JS7: "Roczen is done"

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Edited Date/Time 2/11/2022 12:39pm
didn't see it posted. Apologies if I missed it.

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Phil109 2/10/2022 7:54am
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Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not willing to take that extra chance for a while, but now a kid really makes him think twice about his moves. He will always have the talent but that killer instinct is diminished.
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RandomUserName 2/10/2022 7:56am
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the excuses. The insane ability to make it easy for others to pass him. His lack of passion. Statements like "I don't even have to be out here, ya know".

I agree with JS7.
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I feel it's over when it comes to winning titles. One day hopefully we'll find out what he has so that we understand instead of making assumptions. Until then it's state secret.
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Fouled Plug 2/10/2022 8:09am
2/10/2022 8:09am
I have nothing but respect for Roczen. With the severity of his injuries a few years ago I never thought he would get back to the level he once rode at, let alone winning races and being a contender once again.
He could hang it up tomorrow (although we wouldn't want that) I'd totally understand his position. Here is hoping for a couple more good years with him around the sport.
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RandomUserName wrote:
didn't see it posted. Apologies if I missed it. [embed][/embed]
didn't see it posted. Apologies if I missed it.

I still think KR will have days he comes out and wins races making it look easy. I believe this is his last year on his contract, and I would bet money he won't continue racing.
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TheGetFresh 2/10/2022 8:12am
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To be clear, they are talking about his 2022 SX campaign. “He’s done” for this year, not necessarily forever. Granted, it seems like he’s running out of time to get an SX title and this may very well be his last realistic opportunity to do so, but James isn’t going so far as to say his career is over.
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Phil109 wrote:
Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not...
Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not willing to take that extra chance for a while, but now a kid really makes him think twice about his moves. He will always have the talent but that killer instinct is diminished.
Not saying KRoc "isn't" done, but you do realize that Tomac had his two kids with him next the podium, right? I think it's tough to get inside their head and completely understand what their motivations are. He does seem a bit over it in some ways. I'm sure the horrific injuries play a huge role in his willingness to take risk, and I don't think being at the losing end of so many interactions with Webb and Anderson help his psyche either. He seems to win when he gets the start and has clean air, but struggle mightily when he has to fight through the pack...

IMHO...
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Falcon 2/10/2022 8:21am
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It's very, very difficult to be a predator at the sharp end of the pack in the 450 class. Hard to keep that up for multiple seasons.
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Talisker 2/10/2022 8:22am
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Coach, it’s time to call it!!!! Sexton will be on the podium from here on out!!!

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tingo 2/10/2022 8:28am
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Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing wrong with that, but he definitely doesn't seem to have the fire he once did. Sexton is Honda's new hope.
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Johnny Ringo 2/10/2022 8:33am
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IMO Ken is now where Windham was from 2003-2008. Race wins here and there, but not really in the title chases. Padding his bank account before it’s over
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Phil109 2/10/2022 8:34am
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Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not...
Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not willing to take that extra chance for a while, but now a kid really makes him think twice about his moves. He will always have the talent but that killer instinct is diminished.
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Not saying KRoc "isn't" done, but you do realize that Tomac had his two kids with him next the podium, right? I think it's tough to...
Not saying KRoc "isn't" done, but you do realize that Tomac had his two kids with him next the podium, right? I think it's tough to get inside their head and completely understand what their motivations are. He does seem a bit over it in some ways. I'm sure the horrific injuries play a huge role in his willingness to take risk, and I don't think being at the losing end of so many interactions with Webb and Anderson help his psyche either. He seems to win when he gets the start and has clean air, but struggle mightily when he has to fight through the pack...

IMHO...
I think in some cases children will motivate athletes to go out and do better (Osborne) but in some cases it causes them to take a step back. I just feel like after the horrific injuries and then having a child it was the ladder with him. I'd love to see him get an sx championship and a bunch of wins. I thought he'd have done it already, but his window is closing and fast. Win or lose we probably only get another season or two out of him.
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Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing...
Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing wrong with that, but he definitely doesn't seem to have the fire he once did. Sexton is Honda's new hope.
Yeah, I'm a Kenny fan also but I guess I have to see the thruth and then again, nothing wrong with that...Kenny is probably in addition to family planning much about his future. Whatever it is, future business, projects etc. Maybe his energy to get up in the morning is checking email from his new business partner in Europe instead of thinking of the season and to do well.

Doesn't it show also in the speed guys get up on a bike, some crash and are up to full speed in seconds others take their time to slowly check everything is Ok and then slowly start to pick up speed again... why hurry?...sucks to be on the ground (and btw, that business next year, exciting times, this race won't change anything).


