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What I get from these is that the USA is either win or lose... A 2nd, 3rd or 4th and so on is a massive failure... All other countries and a 2nd, 3rd, etc is a huge success. And that sentiment seems to come from both sides of the pond.

I hate to call it luck, but you have to call it something. If Anderson doesn't get landed on, how does Maggiora turn out? And it was a race for 2nd, but how does Assen look if Anderson AND Cooper don't find each other on lap 1, with both in the top 10 in that race?

At almost all MXoN, the USA is a threat to win, but is now joined by at least 4 other countries... And depending on the track, like Ernee and Maggiora, they are racing for the top step... At others, they need everything they've got for just a podium.

MXoN is still an amazing event. I'll be at Red Bud again and also in France in 2023, hoping for Ernee.... Wink Because moto is life!
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1/3/2022 6:23am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2022 6:45am
Motofinne wrote:
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much...
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much deeper talent pool than any other country.

But any kind of major change wont happen if the US industry is stuck in the mindset that nothing can be done because SX is the priority.

Nobody that uses this excuse/explanation has ever shown me hard facts that would suggest 2021 is different to 2001 or 2011. The schedule is still the same, nothing has changed except SX futures amateur racing being introduced two years ago so that has had zero effect on anything yet.

I'll come back to my first point. USA has the biggest population, the deepest talent pool so if the US moto industry collectively decides to re-evaluate the situation and investigate what could be done better, the results would come eventually.
If population matters that much then why aren’t China and India dominating the sport.

Edit* and the Dutch currently have two of the best riders in the world. At one point Florida had the three best riders in the world. Population doesn’t matter all that much, it’s luck of the draw
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The following statements are incorrect "The US teams have access to every bit of setup info from the GP teams, should they want to actually set...
The following statements are incorrect

"The US teams have access to every bit of setup info from the GP teams, should they want to actually set their bikes up to work properly on an MXdN track."

"Supercross amounts to a five minute heat and a 15 minute final each weekend."
1. Just checked with HRC and they share setup.

2. My bad. Its about eight minutes for the heat and nowadays 20 +1 for the final. Sorry I missed the eight minutes.
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1/3/2022 8:29am
I think the difference is bikes is significant now and favoring MXGP riders for the Des Nations. Herlings for example has multiple frame options and swingarms with different wheelbases, geometry etc for different racing surfaces. Also, the fuel is different. Not saying this is an excuse, but it's very different, just ask RV.

Regardless and many have said it, but the real issue is loss of interest from Teams and riders here. There is also zero incentive for anyone to go and the only difference between a MXGP race and des nations is the US riders.

Also, who cares? Two different series and that's great. More racing for everyone.
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1/3/2022 9:00am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2022 9:24am
Rupert X wrote:
Hey. Remember those days when they used to Announce the MXDN team at Red Bud in early July ? Remember when ALL the manufacturers, teams, riders...
Hey. Remember those days when they used to Announce the MXDN team at Red Bud in early July ? Remember when ALL the manufacturers, teams, riders and fans, were double super-stoked about our country competing ? Those days, sadly, are long gone. Sigh.
I am feeling this by Rupert. If the USA guys wanted it so bad they could have contracts that their team couldn’t prevent them from representing their country. I am gonna get hammered for this but most US guys ain’t gonna compromise some extra earnings (SX and monster cup) to prep right and race in this event. Their Net worth is the new dick measuring contest instead of waving the Stars and Stripes on top of the podium. They are still capable of winning this thing especially this year, France doesn’t look as strong, Holland and Italy do not have three super strong riders atm. It’s there for the winning if they want it bad enough. One other thing would ya start prepping on gnarly tracks as the Sunday is the most important day.
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SFellure33 wrote:
The following statements are incorrect "The US teams have access to every bit of setup info from the GP teams, should they want to actually set...
The following statements are incorrect

"The US teams have access to every bit of setup info from the GP teams, should they want to actually set their bikes up to work properly on an MXdN track."

"Supercross amounts to a five minute heat and a 15 minute final each weekend."
Robgvx wrote:
1. Just checked with HRC and they share setup. 2. My bad. Its about eight minutes for the heat and nowadays 20 +1 for the final...
1. Just checked with HRC and they share setup.

