Would Webb be 2 time Champ if...

fullfloater 2/22/2022 11:23am
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cable wrote:
post next weeks track map and ill tell ya how he will do.
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[Img]https://cdn.supercrosslive.com/s3fs-public/2021-10/rd08_arlington_overview02.png[/img]
cable wrote:
podium for sure. 2 hops and out.. possible win.
Anyone have an animated track map for that? Maybe I've had too many concussions but I'm having trouble...
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Joey_Bridges 2/22/2022 11:32am
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cable wrote:
post next weeks track map and ill tell ya how he will do.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
[Img]https://cdn.supercrosslive.com/s3fs-public/2021-10/rd08_arlington_overview02.png[/img]
Anyone else see a problem with this track layout ??
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RalphS 2/22/2022 11:36am
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Over under guys over under
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fullfloater 2/22/2022 11:42am
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RalphS wrote:
Over under guys over under
Ah yes, I see that now Sifu. I thought the sideways tuf block was an elevated holeshot sign or something at first so skipped right by it.

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-MAVERICK- 2/22/2022 12:09pm
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cable wrote:
post next weeks track map and ill tell ya how he will do.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
[Img]https://cdn.supercrosslive.com/s3fs-public/2021-10/rd08_arlington_overview02.png[/img]
Joey_Bridges wrote:
Anyone else see a problem with this track layout ??
What's the problem?
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Hoseclamp 2/22/2022 12:09pm
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RalphS wrote:
Over under guys over under
That had me confused too. I had to look at that for at least a few minutes before I figured out what was going on! Haha
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Dirty Points 2/22/2022 1:02pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
[Img]https://cdn.supercrosslive.com/s3fs-public/2021-10/rd08_arlington_overview02.png[/img]
Joey_Bridges wrote:
Anyone else see a problem with this track layout ??
-MAVERICK- wrote:
What's the problem?
At casual glance, the tunnel looks like a table, so it a appears that the long flat straight and the interior 90 both funnel into the same corner.
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Joey_Bridges 2/22/2022 1:08pm
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Upon further review....
Still though, not a place you'd expect to see an underpass.
At the end of a long straight into a flat turn.
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RaceFace58 2/22/2022 4:52pm
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I was rooting against Webb both times and he flat went out there and won them. There’s only one reason why and that’s because he was the best rider both years.
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Magoofan 2/22/2022 5:44pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
[Img]https://cdn.supercrosslive.com/s3fs-public/2021-10/rd08_arlington_overview02.png[/img]
Joey_Bridges wrote:
Anyone else see a problem with this track layout ??
-MAVERICK- wrote:
What's the problem?
I see a right hand 1st turn (not really a problem). But it's confusing how the track flows around that tunnel. Think I've got it figgered out now though.

If there's a pile up in the first turn, it's going to be a problem when the leaders quickly circle back to the tunnel jump.




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blockhead17 2/22/2022 11:58pm
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Yeah I don’t see this layout working well if there is a first turn pileup..
The fact that it’s a right hander too adds to the sketchiness of it all.
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If a frog's ass wasn't water tight, he would sink.
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mxlegend99 2/23/2022 2:18pm
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They all raced the same tracks. Big whoops might be his biggest flaw. But he's more than good enough that he still won 2x titles on the same tracks everyone else raced.

I think his real advantage is not the tracks. He's just so much smarter than the other fast guys and makes some incredibly good decisions at the right times. He also just hangs in there waiting for those moments to come not pushing the issue or just settling
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MyBobbym 2/23/2022 2:39pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
Nobody, after RD and RV... other than Kenny would be champ if KR wouldn't have yard sale'd that factory Honda that fateful night.
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H4L 2/23/2022 5:55pm
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Nope..
Grimm Reefer 420 2/23/2022 7:32pm
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When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to make it work. Its going to take some time for sure.
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
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Nobody, after RD and RV... other than Kenny would be champ if KR wouldn't have yard sale'd that factory Honda that fateful night.
It was what, round 3 when that crash happened? He had won the opening two rounds and was in 4th when he crashed? Roczen superfans give the guy way too much benefit of the doubt. He started every season off hot. He did the same thing in 15 and 16 but crashes caused by over-the-top riding derailed those seasons. Even last year, he was the points leader entering round 4 and proceeded to win 3 straight. We all know what happened after that.

