Replay of Friese on Craig...

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At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
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Position is irrelevant… you go in like that at the entry of a fast sand turn it’s pretty hard to imagine any other outcome than both going down in a heap. Kids a momo.
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I dont know any racers, i don't have a favorite racer, i don't bet. I don't race. I do watch to be entertained, Vince does make it entertaining, lol!
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
About 50/50 on the blame pie. Craig wasn't in Vince's vision until a split second before contact. Vince should probably have heard he was there, but...
About 50/50 on the blame pie. Craig wasn't in Vince's vision until a split second before contact. Vince should probably have heard he was there, but probably also went into the corner thinking he was far enough ahead to safely take the line. Kinda hard to pull out that late in the sand
Wow, you need to recalibrate your meds.
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2/6/2022 6:12am
lol.

The AMA blackflags CR for slowly escorting TC41 off the track....but Friese torpedoes CC onto the concrete and they stand around scratching their asses.
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At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are...
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
Craig had already made the pass………..Vince needs to turn his brain on when he rides. He is lucky Craig didn’t get hurt worse.

Yamaha probably has a hit out on Vince now. Does Moto need a targeting rule like the NFL? If so, Vince would be suspended every week.
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Let me preface this by saying I'm a big CC fan and have been for many years BUT...watch that Instagram video right at second mark 31-32 and you can see Christian begins to knife the front wheel into the sand BEFORE Vince is even touching him. Playing devils advocate here I know but IF (I know, I know...it's a big IF) CC was already beginning to lose front end traction and beginning to lean Vince's direction (which to me is clearly obvious) then I think the outcome actually makes Vince look a lot worse than he actually should. My guess is that IF CC's front wheel doesn't begin to knife then he remains a bit more upright and there's simply potential for a good ole block pass (no harm, no foul)...not the huge blowout takeout that then proceeded to happen haha.

Just my thoughts after watching it many times...
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Like clockwork vital starts ripping Craig for sandbagging. Do a little homework and see how much he has actually raced the class and not how long he’s been in the class. Follow that up with the abundance of rides in the 450’s that have been available. The guy rides the 450 any chance he gets, he hasn’t been offered a ride yet that makes sense
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At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are...
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while holding you bike wide open and blowing both of you off your bikes because your getting passed by someone who is clearly faster than you is just a pussy move.

The problem is that he's done it his entire career, and noone is doing anything about it. Has he ever ridden a straight line in his life? The reason he's so hard to pass isn't because of pure speed, but because he rides every line of every turn and every straight, and every jump.

There's a difference between riding your ass off, and riding like a douche bag.

And it's not entertainment if it's your kid, or your spouse, or your friend that he's pulling these bullshit moves on. It's professional racing, not MMA. He's a danger to everyone on the track.


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akmx17 wrote:
Ride the 450 class Craig if your so upset of how the riding is in 250s I know it really sucks to be in last by...
Ride the 450 class Craig if your so upset of how the riding is in 250s

I know it really sucks to be in last by 20 seconds and get a fourth. But Vince couldn't hack it maybe you can
The 450 class would not treat Christian kindly. I hear Barcia and Anderson tend to take advantage of people on the outside, and their are rumors of contact from time to time.
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2/6/2022 6:54am Edited Date/Time 2/6/2022 6:54am
akmx17 wrote:
Ride the 450 class Craig if your so upset of how the riding is in 250s I know it really sucks to be in last by...
Ride the 450 class Craig if your so upset of how the riding is in 250s

I know it really sucks to be in last by 20 seconds and get a fourth. But Vince couldn't hack it maybe you can
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The 450 class would not treat Christian kindly. I hear Barcia and Anderson tend to take advantage of people on the outside, and their are rumors...
The 450 class would not treat Christian kindly. I hear Barcia and Anderson tend to take advantage of people on the outside, and their are rumors of contact from time to time.
Interesting, I distinctly remember Craig beating Barcia outdoors the last two years.
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lol.

The AMA blackflags CR for slowly escorting TC41 off the track....but Friese torpedoes CC onto the concrete and they stand around scratching their asses.
I had to look this up again. Reed slowly gave an unsuspecting Canard a bump that was intended and not a racing move.

How could those even be compared?
Vince came in too hot to a nearly bermless inside line, drifted to the outside and hit Craig behind him, taking them both out. You can say Vince was an idiot, he was reckless, whatever. But it wasn't done with premeditated with skill and control like Reeds black flag.
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2/6/2022 7:16am Edited Date/Time 2/6/2022 7:16am
lol.

