PNW tire recommendations for Singletrack and MX

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Looking for tire recommendations for PNW (Western Oregon). For singletrack, the guys I ride with rave about the Shinko 525 hybrid cheater rear and goldentyre fatty front combo set up with tubliss system.

I trust that recommendation for wet/muddy/rooty singletrack riding and I will be converting to tubliss, but none of the guys I talked to take their bikes to the moto track, so I dont know if those tires would work at all for MX. I'll be doing about 50/50 singletrack and track days.

Currently running the stock Dunlop AT81s that came on my bike (2019 yz250x) which have been fine for me on the track, but are a bit lacking on slippery singletrack.

At some point I'd love to build up a spare set of 19/21 wheels for the track and keep the stock 18" rear for trail duty, but for now looking to know if I can get away with the tire combo mentioned above on the track, or if there is another option.

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Michelin enduro medium with mousses.
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I have the Shinko version of the Fatty front and I hate the way it feels for 3rd gear+ and "more aggressive" riding. Seems to have a tendency to want to climb out of ruts. It did work great in the roots and rocks for summertime mountain singletrack riding though. I haven't used it for straight moto but I've used it enough to know I probably wouldn't like it much for that.

Take that for what it's worth, but I'd probably go for a traditional size front tire for all around use.

I also think that Cheater rear is gonna feel a little wobbly/wollowy on the track, under real hard cornering, accelerating out of berms etc.

Both of the tires are known to be great for their intended purposes but if you ride aggressively on the track and need a set to "do it all" I'd go for a Michelin Starcross 5 Medium in the Front and Starcross 5 Soft in the rear. I ride a lot in North Idaho, which is similar dirt/terrain to Western OR/WA, and those tires are excellent for all around use. I also find Michelin holds traction better than others once the knobs are a little rounded.

Your mileage may vary Wink
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There’s a at81 gummy also
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LungButter wrote:
I have the Shinko version of the Fatty front and I hate the way it feels for 3rd gear+ and "more aggressive" riding. Seems to have...
I have the Shinko version of the Fatty front and I hate the way it feels for 3rd gear+ and "more aggressive" riding. Seems to have a tendency to want to climb out of ruts. It did work great in the roots and rocks for summertime mountain singletrack riding though. I haven't used it for straight moto but I've used it enough to know I probably wouldn't like it much for that.

Take that for what it's worth, but I'd probably go for a traditional size front tire for all around use.

I also think that Cheater rear is gonna feel a little wobbly/wollowy on the track, under real hard cornering, accelerating out of berms etc.

Both of the tires are known to be great for their intended purposes but if you ride aggressively on the track and need a set to "do it all" I'd go for a Michelin Starcross 5 Medium in the Front and Starcross 5 Soft in the rear. I ride a lot in North Idaho, which is similar dirt/terrain to Western OR/WA, and those tires are excellent for all around use. I also find Michelin holds traction better than others once the knobs are a little rounded.

Your mileage may vary Wink
I agree on the Michelin’s but I would run the soft front and medium rear.
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Bridgestone M59 front. My go to for woods and decent on tracks in Western Oregon. Pick any soft terrain rear mx tire. Lately I'm partial to the Pirelli Scorpion XC's. Cross's over well to most tracks.

Last year on my 250FX I tried a set of "woods" specific tires, the IRC VE-35 front and VE-33 rear and hated the front with a passion and only marginally liked the rear. I tend to lean on the mx side of riding but still love sweet single track, but my riding style offroad is definitely aggressive and push into corners. The front was just so squirmy and would react differently depending on the corner. Straight line over rocks/roots was ok.
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basslips wrote:
Bridgestone M59 front. My go to for woods and decent on tracks in Western Oregon. Pick any soft terrain rear mx tire. Lately I'm partial to...
Bridgestone M59 front. My go to for woods and decent on tracks in Western Oregon. Pick any soft terrain rear mx tire. Lately I'm partial to the Pirelli Scorpion XC's. Cross's over well to most tracks.

Last year on my 250FX I tried a set of "woods" specific tires, the IRC VE-35 front and VE-33 rear and hated the front with a passion and only marginally liked the rear. I tend to lean on the mx side of riding but still love sweet single track, but my riding style offroad is definitely aggressive and push into corners. The front was just so squirmy and would react differently depending on the corner. Straight line over rocks/roots was ok.
I just tried a Pirelli XC mid soft this week and at least on my yard track it was very predictable. How is it in sand/mud and climbing hills?
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They do fine all around in my opinion. Where I typically use them is more wet/slick hardpan to loamy with plenty of roots. Just ordered a new set for a race next weekend. GP style race in the woods around Washougal and I'm guessing sections of the track thrown in.
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basslips wrote:
They do fine all around in my opinion. Where I typically use them is more wet/slick hardpan to loamy with plenty of roots. Just ordered a...
They do fine all around in my opinion. Where I typically use them is more wet/slick hardpan to loamy with plenty of roots. Just ordered a new set for a race next weekend. GP style race in the woods around Washougal and I'm guessing sections of the track thrown in.
Have you ever tried the xc front tire? How does the rear compare in your conditions to mx33 or at81?
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Last year I ran the Shinko Fatty and the 525 on the rear and liked it. I only ride off road. The only issue I had on the front is it likes to climb out of dry rutted terrain. A lot of the off road races here in Texas get that way especially in the summer months.Went to the IRC IX09 front and rear and it was great in the tight woods but HORRIBLE for racing. After the 1st race the tires were getting worn and braking in turns was a nightmare. I should have known better. Next will be the M 59 front and who knows on the rear for racing. Have an extra set of wheels.
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No opinion on fronts but I have a Shinto cheater on my rm that I off-road with ( sand, slick rock, normal rock, trees) and I also MOTO it on occasion and it awesome off-road and actually does good on the MOTO track…

Ps it’s a 18in
11/21/2021 4:57pm
Mx33 on the front and an AT81EX on the rear. Tusk RECON rear is also something to consider. It's a decent single-track tire for the price.
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M59 on the front. I have yet to find anything that gets close. The Goldentyre 216AA Fatty is also a very good tire but I thing the M59 handles better overall.

On the rear any of the new gen stiffer carcass gummies are good. Right now I have a Shinko 525 Cheater and IRC VE33 gummy installed. On the shelf is a Dunlop AT81EX and a Kenda Ibex.

I am not a fan of gummy soft carcass tires like the Goldentyre 216 Gummy. They are just too squirmy when the pace picks up.

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