So why is it that every single person seems to think that if not for that wreck (which was due to... you guessed it... riding over his head), he would've became the next Jeremy McGrath?
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tomlopez 2/23/2022 7:38pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
MyBobbym wrote:
Nobody, after RD and RV... other than Kenny would be champ if KR wouldn't have yard sale'd that factory Honda that fateful night.
Also, I'm not implying that his career wouldn't have turned out better if not for that crash. There's a good chance he would've picked up at least 1 SX title, maybe even multiple. But to just assume he would have absolutely dominated guys like Tomac, Webb, Anderson, Musquin, etc for consecutive years is a bit unrealistic IMO.
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jorgechavez 2/23/2022 8:31pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
MyBobbym wrote:
Nobody, after RD and RV... other than Kenny would be champ if KR wouldn't have yard sale'd that factory Honda that fateful night.
Yea because he won so many SX titles before that, right?
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
MyBobbym wrote:
Nobody, after RD and RV... other than Kenny would be champ if KR wouldn't have yard sale'd that factory Honda that fateful night.
jorgechavez wrote:
Yea because he won so many SX titles before that, right?
X2. The ole if if if game, if tomac was healthy he wd have won the 2016 outdoor title. See how easy the if game is.
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Thisusernameisavailable 2/23/2022 9:47pm
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Grimm Reefer 420 wrote:
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to...
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to make it work. Its going to take some time for sure.
Change Coops swing arm, shock and frame and he can’t get a result…

Yet Jason Anderson can get off a steel framed bike on to an aluminium framed one and be on top form immediately!

At the same time Eli Tomac gets off of a KX onto a bike with the engine round the opposite way and is also on top form immediately! This, on a bike that has previously achieved zero in SX remember..

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str8line 2/23/2022 9:53pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
This right here. Eli's bike looked terrible so many times. That might be on him though. Not to take away from Cooper but you gotta wonder how well Eli would have done if his fork weren't so damn stiff.
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blockhead17 2/23/2022 11:28pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Webb might not have 2 championships if Eli had his bike this Dialled..
str8line wrote:
This right here. Eli's bike looked terrible so many times. That might be on him though. Not to take away from Cooper but you gotta wonder...
This right here. Eli's bike looked terrible so many times. That might be on him though. Not to take away from Cooper but you gotta wonder how well Eli would have done if his fork weren't so damn stiff.
I think it’s more about the communication between Eli and the team to get him to feel “comfy”
His star suspension and chassis guy is the same dude he had in his Honda days, and obviously knows how to give Eli what he needs based off what he says.
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Grimm Reefer 420 2/24/2022 8:45am
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Grimm Reefer 420 wrote:
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to...
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to make it work. Its going to take some time for sure.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Change Coops swing arm, shock and frame and he can’t get a result… Yet Jason Anderson can get off a steel framed bike on to an...
Change Coops swing arm, shock and frame and he can’t get a result…

Yet Jason Anderson can get off a steel framed bike on to an aluminium framed one and be on top form immediately!

At the same time Eli Tomac gets off of a KX onto a bike with the engine round the opposite way and is also on top form immediately! This, on a bike that has previously achieved zero in SX remember..

Very true. Nice point.
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tomlopez 2/24/2022 9:30am
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Grimm Reefer 420 wrote:
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to...
When you change the frame, motor, swingarm and have no previous race data there's going to be some major adjustments. KTM has all the resources to make it work. Its going to take some time for sure.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Change Coops swing arm, shock and frame and he can’t get a result… Yet Jason Anderson can get off a steel framed bike on to an...
Change Coops swing arm, shock and frame and he can’t get a result…

Yet Jason Anderson can get off a steel framed bike on to an aluminium framed one and be on top form immediately!

At the same time Eli Tomac gets off of a KX onto a bike with the engine round the opposite way and is also on top form immediately! This, on a bike that has previously achieved zero in SX remember..

There's a major difference between Tomac & Anderson finding instant success on new bikes and Webb struggling on a new bike. Tomac and Anderson were no longer gelling with their previous team/setup and were hungry for a change. Webb was totally in tune with his current setup, and everything changed, forcing him to adjust.
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locky_144 2/24/2022 10:34am
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At the end of the day his name was still at the top of the board when the season ended . That’s like saying does reed win in 08 if Stewart was racing? Does reed hold on in 09 if he didn’t crash on the start In Seattle, does dungey win in 2010 if villo doesn’t have that massive off, does roczen win the title in 17 if he didn’t eject himself at A2? and there’s shit like that from every season up till now you could say.
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locky_144 wrote:
At the end of the day his name was still at the top of the board when the season ended . That’s like saying does reed...

At the end of the day his name was still at the top of the board when the season ended . That’s like saying does reed win in 08 if Stewart was racing? Does reed hold on in 09 if he didn’t crash on the start In Seattle, does dungey win in 2010 if villo doesn’t have that massive off, does roczen win the title in 17 if he didn’t eject himself at A2? and there’s shit like that from every season up till now you could say.
Exactly, quit with the. If if if.
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Joey_Bridges 2/24/2022 12:12pm
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And if Brad Lackey were 40yrs younger, none of these guys would have a championship.
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