Regular 450 guys on 250?

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Edited Date/Time 2/14/2022 6:12am
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
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Mace-x 2/12/2022 9:43pm
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Thank you for your input, if you could be a bit more expressive than a meme would be awesome tho.
Cheers mate!
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DonM 2/12/2022 10:04pm
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
I think you’re an idiot…so you’re blaming Craig for everyone else’s mistakes? Just fucking brilliant…
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Mace-x 2/12/2022 10:08pm
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DonM wrote:
I think you’re an idiot…so you’re blaming Craig for everyone else’s mistakes? Just fucking brilliant…
Well no, i am not blaming craig, i am blaming the system.
Would you blame a secondary child beating a primary child on a contest? No, you would blame the organizers.
Now please keep it civilized, just want to discuss and talk, not call anyone idiot.
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Sawfish 2/12/2022 10:09pm
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I dislike most of the bs that mxgp does, but I do think there should be a more stringent set of rules for classes. Maybe an age limit like they have. J Mart straight up quit a season so he didn’t have to move up.
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chasetwo79 2/12/2022 10:14pm
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I’m so glad we’re moving east so we don’t have to hear people complain about CC being faster than the rest of his injury depleted class this year.
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LouisianaMotocross 2/12/2022 10:16pm
2/12/2022 10:16pm
Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
VF is older than Craig. Why don’t people complain about him as much?
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
VF is older than Craig. Why don’t people complain about him as much?
I did include friese, but probably because he has never been a consistent 450 top10-15 i'd guess.
Plus i dont know why but he fades a lot on the halfway mark so it makes for a less impactfull result
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mxb2 2/12/2022 10:34pm
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
VF is older than Craig. Why don’t people complain about him as much?
Exactly, so is blose. But. People dont complain because they arent beating their favorite rider.
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mxrose3 2/12/2022 10:58pm
2/12/2022 10:58pm Edited Date/Time 2/12/2022 11:00pm
i'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole age / point limit thing in the 250 class. Its a professional race series. Should be open to anyone and not just be a 'stepping stone' to the 450's. If you want to make a 'youth' stepping stone class, put a intermission 250F class in the night show for up and coming young riders. Not everyone is built for a 450 or wants to ride one. Take Alex Martin for example... short stature, an doesn't seem to jell very good with the 450.
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brimx153 2/12/2022 11:29pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
VF is older than Craig. Why don’t people complain about him as much?
Mace-x wrote:
I did include friese, but probably because he has never been a consistent 450 top10-15 i'd guess. Plus i dont know why but he fades a...
I did include friese, but probably because he has never been a consistent 450 top10-15 i'd guess.
Plus i dont know why but he fades a lot on the halfway mark so it makes for a less impactfull result
Friese has been a very consistent 10 -15 guy for year s in the 450 class . The problem is nt the older guys . It's the younger guys .even in the east coast .there isn't many great young talent s come through the last few year s . Go back 5 - 10 years look at all the young riders who where winning from day one . Also is why everyone should ease up on the Jett stuff . J mart was winning outdoor s with only one good arm last year . That is nt happening years ago
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MKMX 2/13/2022 2:38am
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At the end one the day, the position Craig is in, it shouldn’t be any surprise he’s blowing the doors off everyone in that class. In all honesty, it would be more embarrassing if he goes on to not win the title than if he does.
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Pape718 2/13/2022 3:01am
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These guys are pros not the D class they race what class the team tells them to its their job you think cc wouldn't want to be on a 450. He's got a family to support so he's doing what pays him the most and makes the team happy
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fanger 2/13/2022 3:43am
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Shimoda finished ahead of him last year though.
Frank Tuesday 2/13/2022 4:18am
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Craig isn't a "Regular 450 Guy". He has only done 11 SX races on the 450, the last in 2018.
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mxrose3 wrote:
i'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole age / point limit thing in the 250 class. Its a professional race series. Should be open...
i'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole age / point limit thing in the 250 class. Its a professional race series. Should be open to anyone and not just be a 'stepping stone' to the 450's. If you want to make a 'youth' stepping stone class, put a intermission 250F class in the night show for up and coming young riders. Not everyone is built for a 450 or wants to ride one. Take Alex Martin for example... short stature, an doesn't seem to jell very good with the 450.
But it is a stepping stone to the 450 Class. Ask any fast 15 year old at Loretta Lynn what their MX/SX dream is, and none of them will say to have a long career in the 250 class. They all want to be 450 champs.