2. My bad. Its about eight minutes for the heat and nowadays 20 +1 for the final. Sorry I missed the eight minutes.
When someone says ' they just checked with HRC' .

Ultimate come back.
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1/3/2022 9:16am
Just seems to rain in the last few years. Also these man made tracks need to go. It seriously puts me off! Look what they did to red bud, and that one in the actual stadium in Europe that was completely man made - what a joke.
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Motofinne wrote:
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much...
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much deeper talent pool than any other country.

But any kind of major change wont happen if the US industry is stuck in the mindset that nothing can be done because SX is the priority.

Nobody that uses this excuse/explanation has ever shown me hard facts that would suggest 2021 is different to 2001 or 2011. The schedule is still the same, nothing has changed except SX futures amateur racing being introduced two years ago so that has had zero effect on anything yet.

I'll come back to my first point. USA has the biggest population, the deepest talent pool so if the US moto industry collectively decides to re-evaluate the situation and investigate what could be done better, the results would come eventually.
If population matters that much then why aren’t China and India dominating the sport. Edit* and the Dutch currently have two of the best riders in...
If population matters that much then why aren’t China and India dominating the sport.

Edit* and the Dutch currently have two of the best riders in the world. At one point Florida had the three best riders in the world. Population doesn’t matter all that much, it’s luck of the draw
Sometimes you wonder why stuff is how it is.

Then you read things like this.

Why dont the Chinese win MotoGP ?
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philG wrote:
Sometimes you wonder why stuff is how it is.

Then you read things like this.

Why dont the Chinese win MotoGP ?
Not population. Moto population.
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1/3/2022 9:37am
philG wrote:
Sometimes you wonder why stuff is how it is.

Then you read things like this.

Why dont the Chinese win MotoGP ?
Robgvx wrote:
Not population. Moto population.
Pretty sure more motorcycles are sold in China than America. By a lot.
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I don’t think there is anything that Team USA needs to do differently in terms of wholesale changes to win this event. The first thing they...
I don’t think there is anything that Team USA needs to do differently in terms of wholesale changes to win this event. The first thing they need to do is send their 3 best guys. History suggests that if you do that consistently you will win eventually. Fortune plays a big part in this event, there were some years that Team USA won when they maybe didn’t deserve to and luck went in their favour, and in the past 10 years or so there’s been occasions it has gone the other way. It’s just the way things go in a one off, one day event, I don’t think it’s any reason to rip things up and start again
How do you win and not deserve to win?
Well it’s quite simple really, in 2016 Team USA deserved to win, they had the freak accident with Anderson and it cost them the win. In 2018, the Netherlands were by far the best team but Vlaanderen took a rock to the eye and it cost them the win. The best guy/team is not always the one who wins.
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Motofinne wrote:
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much...
The major advantage USA has compared to all other countries is the population size. No matter what, you'll always have very good riders and a much deeper talent pool than any other country.

But any kind of major change wont happen if the US industry is stuck in the mindset that nothing can be done because SX is the priority.

Nobody that uses this excuse/explanation has ever shown me hard facts that would suggest 2021 is different to 2001 or 2011. The schedule is still the same, nothing has changed except SX futures amateur racing being introduced two years ago so that has had zero effect on anything yet.

I'll come back to my first point. USA has the biggest population, the deepest talent pool so if the US moto industry collectively decides to re-evaluate the situation and investigate what could be done better, the results would come eventually.
If population matters that much then why aren’t China and India dominating the sport. Edit* and the Dutch currently have two of the best riders in...
If population matters that much then why aren’t China and India dominating the sport.

Edit* and the Dutch currently have two of the best riders in the world. At one point Florida had the three best riders in the world. Population doesn’t matter all that much, it’s luck of the draw
You have to be completely out of touch with reality to think that population/talent pool does not have any bearing on the success of a nation. Is it the be all and end all? No. But it helps no end if you have 30 factory riders to choose from instead of 3, which many countries are lucky to have
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Complaining is not the way.
This is certainly true; and, it's not enough of a priority amongst our OEMS and their "Marketing Dollars". There are more than a few riders that "want it". I don't think many of them have much support to pursue it.

