Back to the Future, E-Bikes- 3 Moto's or Pit Stops?

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Triple Crowns and Loretta's already do 3 moto's. 3 Moto's was where it all started. Amateurs aren't up for long moto's anyway.

Pit stops would be awesome, the teams get involved and track position and strategy would be incorporated. It would likely be chaotic at local events. It would involve enforcement. You could make gasoline bikes change the rear wheel to keep it even. Dunlop would love it.
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By the time we are racing E's at that level, they will be able to go 30+ in my opinion. There will be a fixed, non adjustable current limiter set by the promoters to keep power equal and reasonable and battery tech will not be an issue...

JMHO.
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Johnny Depp 8/22/2021 9:50am
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Press516 wrote:
By the time we are racing E's at that level, they will be able to go 30+ in my opinion. There will be a fixed, non...
By the time we are racing E's at that level, they will be able to go 30+ in my opinion. There will be a fixed, non adjustable current limiter set by the promoters to keep power equal and reasonable and battery tech will not be an issue...

JMHO.
The time is 5 years ago. Racing breeds development. Inclusion is needed, along with an open class. Team Apple vs. Google vs. Amazon anyone? The last thing we need is promoter's telling us how to restrict or build e-bikes.
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Johnny Depp 8/23/2021 8:19am
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4t’s came about due to the threat of 2t’s being outlawed by the EPA. Never happened, but the rules stuck. Now, with the threat of ice engines being outlawed, and every automobile manufacturer rushing to produce electric vehicles, curious that this isn’t a priority?
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Dude, ease up on the topic-making, every fleeting thought that passes through your head doesn't have to end up on Vital
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Johnny Depp 8/23/2021 8:50am
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Dude, ease up on the topic-making, every fleeting thought that passes through your head doesn't have to end up on Vital
The future is coming. Plans for it are long overdue.

You can always read here about other subjects, what bike retired champs are riding, the colorways of the newest kits and old reruns of classic races and the newest decals for the "new" models.
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Press516 wrote:
By the time we are racing E's at that level, they will be able to go 30+ in my opinion. There will be a fixed, non...
By the time we are racing E's at that level, they will be able to go 30+ in my opinion. There will be a fixed, non adjustable current limiter set by the promoters to keep power equal and reasonable and battery tech will not be an issue...

JMHO.
... current limiter...... you limit my current, I'll increase voltage.... and btw.... you ever try to current limit a bl motor? Hehehe .... that I wanna see, other than a Fuze that is....
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Johnny Depp 8/23/2021 11:26am
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Anybody want to talk about solutions? Pro's and con's on the 3 moto's or pit stops?
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I think the future should be
. 250 SX is full time Championship class
.ebikes are the new "feeder"class
. restrictor in either intake or exhaust of 450's.
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Johnny Depp 8/23/2021 11:29am
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I think the future should be . 250 SX is full time Championship class .ebikes are the new "feeder"class . restrictor in either intake or exhaust...
I think the future should be
. 250 SX is full time Championship class
.ebikes are the new "feeder"class
. restrictor in either intake or exhaust of 450's.
There we go, some possible solutions. I think the restrictor idea might fit the feeder class better. The problem with 250's is cost and fat guys.
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queen of spodes 8/23/2021 11:41am
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Anybody want to talk about solutions? Pro's and con's on the 3 moto's or pit stops?
I feel both are dumb.

What's dumber is not opening up pro MX/SX to battery powered motocross bikes. Alta was a disruptive force while they were around. Had that been Yamaha 20 years ago, rules were quickly changed to allow their new tech 4-stroke.

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Johnny Depp wrote:
Anybody want to talk about solutions? Pro's and con's on the 3 moto's or pit stops?
Solutions imply problems. There really isn’t a defined problem, so the notion that you are discussing solutions is silly at best.
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Johnny Depp 8/23/2021 12:59pm
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Anybody want to talk about solutions? Pro's and con's on the 3 moto's or pit stops?
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Solutions imply problems. There really isn’t a defined problem, so the notion that you are discussing solutions is silly at best.
It's nice to know that nobody in Moto is falling for the new green deal or global warming. Most industries are falling all over themselves trying to kiss ass. Surprising their is no fear of being outlawed like the 2t's were supposed to be.
The problem is e-bikes can't finish a race.
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Johnny Depp 9/6/2021 9:36am
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A. 3 20 minute moto's with battery swaps in between would immediately move E-bikes into the competitive pro fields.

B. 30 minute moto's with a mandatory pit stop for all would immediately raise the bar in entertainment, and possibly allow e-bikes a chance.

