My 1st Mx bike I...
91 Lamson was faster than MC in some races, but MC still beat him by taking chances and treading the needle. My 1st Mx bike I bought when I was 23. My 1st race was at 24 125 A packed gate of 47. I won the 1st moto. I hardly rode that yr because of my const job we flew home for 3 days off. The yr b4 I rode quite a bit on my 3 days off. My girlfriend ate a lot of my time up. I plan on doing the same thing thing at 55. I don’t care about the overall just the moto win. The 125 class with 12-17 yr olds will b tough. That’s the current 125 expert class
How did you race 125A for your first race?? Where I’m from you can’t just “choose” to race the A class
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Wi. The year b4 I practiced with a kid that won 125c races skipped b and went to 125a. We where close in speed. Honestly I looked at it like a basketball or fast pitch softball competition. I won alot of those so I figured I would try to win or crash out. They call me Profeshenal for a reason now. Haha
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Maybe

But having a brand fund you like kawi did to Ryder is not likely. So you would need a Fucken huge pot of money
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Interesting pole results. I'd have thought most people remember how easy it is to pick up something new as a kid vs trying when you're an adult.

Watching adults who clearly never played sport, threw a ball, went skiing or rode bikes getting into it later is either funny or scary most of the time!
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SX_336 wrote:
John Dowd did it. Jeff Matiasevich didn’t even start riding until he was 12 and was a Factory Kawasaki guy at 17. Jeremy McGrath didn’t start...
John Dowd did it.

Jeff Matiasevich didn’t even start riding until he was 12 and was a Factory Kawasaki guy at 17.

Jeremy McGrath didn’t start racing until he was 15 years old.

Weston Piek is another one…
Weston did improve quite a bit in the Pro ranks. However, he was a top 7 Amateur B rider towards the end of our Amateur Careers... We definitely knew his name and had to somewhat worry about him... It was later he leveled up a bit more.
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2/27/2022 8:13pm
ElliotB16 wrote:
Average rider plateaus at C class speed
Leeham wrote:
I agree with this, but will add to it. The average rider that takes it somewhat serious. I would portion it up like this grouping every...
I agree with this, but will add to it. The average rider that takes it somewhat serious.

I would portion it up like this grouping every rider. 65% D class/roll around the track, 30% C class/instagram warriors, 4% National B class/local A, 1% Pro capable of winning. Im sure you could argue, but to me that seems realistic. Fear seems to keep people in the 65%
Fear % is much higher. If you like fear all you have to do is make it to the next corner. Get the corner perfect the rest of the track you can b out of control on a 125. Just keep the bike off the ground in between the corners.
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Fear % is much higher. If you like fear all you have to do is make it to the next corner. Get the corner perfect the...
Fear % is much higher. If you like fear all you have to do is make it to the next corner. Get the corner perfect the rest of the track you can b out of control on a 125. Just keep the bike off the ground in between the corners.
What you said hardly makes sense.
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2/27/2022 9:24pm
Fear % is much higher. If you like fear all you have to do is make it to the next corner. Get the corner perfect the...
Fear % is much higher. If you like fear all you have to do is make it to the next corner. Get the corner perfect the rest of the track you can b out of control on a 125. Just keep the bike off the ground in between the corners.
Leeham wrote:
What you said hardly makes sense.
Watch the Millville pre race show they show high lights Of southwick. Dylan etc r totally out of control in the straight aways and off jumps. But there in control in the corners. The best at this is RC who else can explode a hale bale on the highest speed down hill at GH and never let off.
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2/27/2022 11:48pm
mingham97 wrote:
Given talent and opportunities are the same*
Ryder D is 16 and I assume he started at around 4 which is 12 years of racing.
Its definitely possible but its certainly going to be much much harder. You'd already be coming into the sport past your physical prime in a field full of absolute freaks of nature, and you're bound to have a shorter career obviously. But i do think its possible if someone has the raw natural talent. Theres been several late bloomers in the sport over the years.

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