The AMA blackflags CR for slowly escorting TC41 off the track....but Friese torpedoes CC onto the concrete and they stand around scratching their asses.
KurtJ99 wrote:
I had to look this up again. Reed slowly gave an unsuspecting Canard a bump that was intended and not a racing move. How could those...
I had to look this up again. Reed slowly gave an unsuspecting Canard a bump that was intended and not a racing move.

How could those even be compared?
Vince came in too hot to a nearly bermless inside line, drifted to the outside and hit Craig behind him, taking them both out. You can say Vince was an idiot, he was reckless, whatever. But it wasn't done with premeditated with skill and control like Reeds black flag.
To be fair, Canard decided to jump on Chads, so reedy let him know how he felt. Of course, Ghallager then decided to flex his stick after that with a black flag.

One would think Vince gets placed on probation at this point.
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2/6/2022 2:47pm
Hmmm. I'm not 100% against Friese on this one. Craig made a ballsy pass around the outside and wasn't really in control of the line yet. They were neck and neck over those last two jumps. Vince had a 49% chance of making Christian check up and it didn't work out. I'm not nearly as anti-Friese for this as I was anti-Ferrandis for his takeout.
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2/6/2022 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2022 3:02pm
Regardless of who was at fault, you have got to believe that Feld and the AMA is loving all this slam banging, it draws viewers and maybe puts fans in the stands I'm sure...

An Anti Hero with good speed like Friese is bound to bring destruction anywhere he goes, and he has done this for literally his entire pro career.

I rememberer a few years ago when Windham punted Vince off the track at the Monster cup, it got the biggest cheers of the night in that stadium...

And who can forget Peick beating on him on the track a few years ago? They still show that clip in supercross highlights.
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lol.

The AMA blackflags CR for slowly escorting TC41 off the track....but Friese torpedoes CC onto the concrete and they stand around scratching their asses.
I was just thinking this before I read it 💯%
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2/6/2022 3:26pm
Has anyone thought about a concussion, Vince took a big hit last week and could barely stand up.
Maybe he shouldn’t be out there.
What is concussion protocol?
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2/6/2022 3:31pm
i had same thoughts....why the hell he is allowed to race after a hit like this
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At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are...
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
Wiff3 wrote:
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while...
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while holding you bike wide open and blowing both of you off your bikes because your getting passed by someone who is clearly faster than you is just a pussy move.

The problem is that he's done it his entire career, and noone is doing anything about it. Has he ever ridden a straight line in his life? The reason he's so hard to pass isn't because of pure speed, but because he rides every line of every turn and every straight, and every jump.

There's a difference between riding your ass off, and riding like a douche bag.

And it's not entertainment if it's your kid, or your spouse, or your friend that he's pulling these bullshit moves on. It's professional racing, not MMA. He's a danger to everyone on the track.


MMA even has rules against certain dirty moves!! The AMA needs to get their heads out of their asses and start penalizing people. It’s pretty clear right now that there really are no rules when it comes to contact on the track. So this shit will continue until someone gets hurt as people like Friese think it’s fine and don’t know any better. They’ll do something about it after a guy has his leg broken or worse is paralyzed…..maybe. They lost their minds when Deegan ghost rode his bike based on potential danger. This is real concrete danger and a ghost ride finish isn’t as dangerous as smashing into someone at speed or crossing lines in the air. Think about that AMA, UFC has rules against dangerous actions. It’s time guys. Don’t wait until someone’s being helicoptered out.
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lol.

The AMA blackflags CR for slowly escorting TC41 off the track....but Friese torpedoes CC onto the concrete and they stand around scratching their asses.
Remember the whole Alessi/Tedesco fiasco some time ago?

Only person who received any punishment (fine) was Walker for turning around and getting Alessi off Ivan’s bike.

AMA has had their head in ass for a minute.
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minidad160 wrote:
Has anyone thought about a concussion, Vince took a big hit last week and could barely stand up. Maybe he shouldn’t be out there. What is...
Has anyone thought about a concussion, Vince took a big hit last week and could barely stand up.
Maybe he shouldn’t be out there.
What is concussion protocol?
They go off of a baseline that is established when uninjured to test against when potential for concussion exists. Friese’s baseline is “unresponsive” when not concussed so they were unable to determine. The official diagnosis was Vince gonna Vince.
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2/6/2022 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2022 4:03pm
Tumic wrote:
So when Roczen opens the door and Anderson takes him out it’s okay and Ken should have known better. But when Craig goes in side by...
So when Roczen opens the door and Anderson takes him out it’s okay and Ken should have known better.

But when Craig goes in side by side on the outside Friese is the big cunt?

It’s clear that friese were thinking that craig would let of, but sure as hel that this take out was not intentional.