IMHO B is a better choice to grow the sport. The strategery alone would keep fans from falling asleep with runaway victories.
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Electric is better with a cool down period for the electronics..... imo.... maybe three 20 minute motos with an hr in between for charging.... on the pro level, they will run a new pack every race and just switch them out (packs are 4 digits, doubt the privateers will have many if any spares)
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Pit stops for mx, the shittiest idea I’ve ever heard.
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seth505 wrote:
Pit stops for mx, the shittiest idea I’ve ever heard.
Did he really just revive his own thread by responding to himself…
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DonM wrote:
Did he really just revive his own thread by responding to himself…
The ability for E-bikes to finish races came up in the Alta thread. Directly related.

Are you gonna stand there with your mouth open, or are you gonna say something?
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seth505 wrote:
Pit stops for mx, the shittiest idea I’ve ever heard.
DonM wrote:
Did he really just revive his own thread by responding to himself…
Yes, 8/23 to 9/6

Nice Catch!

...and bumped it again! Maybe it will die now.

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GaryC1 wrote:
Dude, ease up on the topic-making, every fleeting thought that passes through your head doesn't have to end up on Vital
^This.
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Electric is better with a cool down period for the electronics..... imo.... maybe three 20 minute motos with an hr in between for charging.... on the...
Electric is better with a cool down period for the electronics..... imo.... maybe three 20 minute motos with an hr in between for charging.... on the pro level, they will run a new pack every race and just switch them out (packs are 4 digits, doubt the privateers will have many if any spares)
Exactly. I expect if rule changes were made, we'd see production e-bikes within a year, because this is within their current capability range.
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According to captain sparrow riders will also be able to turn pro at 11 and beta is the best bike ever. Any thread this guy puts out is like reading an article out of MAD magazine. Very odd to revive one of your old threads as well…
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xrmark wrote:
According to captain sparrow riders will also be able to turn pro at 11 and beta is the best bike ever. Any thread this guy puts...
According to captain sparrow riders will also be able to turn pro at 11 and beta is the best bike ever. Any thread this guy puts out is like reading an article out of MAD magazine. Very odd to revive one of your old threads as well…
Thanks for your thoughtful insight on the future of the sport. E-bike haters are gonna hate.
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I don't think we will see any changes in the rules. I also don't think that e-bikes will be viable for consumers until you can get almost an hour of runtime, and they weigh about the same as (or handle as well as) current bikes.

When I go ride, I do a 35 minute moto, break for 30-40, then another 35 minute moto. I want an e-bike really bad, mostly because of the ease of maintenance. But if it does not perform at least as well as my current ICE, and/or cannot handle those time-frames, I am out.
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 8:13am
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I don't think we will see any changes in the rules. I also don't think that e-bikes will be viable for consumers until you can get...
I don't think we will see any changes in the rules. I also don't think that e-bikes will be viable for consumers until you can get almost an hour of runtime, and they weigh about the same as (or handle as well as) current bikes.

When I go ride, I do a 35 minute moto, break for 30-40, then another 35 minute moto. I want an e-bike really bad, mostly because of the ease of maintenance. But if it does not perform at least as well as my current ICE, and/or cannot handle those time-frames, I am out.
Rule changes are the only way E-bikes will ever be in the Pro ranks. The question is how far do they go? Big Red is in the driver's seat...
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queen of spodes 9/7/2021 11:20am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Thanks for your thoughtful insight on the future of the sport. E-bike haters are gonna hate.
Its not that that people hate e-bikes its that they are suggesting you to like chill on starting new topics and bumping old topics so frequently.

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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 11:56am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Thanks for your thoughtful insight on the future of the sport. E-bike haters are gonna hate.
queen of spodes wrote:
Its not that that people hate e-bikes its that they are suggesting you to like chill on starting new topics and bumping old topics so frequently.

Oh, sorry I thought this was a forum about Moto?
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 12:46pm
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Anybody want to talk about solutions? Pro's and con's on the 3 moto's or pit stops?
queen of spodes wrote:
I feel both are dumb. What's dumber is not opening up pro MX/SX to battery powered motocross bikes. Alta was a disruptive force while they were...
I feel both are dumb.

What's dumber is not opening up pro MX/SX to battery powered motocross bikes. Alta was a disruptive force while they were around. Had that been Yamaha 20 years ago, rules were quickly changed to allow their new tech 4-stroke.

You made a nice comment in the post earlier, so it looks like you got some value out of your click.
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 12:47pm
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xrmark wrote:
According to captain sparrow riders will also be able to turn pro at 11 and beta is the best bike ever. Any thread this guy puts...
According to captain sparrow riders will also be able to turn pro at 11 and beta is the best bike ever. Any thread this guy puts out is like reading an article out of MAD magazine. Very odd to revive one of your old threads as well…
Yet here you are again.
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 12:48pm
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seth505 wrote:
Pit stops for mx, the shittiest idea I’ve ever heard.
Can I assume that means there is a yes vote for three Moto’s?
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seth505 wrote:
Pit stops for mx, the shittiest idea I’ve ever heard.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Can I assume that means there is a yes vote for three Moto’s?
Not a yes vote but it is not batshit crazy IMO. The 3 motos in sx triple crowns are a fun change.
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