In all fairness, tho, we do start at the very beginning of the year, look at this upcoming Saturday, for example...and we race all the way until Labor Day (September). Combine that with the established fact that our guys are paid to win Supercross before any other considerations are made. Look at Marvin's SX only contract for a current example.

All the while, The Europeans are Uber-Focused on racing the GPs...outdoors...and it's pretty plain to see: they've become really, really good at it.

We need to up our outdoor game.
We need to treat the MXoN as a priority.
We need to want it as bad as we once did.

This IS NOT a complaint. It's just the reality of it all.

If I had to pick the riders that I think want to go...can win...and "should" go...? Well, again, I don't know that they all have the backing of their teams/OEMs/Sponsors. And, sadly, I understand the "business considerations" behind all this.

I don't like it. But, I get it.
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1/3/2022 10:02am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2022 10:02am
I think a team of AC, Tomac, Jmart could win. “Could” if AC doesn’t crash, Good Tomac shows up, and Jmart isn’t hurt. Lots of ifs there, but you can’t deny the speed those guys have. If you do, well then you just aren’t very smart.
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1/3/2022 12:56pm
Is the 2022 MXoN at Red Bud a must win for Team USA and their fans? If it’s a fair weather event and Team USA lose again, a distinct possibility, will the fans lose interest in the annual team event?Dry
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Okay so what's GBR excuse for not winning since 1994?

Robgvx wrote:
We don’t have anywhere near the talent or depth of riders to be in with a shout. Our National series is poor, and hardly anyone races...
We don’t have anywhere near the talent or depth of riders to be in with a shout. Our National series is poor, and hardly anyone races GPs anymore so never get to learn how to go fast. You need to race with the fastest riders, and our stay-at-home riders don’t.

To be honest, ‘94 was a one-off. None of the three riders were at the top of their game that year and none were expected to do what they did. They all just had their best day, all at the same time. For that they deserve immense credit. But I for one did not see that result as an indication that GB was suddenly the fastest nation in the world.
Fair enough. Why then do you seem to downplay the U.S.A. not winning since 2011? You mentioned that blaming supercross is a poor "excuse" and then give your reasons why. But you really are downplaying the schedule itself when you say that it's 5 minutes of a heat and 15 minutes of a final. It's much more than that. It's months and months of training, being prepared, testing, doing lap after lap after lap. On top of that, during the season, they fly home, train more, do more laps, and prepare to be the best they can for those 15 to 20 minutes in the main event so it's much, much more than a 20 minute main event.

These guys aren't sitting on the couch all week and then flying to a supercross to do an easy 20 minute race. I suspect you know this, and if not, then ask the former world champs who have tried and failed to win a premier 450 supercross title. They will tell you it's brutal, and then they have to switch gears and train for the outdoors, many of them still dealing with nagging injuries from the high pressure, intense supercross season, which riders have to be much more precise with their timing and technique than outdoors.

If you think the supercross season is just an "excuse" you are mistaken. While I agree that the GP riders have just gotten fast at their trade and are the best in the world outdoors, you can't go giving your guys reasons for not winning while telling the other guys they are making excuses. I think we can agree it's tough for everybody.

Also, hats off to Paul Malin who had the ride of his life in 94. It is right up there with other great 125 perfomances like O'Mara and RV on his 250.

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Is the 2022 MXoN at Red Bud a must win for Team USA and their fans? If it’s a fair weather event and Team USA lose...
Is the 2022 MXoN at Red Bud a must win for Team USA and their fans? If it’s a fair weather event and Team USA lose again, a distinct possibility, will the fans lose interest in the annual team event?Dry
Why would it be a must win? They've lost before and they will lose again. It's much like another poster mentioned; if the U.S. gets second or third, people go on about how they lost. Yet you go bragging about GBR's 3rd place finishes. Talking shit and you haven't won the damn even since 1994.

Life will go on if Team U.S.A. loses, and 3 more proud racers will represent the U.S. at future events. I'm proud of every rider who chooses to represent their country no matter where they are from, but I will always root for my country to win it.
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Fair enough. Why then do you seem to downplay the U.S.A. not winning since 2011? You mentioned that blaming supercross is a poor "excuse" and then...
Fair enough. Why then do you seem to downplay the U.S.A. not winning since 2011? You mentioned that blaming supercross is a poor "excuse" and then give your reasons why. But you really are downplaying the schedule itself when you say that it's 5 minutes of a heat and 15 minutes of a final. It's much more than that. It's months and months of training, being prepared, testing, doing lap after lap after lap. On top of that, during the season, they fly home, train more, do more laps, and prepare to be the best they can for those 15 to 20 minutes in the main event so it's much, much more than a 20 minute main event.