Yes 250 is a professional series, just like AAA baseball, NASCAR Xfinity, etc. It can be professional and still be a feeder into the more important class (450, Major League, Cup, etc). The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
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Wiff3 2/13/2022 6:49am
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
I think the riders are doing what the teams they work for are telling them to do, just like most people do when they go to work.

The riders are under contract. If Star, or Smarttop, or HRC or whoever, tell them they are on a 250, then that's what they ride.
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If you look at A-Mart right now his SX career looks to be over because he had to move up. A more stringent rule will do this to more guys. It’s always been a situation where guys are stuck in this class even if they outclass the comp. I wouldn’t be against that if you win the title you’re out but that seems unfair to not get to defend. Maybe you win, and only get one chance to defend? Win or lose. There are plenty of title winners who really had no more career when they moved up, young or old. And that’s under the current rules.
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crusty_xx 2/13/2022 6:55am
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
Not a single rider other than Hunter Lawrence crashed last nicht because he was trying to keep up with CC
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Chris_Buehler 2/13/2022 7:00am
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
When the season started and we lost Colt, it was clear Craig was going to dominate. I did whine a little that CC is too old, been in the class too long. Look he's racing according to the rules. I also saw a stat from someone a couple races into the season, breaking down Craig career. He's raced a 450 almost exactly the same amount of times as he's raced a 250.
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mxrose3 2/13/2022 11:14am
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mxrose3 wrote:
i'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole age / point limit thing in the 250 class. Its a professional race series. Should be open...
i'm sorry, but I don't agree with the whole age / point limit thing in the 250 class. Its a professional race series. Should be open to anyone and not just be a 'stepping stone' to the 450's. If you want to make a 'youth' stepping stone class, put a intermission 250F class in the night show for up and coming young riders. Not everyone is built for a 450 or wants to ride one. Take Alex Martin for example... short stature, an doesn't seem to jell very good with the 450.
Frank Tuesday wrote:
But it is a stepping stone to the 450 Class. Ask any fast 15 year old at Loretta Lynn what their MX/SX dream is, and none...
But it is a stepping stone to the 450 Class. Ask any fast 15 year old at Loretta Lynn what their MX/SX dream is, and none of them will say to have a long career in the 250 class. They all want to be 450 champs.

Yes 250 is a professional series, just like AAA baseball, NASCAR Xfinity, etc. It can be professional and still be a feeder into the more important class (450, Major League, Cup, etc). The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
So for any of those 15 year olds that have that have a dream of being 450 class champion, let them have at it. They are both professional classes. These 250 point out rules are fairly new to the sport, and are bogus IMO. I agree to disagree.
Bingslayer 2/13/2022 11:22am
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The 250 class is the new “I’m off to Canada”
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mb60 2/13/2022 11:45am
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I love how Craig catches all the heat for being 30. But Frese J Mart and Philly Phil and A Mart last year are ok. Craig is another level period right now. Sit back and appreciate the guy.
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
If nichols wan not injured it would be alot closer racing for craig. Look at last year, craig was the fastest guy at test track they say, and a fast qualifier, but when the main even came around colt nichols had him handled.
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mattyhamz2 2/13/2022 11:51am
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3 guys 30 and older finished in the top 6 last night. That’s not a lack of fairness, that’s the rest of the field(younger guys) needing to learn how to be better, faster, make less mistakes and be more consistent.
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Phillip_Lamb 2/13/2022 8:48pm
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Mace-x wrote:
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass...
Craig is a top 10 450 rider and you now see what happens when 250 kids push it to the max to beat a grown ass man, they get wreckend and the field depleted.
I dont know but craig has raced the 250 series a bunch of times, seems unfair to all the kids out there (mosiman, lawrences, shimoda, mumford, forkner, mcadoo, etc.)

I do include in this same category friese, jmart and those older guys.

What dl you guys think?
im gonna level with you.

if the young studs cant keep up with the 'old ma' they need to reevaluate their program. Lebron was 18 when he turned pro and had no issue playing with all the veteran players.


This is the PRO's; age has nothing to do with your speed at this point. Everyone racing pro is there to make money, and if that means taking a paid ride in the 250 vs no rider/free ride then any rider is justified in taking it.

it would be no different is a guy was playing MLB and had to drop down to AAA.
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blockhead17 2/14/2022 6:12am
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I will say, I didn’t realise just how big the gap was until friese dropped down and A-Mart moved up..
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