Hahha... and thruth is, I have no idea nor insight, just pure professional guessing Smile
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Zesiger 112 2/10/2022 8:44am
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So when Roczen wins again will we see a video telling JS7 to F off?
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Don't bury a champion too fast. May need some fresh air too. Go to Triumph.
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SeaClassExpert 2/10/2022 8:50am
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Don't bury a champion too fast. May need some fresh air too. Go to Triumph.
I mean I love Kenny, but the last/only time he has won a super cross championship was 9 years ago.
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SethGator 2/10/2022 8:55am
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once Ken had Griffin and started to act like he was the first person to have a kid it all changed.
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He tried his best
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mx 219 2/10/2022 9:02am
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Yet the guy easily won A1. He may be done for the championship, but I think he still has some wins in him. He hasn't looked great after A1, but he still had two possible podiums until Anderson took him down. I'm not so sure he wasn't going to pass Tomac at San Diego before it was all said and done, but Anderson ended that.
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tingo 2/10/2022 9:18am
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tingo wrote:
Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing...
Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing wrong with that, but he definitely doesn't seem to have the fire he once did. Sexton is Honda's new hope.
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Yeah, I'm a Kenny fan also but I guess I have to see the thruth and then again, nothing wrong with that...Kenny is probably in addition...
Yeah, I'm a Kenny fan also but I guess I have to see the thruth and then again, nothing wrong with that...Kenny is probably in addition to family planning much about his future. Whatever it is, future business, projects etc. Maybe his energy to get up in the morning is checking email from his new business partner in Europe instead of thinking of the season and to do well.

Doesn't it show also in the speed guys get up on a bike, some crash and are up to full speed in seconds others take their time to slowly check everything is Ok and then slowly start to pick up speed again... why hurry?...sucks to be on the ground (and btw, that business next year, exciting times, this race won't change anything).


Hahha... and thruth is, I have no idea nor insight, just pure professional guessing Smile
So what's the biz?
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sandtrack315 2/10/2022 9:39am
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Most people would have quit after his injuries. People here don't understand how much anxiety and trauma responses can wear your body out, so he feels physically burnt out and exhausted, but it's mental. I don't buy the mystery antibiotic related illness stories, but you can. The dude took a huge injury that took a year to recover from, then his trainer was paralyzed riding with him; it's no surprise he's drained from competition on a dirt bike, it's exhausting given the trauma and anxiety he probably has around riding and racing. Why do you think the dude avoids any contact on the track? I still love watching him ride, and it's cool he has still been able to pull off some wins, but he's never winning a championship again.
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yz133rider 2/10/2022 9:48am
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Most people would have quit after his injuries. People here don't understand how much anxiety and trauma responses can wear your body out, so he feels...
Most people would have quit after his injuries. People here don't understand how much anxiety and trauma responses can wear your body out, so he feels physically burnt out and exhausted, but it's mental. I don't buy the mystery antibiotic related illness stories, but you can. The dude took a huge injury that took a year to recover from, then his trainer was paralyzed riding with him; it's no surprise he's drained from competition on a dirt bike, it's exhausting given the trauma and anxiety he probably has around riding and racing. Why do you think the dude avoids any contact on the track? I still love watching him ride, and it's cool he has still been able to pull off some wins, but he's never winning a championship again.
Please. Enough of the roczen walks on water stuff.

He’s a legend, amazingly talented, style, form, and control few have ever had.

But his injuries are not on another level like keeps being claimed.

Pourcel broke his back 2x. Came back to win titles. Canard broke his femur how many times? Craig broke his back, milsaaps had some of the gnarliest injuries and almost won 2013 supercross title, the list goes on and on.

Not to say he didn’t have it bad, but get so tired of hearing how he came back from stuff nobody else could.

Pourcels alone are night and day worse. Roczen broke his arms and had some complications. Pourcel had to learn how to walk, how to regulate his body temp because his body couldn’t do it on it’s own, how to handle his digestive system, on and on.

Freaking Tomac destroyed both his shoulders in the same crash. Shoulders are much more complex than a broken arm. And a broken back is much more complex yet.

But because of roczens popularity and social presence all you hear about is how gnarly he is and how nobody else could do it.

Come on.

There’s dozens more I’m missing too I’m sure.