These guys aren't sitting on the couch all week and then flying to a supercross to do an easy 20 minute race. I suspect you know this, and if not, then ask the former world champs who have tried and failed to win a premier 450 supercross title. They will tell you it's brutal, and then they have to switch gears and train for the outdoors, many of them still dealing with nagging injuries from the high pressure, intense supercross season, which riders have to be much more precise with their timing and technique than outdoors.

If you think the supercross season is just an "excuse" you are mistaken. While I agree that the GP riders have just gotten fast at their trade and are the best in the world outdoors, you can't go giving your guys reasons for not winning while telling the other guys they are making excuses. I think we can agree it's tough for everybody.

Also, hats off to Paul Malin who had the ride of his life in 94. It is right up there with other great 125 perfomances like O'Mara and RV on his 250.

But GP guys do all that too.
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"Nobody that uses this excuse/explanation has ever shown me hard facts that would suggest 2021 is different to 2001 or 2011."


First RC was a different animal. Jeffrey is a kind of RC in MX but aside Jeffrey the level between the best euros and US riders is pretty much the same. A lot of bad luck for team USA the last few years.

The sport has changed a little bit since 2011 as bikes, level of riders more closer, techhniques, tracks ect. SX is what that paye the most and you need to be focus on because this is a very specific and very challenging with a hellish calendar.
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Bottom line is this.

If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form their national series, a healthy team USA would prob win or be favourites every year.

It’s so obvious this is the issue.

USA has the most valuable mx markets

USA has the greatest motocross population

USA has the most factory riders

However USA doesn’t have the experience on the international circuits, the greater variety of track styles, conditions & depth of talent within the class.

It’s kinda ironic USA home successes are their international down full.

It’s a shame no US riders have the pride to go win a MXGP world title, then aim to win MXON. People will say it’s not what pays best, but how do you know when you haven’t done it ?

Popularity is what pays & in this world of social media a US rider that’s MXGP & MXON champion would be a new level.
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1/4/2022 4:37am Edited Date/Time 1/4/2022 4:38am
vet40 wrote:
Bottom line is this. If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form...
Bottom line is this.

If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form their national series, a healthy team USA would prob win or be favourites every year.

It’s so obvious this is the issue.

USA has the most valuable mx markets

USA has the greatest motocross population

USA has the most factory riders

However USA doesn’t have the experience on the international circuits, the greater variety of track styles, conditions & depth of talent within the class.

It’s kinda ironic USA home successes are their international down full.

It’s a shame no US riders have the pride to go win a MXGP world title, then aim to win MXON. People will say it’s not what pays best, but how do you know when you haven’t done it ?

Popularity is what pays & in this world of social media a US rider that’s MXGP & MXON champion would be a new level.
In the past American riders racing the GPs weren't considered for the MXdN team . Donny Schmit , Bob Moore, Trampas Parker they were World Champions and as far as I know not even on the list . Would it be different now ?
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robkinuk wrote:
Is the 2022 MXoN at Red Bud a must win for Team USA and their fans? If it’s a fair weather event and Team USA lose...
Is the 2022 MXoN at Red Bud a must win for Team USA and their fans? If it’s a fair weather event and Team USA lose again, a distinct possibility, will the fans lose interest in the annual team event?Dry
Why would it be a must win? They've lost before and they will lose again. It's much like another poster mentioned; if the U.S. gets second...
Why would it be a must win? They've lost before and they will lose again. It's much like another poster mentioned; if the U.S. gets second or third, people go on about how they lost. Yet you go bragging about GBR's 3rd place finishes. Talking shit and you haven't won the damn even since 1994.