Craig needs to be smarter than that, just as Roczen should be smarter about his lines.
The difference is Anderson was making a block pass and when they came together, his front wheel was in front of Roczen. Friese was behind Craig the whole time and just slammed into the rear half of his bike. The first example is an aggressive pass the second example is a t bone. Huge difference. Thats why the first one is ok and the second is not…

Both pictures are at the moment of contact, HUGE difference. Friese had no chance to pass and was not in a passing position, it was an unnessecary torpedo. THAT being said Craig has to be aware that Friese is a reckless dbag and should not have tried to pass on the outside with Friese there for his own safety.


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At 1st I thought friese was 100% a bone head.
But the more I see the move the more I see friese intentions.
Initial thoughts was 100% a stupid take out.
But thru the rhythm he was infront.
Over the last jump and run into the corner Craig pulls along side.
Friese prob thought he still had a wheel on him and if he run it hard into the corner Craig would check up. he didnt and freise took him out.
Still freise fault but I can see his decisions and understand stand his though process but his execution was poor.
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2/6/2022 4:05pm
I feel like he shouldn’t have been out there, they couldn’t even get him in the sxs because he was out of it.
One week later good to go.
Doesn’t make sense
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In that first pic above you can even see where Vince’s tire track goes across the entrance to the inside berm. People keep comparing this. The Roczen contact was a sand section that developed two lines with one exit. The Craig contact was two separate berms built by the track builders. There’s no chance of drifting from the inside berm to the outside berm. The contact was before the apex of term whereas the other the contact was after the apex at the exit of the turn. JA should not have made that move but it’s not close to what Friese pulled.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
About 50/50 on the blame pie. Craig wasn't in Vince's vision until a split second before contact. Vince should probably have heard he was there, but...
About 50/50 on the blame pie. Craig wasn't in Vince's vision until a split second before contact. Vince should probably have heard he was there, but probably also went into the corner thinking he was far enough ahead to safely take the line. Kinda hard to pull out that late in the sand

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Clearly Vince couldn’t see Craig there before he made contact….. if that’s the case he’s even more dangerous on the track than I thought. It’s better to think he did it on purpose as at least that means he had control over it.
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Everyone gets so offended by everything these days! Yes it was a dumb move by Friese, BUT, Dirtworks do deserve a little percentage blame pie of...
Everyone gets so offended by everything these days!

Yes it was a dumb move by Friese, BUT, Dirtworks do deserve a little percentage blame pie of this one.

They dressed this corner terribly with no entrance to the inside line, except deep smooth sand with no bank. If there was indeed no sight lap, it looks like Friese saw that last minute and stupidly chose to dive to the outside.

Still Friese’s fault, but the track crew should really do better than that.


A very valid point.

The corner had just been dressed, and when watched in slow motion it looks like vf hits a little kicker in the line he chose.

I would also propose that when the worked the section there very well may have been a soft spot in the outside cushion that could have caused cc to bog a bit.

One other observation is that the entrance into that corner was the darkest place on the track. Not sure exactly why, if it was not covered by the arena lights or if the lighting was blocked by a structure like the tunnel or starting gate trusses, but it was
Pretty noticable, not just at that time, but in much of the other racing.

Not a big vf fan, just kind of feel like he is getting too much heat on this one for what was a,racing incident.

Ja22 takes out kr94 in a sand section fighting for a top spot, he is a hero.

Vf takes out cc in sand section trying to hang on to the lead and he gets roasted.
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At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are...
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
Wiff3 wrote:
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while...
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while holding you bike wide open and blowing both of you off your bikes because your getting passed by someone who is clearly faster than you is just a pussy move.

The problem is that he's done it his entire career, and noone is doing anything about it. Has he ever ridden a straight line in his life? The reason he's so hard to pass isn't because of pure speed, but because he rides every line of every turn and every straight, and every jump.

There's a difference between riding your ass off, and riding like a douche bag.

And it's not entertainment if it's your kid, or your spouse, or your friend that he's pulling these bullshit moves on. It's professional racing, not MMA. He's a danger to everyone on the track.


they were both pinned going to the outside, craig got a slighty better drive into the corner they were both going for, craig assumed since he got an elbow in front, and they had a friendly chat earlier, that Friese would suddnely just lay down. Friese continues to believe he is just fast enough he can keep guys behind him with defensive riding, and knowing about how he gets paid, he probably had some bonus on the line to lead a lap/ win/ or podium one of the TC mains.

a 'smart' rider not only improves his skill but also adapts to each opponent. RC knew not to try to pass JS7 in certain situations and deliberatly held up and waited #2006washougal
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