Edit - reread your post and I do agree he’s been through a lot mentally and that’s why he rides the way that he does and avoids risk.
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tingo wrote:
Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing...
Agreed. He's done. Dude is ready to spend more time learning to surf with the fam at the beach than grinding at the moto track. Nothing wrong with that, but he definitely doesn't seem to have the fire he once did. Sexton is Honda's new hope.
8500rpm wrote:
Yeah, I'm a Kenny fan also but I guess I have to see the thruth and then again, nothing wrong with that...Kenny is probably in addition...
Yeah, I'm a Kenny fan also but I guess I have to see the thruth and then again, nothing wrong with that...Kenny is probably in addition to family planning much about his future. Whatever it is, future business, projects etc. Maybe his energy to get up in the morning is checking email from his new business partner in Europe instead of thinking of the season and to do well.

Doesn't it show also in the speed guys get up on a bike, some crash and are up to full speed in seconds others take their time to slowly check everything is Ok and then slowly start to pick up speed again... why hurry?...sucks to be on the ground (and btw, that business next year, exciting times, this race won't change anything).


Hahha... and thruth is, I have no idea nor insight, just pure professional guessing Smile
tingo wrote:
So what's the biz?
As I stated in the end, I'm just guessing... I have no idea.

Then again, when a athlete is nearing his/her end doesn't they start to spend time on things that will be the future for them.

Now this is far from SX, but in F1, I think after Kimi Raikkonens world championship he started many businesses and he never was the same... then again, not that far, isn't Kimi Raikkonen the owner of Ice 1 racing.

I guess Lewis Hamilton has lots of business ideas going on in his head... and Daniel Ricciardo.

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Goon645 2/10/2022 10:04am
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Let’s talk again when the sx and mx seasons are done and he probably places in the top 3 for each.
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I enjoy watching Kenny ride and race!
I think he is not gelling with bike!
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holeshot413 wrote:
I enjoy watching Kenny ride and race!
I think he is not gelling with bike!
If so, that's on him.

MC almost won the title in 97 after having two weeks to test before the first round, with a mechanic who was unengaged, and a terrible platform to start with.

He's had months, the bike should be fine.
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crusty_xx 2/10/2022 10:49am
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I wonder if he'd still be out there had he won an SX title in 15 or 16
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Phil109 wrote:
Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not...
Huge Kroc fan but I knew as soon as he had a kid he'd never be the same. At first it was the injuries and not willing to take that extra chance for a while, but now a kid really makes him think twice about his moves. He will always have the talent but that killer instinct is diminished.
Good parents strive to do better for their children. Can't say I'd walk through fire on my own but I'd sure as hell do it for my kids.
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McG194 2/10/2022 11:19am
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Because Eli won the title in 20 he was no longer the greatest rider without a title and now it's safe to say Kenny is the greatest SX racer ever without a title and it looks like he will retire with that unenviable title. Shame because I really wished he would have got one.
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 2/10/2022 11:21am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Most people would have quit after his injuries. People here don't understand how much anxiety and trauma responses can wear your body out, so he feels...
Most people would have quit after his injuries. People here don't understand how much anxiety and trauma responses can wear your body out, so he feels physically burnt out and exhausted, but it's mental. I don't buy the mystery antibiotic related illness stories, but you can. The dude took a huge injury that took a year to recover from, then his trainer was paralyzed riding with him; it's no surprise he's drained from competition on a dirt bike, it's exhausting given the trauma and anxiety he probably has around riding and racing. Why do you think the dude avoids any contact on the track? I still love watching him ride, and it's cool he has still been able to pull off some wins, but he's never winning a championship again.
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Please. Enough of the roczen walks on water stuff. He’s a legend, amazingly talented, style, form, and control few have ever had. But his injuries are...
Please. Enough of the roczen walks on water stuff.

He’s a legend, amazingly talented, style, form, and control few have ever had.

But his injuries are not on another level like keeps being claimed.

Pourcel broke his back 2x. Came back to win titles. Canard broke his femur how many times? Craig broke his back, milsaaps had some of the gnarliest injuries and almost won 2013 supercross title, the list goes on and on.

Not to say he didn’t have it bad, but get so tired of hearing how he came back from stuff nobody else could.

Pourcels alone are night and day worse. Roczen broke his arms and had some complications. Pourcel had to learn how to walk, how to regulate his body temp because his body couldn’t do it on it’s own, how to handle his digestive system, on and on.

Freaking Tomac destroyed both his shoulders in the same crash. Shoulders are much more complex than a broken arm. And a broken back is much more complex yet.

But because of roczens popularity and social presence all you hear about is how gnarly he is and how nobody else could do it.

Come on.

There’s dozens more I’m missing too I’m sure.


Edit - reread your post and I do agree he’s been through a lot mentally and that’s why he rides the way that he does and avoids risk.
Good post and totally agree yz133, I know this is going to get a lot of down votes but why isnt it ever brought up that one of the arm injuries was kind of his doing trying to take web out.....

note: I'm more of a ken fan than cooper
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