Life will go on if Team U.S.A. loses, and 3 more proud racers will represent the U.S. at future events. I'm proud of every rider who chooses to represent their country no matter where they are from, but I will always root for my country to win it.
Why is it “talking shit “as you claim to be proud of your countries achievement. Ben Watson also took the gold place for best MXGP rider at last years MXoN.
As your username suggests, perhaps you need to be put on suicide watch until Red Bull MXoN is done?
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1/4/2022 5:09am Edited Date/Time 1/4/2022 12:17pm
vet40 wrote:
Bottom line is this. If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form...
Bottom line is this.

If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form their national series, a healthy team USA would prob win or be favourites every year.

It’s so obvious this is the issue.

USA has the most valuable mx markets

USA has the greatest motocross population

USA has the most factory riders

However USA doesn’t have the experience on the international circuits, the greater variety of track styles, conditions & depth of talent within the class.

It’s kinda ironic USA home successes are their international down full.

It’s a shame no US riders have the pride to go win a MXGP world title, then aim to win MXON. People will say it’s not what pays best, but how do you know when you haven’t done it ?

Popularity is what pays & in this world of social media a US rider that’s MXGP & MXON champion would be a new level.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
In the past American riders racing the GPs weren't considered for the MXdN team . Donny Schmit , Bob Moore, Trampas Parker they were World Champions...
In the past American riders racing the GPs weren't considered for the MXdN team . Donny Schmit , Bob Moore, Trampas Parker they were World Champions and as far as I know not even on the list . Would it be different now ?
Doesn’t necessarily mean that it was always the right decision though. Team USA won in 1992 with Liles on the team, if you had a guy who was racing in the top class in GP’s and winning races why wouldn’t you pick him? Given that it would be the same tracks/competition you’re up against at MXdN. I know it’s all hypothetical and pointless but I don’t see why you wouldn’t do it if it was there. Surely if RV had been fit all of 2015 he would have raced MXdN that year
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If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on this forum but it doesn't hold the luster it once did in the grand scheme of things and that is just fact. I wonder if it would even still exist had the grass roots effort to get involved again back in 1980 had been unsuccessful. what would the relevancy be if the USA had not shown up and won with a very underrated team and then went on a tear for thirteen years? This race is more cash cow nowadays than anything else imho. Don't get me wrong though, I still want us to win especially on our home soil!
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If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on...
If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on this forum but it doesn't hold the luster it once did in the grand scheme of things and that is just fact. I wonder if it would even still exist had the grass roots effort to get involved again back in 1980 had been unsuccessful. what would the relevancy be if the USA had not shown up and won with a very underrated team and then went on a tear for thirteen years? This race is more cash cow nowadays than anything else imho. Don't get me wrong though, I still want us to win especially on our home soil!
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won for 10 years.
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If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on...
If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on this forum but it doesn't hold the luster it once did in the grand scheme of things and that is just fact. I wonder if it would even still exist had the grass roots effort to get involved again back in 1980 had been unsuccessful. what would the relevancy be if the USA had not shown up and won with a very underrated team and then went on a tear for thirteen years? This race is more cash cow nowadays than anything else imho. Don't get me wrong though, I still want us to win especially on our home soil!
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But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won...
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won for 10 years.
It hasn't changed? I've been following the sport since the mid seventies and you aren't much of a historian if you believe that. My comments have nothing to do with our won/loss record. Also it seems like the importance of the whole thing hinges on our participation and competitiveness based on the comments I read on this forum. If we just flat out quit participating where would it stand in a few years?
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If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on...
If we win this year with "National" riders what will the narrative be then? This race is still special to people like those of us on this forum but it doesn't hold the luster it once did in the grand scheme of things and that is just fact. I wonder if it would even still exist had the grass roots effort to get involved again back in 1980 had been unsuccessful. what would the relevancy be if the USA had not shown up and won with a very underrated team and then went on a tear for thirteen years? This race is more cash cow nowadays than anything else imho. Don't get me wrong though, I still want us to win especially on our home soil!
RG1 wrote:
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won...
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won for 10 years.
It hasn't changed? I've been following the sport since the mid seventies and you aren't much of a historian if you believe that. My comments have...
It hasn't changed? I've been following the sport since the mid seventies and you aren't much of a historian if you believe that. My comments have nothing to do with our won/loss record. Also it seems like the importance of the whole thing hinges on our participation and competitiveness based on the comments I read on this forum. If we just flat out quit participating where would it stand in a few years?
What has changed in the last 20 years that it suddenly lost its lustre? Everything about the event has been pretty much exactly the same since 2004. The late 00’s, early 10’s there was no lack of interest from the USA. So what has changed recently?

