Why can't we have this?

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Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 2:48pm
Just finished watching the Austria Moto GP. That's how a professional broadcast look like. All the insight you get on the screen feels like an elite sport (as motocross is).

Live onboard action, with heart rate data:


Speed and lean angle data:


Separatre screen on the position chart with rear view of each Rider:


First person onboard camera:


I want this for the great outdoors. One can dream right?
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Zycki11 8/15/2021 6:11pm
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The body or bike cameras simply won’t work the same. Way too many variables with the bumps, ruts, etc.

One MAJOR issue I have is all the BS fluff between the motos that could be used for more interviews, or replays for during the moto that weren’t captured on the live camera.

Honestly, the rouse needs an update. If it wasn’t for great announcing from Weege and GL the whole thing would be a complete mess. Who does the audio? I love watching motos and barely being able to hear a motorcycle with 450cc’s cranking out 60+Hp. The Canadians do a marvelous job of audio and production with I’m sure a much smaller budget
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A few years ago they showed the racers heart rate during a supercross…thought that was cool. Haven’t seen it since..

Would also like to see some telemetry and this is easily possible..(speed, rpm, g-force etc.).

Agree they could do a lot more onboard type data/video during a moto.
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FreshTopEnd 8/15/2021 6:17pm
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Because Dorna has astronomically more money to pay for it, and way more eyes are on it.

But that is the gold standard across the board for production.
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Because they treat it like a drama tv show instead of a Motorsport.
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Harv379 8/15/2021 9:31pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Because they treat it like a drama tv show instead of a Motorsport.
Amen! It has been really bad this year, I noticed it in SX too.
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KMC440 8/15/2021 10:19pm
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Instead of "I spoke with ... and he/she said bla bla ..." Why not have a camera and mic showing (small screen) the person actually answering the question.
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scott_nz 8/15/2021 11:55pm
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I’d be happy just to be able to buy it with out a vpn
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Alan Dove 8/15/2021 11:59pm
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Heart and lean angles don't really add anything. Onboard shots are far easier on bikes which are prototypes and thus have to have 'mounting' points built into them. Plus they aren't racing them on bumpy dirt, but smooth surfaces. Onboards would be nice, but it's harder than you think for dirt bikes.

Really the formula for good coverage hasn't changes. Good directors with good camera operators is all you need.
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They are not showing pre recorded BS during racing..
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I actually think the heart rate thing might be interesting. It’d provide some insight into tactics; e.g. when someone’s pushing vs cruising.
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Motofinne 8/16/2021 5:08am
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They (Weege & GL) literally can't even watch segment times on hot laps in qualifying to determine if a rider is improving or not.

Lets start with the very, very basics first shall we?
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ti473 8/16/2021 6:07am
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CPR wrote:
I actually think the heart rate thing might be interesting. It’d provide some insight into tactics; e.g. when someone’s pushing vs cruising.
Yes and no, as heart rate is highly variable between people, you would have to know each rider's lactate threshold to get anything meaningful out of it.
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MDana87 8/16/2021 6:15am
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Would have loved to see the Austrian MotoGP race but it in the states it was preempted by NASCrap running over an hour long. We then got to see the lead-up to the grid and then it got clipped by some golf tournament. So, in the states it sucked.
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mxtech1 8/16/2021 7:59am
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If you want to get technical about this, it would be illegal according to the AMA rule book because data is not permitted to be streamed from the bike during a race. Data can only be captured and stored for post-race retrieval. For the broadcast crew to receive this kind of data, they would need data connectivity to the bike/rider in live time to be able to turn the data outputs into graphics to the display broadcast.

F1 and MotoGP are different because data streams are permitted to the pit crew. I'm assuming some of this data that the pit crew receives is then passed on and/or shared with the broadcast team for data sharing.

The other big thing is MONEY. It would take more equipment, more sensors, more people to be able enhance the broadcast package. You would need to enhance the WiFi systems at tracks to support connectivity requirements. There's a laundry list of things that would have to happen before this is even possible.

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hubbardmx50 8/16/2021 9:06am
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They should go back to interviewing the mechanics on specific bike setup for each track like they did in the early 2000’s. Ricky’s old mechanic Chad Watts was on TV all the time
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Falcon 8/16/2021 9:30am
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The onboard view would be much different for MX. Remember, the road race guys don't move around as much, and their head is often low over the clip-ons (handlebars.) In MX, that view would look a lot more like someone's chest, and often his nuts. Not what they really want to show on television. Grinning

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deluxeman 8/16/2021 1:04pm
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We could have all that if NBC/MavTV thought it would make them more money, But we are a small niche sport, so we will get nothing and be happy, until there is a payoff to add more of this stuff. NBC/MavTV enjoy puff pieces and overhyped drama in lieu of any real technical info.

MotoGP is really the pinnacle of the Motorcycle universe as far as broadcasts go. Great shots, good onboard footage and good info like lap times, gaps between bikes. The telemetry stuff is pretty cool, sometimes that show speed, lean angle, throttle opening that sort of stuff. It just makes the broadcast more interactive.

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Ace Dudemeister 8/16/2021 2:48pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Because Dorna has astronomically more money to pay for it, and way more eyes are on it. But that is the gold standard across the board...
Because Dorna has astronomically more money to pay for it, and way more eyes are on it.

But that is the gold standard across the board for production.
Because even in the crappiest countries, every moped rider can emulate VR46. Even though MOTOGP is small compared to F1, it is massive compared to motocross/ supercross and Dorna makes more than $2.50 a race.
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CPR 8/16/2021 3:51pm
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CPR wrote:
I actually think the heart rate thing might be interesting. It’d provide some insight into tactics; e.g. when someone’s pushing vs cruising.
ti473 wrote:
Yes and no, as heart rate is highly variable between people, you would have to know each rider's lactate threshold to get anything meaningful out of...
Yes and no, as heart rate is highly variable between people, you would have to know each rider's lactate threshold to get anything meaningful out of it.
I didn’t mean that level of detail, just spikes/ drop offs/ plateaus, or how it compares to laps previous etc. That would give an indication of pushing vs cruising. Hell it’d also be entertaining to see spikes when riders have a moment or are battling.
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