The event wouldn’t cease to exist without Team USA. Is it better with Team USA competing? Absolutely. But there is plenty of passionate support for this event regardless of team USA’s level of involvement
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1/4/2022 7:37am
vet40 wrote:
Bottom line is this. If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form...
Bottom line is this.

If 2 elite US riders raced MXGP consistently, one in MX2 & the other in MXGP, then with a supporting rider form their national series, a healthy team USA would prob win or be favourites every year.

It’s so obvious this is the issue.

USA has the most valuable mx markets

USA has the greatest motocross population

USA has the most factory riders

However USA doesn’t have the experience on the international circuits, the greater variety of track styles, conditions & depth of talent within the class.

It’s kinda ironic USA home successes are their international down full.

It’s a shame no US riders have the pride to go win a MXGP world title, then aim to win MXON. People will say it’s not what pays best, but how do you know when you haven’t done it ?

Popularity is what pays & in this world of social media a US rider that’s MXGP & MXON champion would be a new level.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
In the past American riders racing the GPs weren't considered for the MXdN team . Donny Schmit , Bob Moore, Trampas Parker they were World Champions...
In the past American riders racing the GPs weren't considered for the MXdN team . Donny Schmit , Bob Moore, Trampas Parker they were World Champions and as far as I know not even on the list . Would it be different now ?
RG1 wrote:
Doesn’t necessarily mean that it was always the right decision though. Team USA won in 1992 with Liles on the team, if you had a guy...
Doesn’t necessarily mean that it was always the right decision though. Team USA won in 1992 with Liles on the team, if you had a guy who was racing in the top class in GP’s and winning races why wouldn’t you pick him? Given that it would be the same tracks/competition you’re up against at MXdN. I know it’s all hypothetical and pointless but I don’t see why you wouldn’t do it if it was there. Surely if RV had been fit all of 2015 he would have raced MXdN that year
Yeah totally forgot about Liles .
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1/4/2022 7:55am
RG1 wrote:
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won...
But the event hasn’t changed, there’s no reason for you to feel that it’s lost it’s luster other than the fact that Team USA haven’t won for 10 years.
It hasn't changed? I've been following the sport since the mid seventies and you aren't much of a historian if you believe that. My comments have...
It hasn't changed? I've been following the sport since the mid seventies and you aren't much of a historian if you believe that. My comments have nothing to do with our won/loss record. Also it seems like the importance of the whole thing hinges on our participation and competitiveness based on the comments I read on this forum. If we just flat out quit participating where would it stand in a few years?
RG1 wrote:
What has changed in the last 20 years that it suddenly lost its lustre? Everything about the event has been pretty much exactly the same since...
What has changed in the last 20 years that it suddenly lost its lustre? Everything about the event has been pretty much exactly the same since 2004. The late 00’s, early 10’s there was no lack of interest from the USA. So what has changed recently?

The event wouldn’t cease to exist without Team USA. Is it better with Team USA competing? Absolutely. But there is plenty of passionate support for this event regardless of team USA’s level of involvement
Maybe it is just my perspective on the event. Maybe it is just insular thinking on my part. I know the scheduling was an issue for quite some time but that seems to have been addressed this year. Also I think over past decade our political climate has gotten so heated that people can shy away from National pride for fear of repercussions whether real or perceived and I don't think the riders are immune to this. Obviously we have the 800lb gorilla known as Supercross. I think once upon a time our guys were more old school and while SX was very important their pride made them want to be Champions of everything. As it stands I almost see winning the MXoN for the European guys as something that fills the void since they don't take part in or have a SX series. It puts a stamp on their perceived superiority in MX if you will. Conversely our guys have two series with one being the premier championship in all of dirt biking and I can see where their interest could wane.
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1/4/2022 8:06am
its only normal if a dominant country lose some of its power at some point
usa mxon 2 win streaks is something we dont see often in sports, especially in sports that are globally popular
and its not exactly a downfall just from winning to podium contenders
so for me nothing is wrong, the anomaly would have been a team winning every year for ever
if 2023 team usa wins, nobody is gonna be surprised



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